STRIKE OVER?

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    The CBA was doomed the second the NHLPA hired Donald Fehr.




    I started a thread back then , didn't like it. I love when he mentions we offered to play under the old CBA while negociating.  Yes good idea, worked out great in baseball.  I recall how my Expos were having a dream season and in the middle of it they pulled the plug. 

     



    And they had quite the dream team too didn't they! I was choked over that too. I'm a Red Sox fan, but I thought it was criminal to what they did to the PO's that year.




    I remember Larry Walker was having quite a year..

     
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    All I want for Christmas is an NHL league !!!  ( that plays hockey )   Think Santa is listening ? Or am I getting a lump of coal ?



    You are a fan Stuke that supports the NHL so you don't get coal. I do know, however, a couple of people who most certainly should get more than coal.

     
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    As a diehard Expo's fan, I still haven't gotten over that.




    Hence my hate for Fehr ! 

     
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    don't read too much into tghe voicemail message,  NHL (Daly or Bettman) called and of course it was during Donald's presser, maybe Steve should have answered ?   It's all a script . Besides do we really know what was said on the voicemail ?



    "Union special counsel Steve Fehr was stunned by the NHL's quick rejection of the players offer. He missed Daly's call that came during Donald Fehr's initial news conference.

     

    " Not only is it unusual, I would be hard-pressed to think of anything comparable in my experience," he said of the instant rejection. "

    Pierre LeBrun @Real_ESPNLeBrun
    "Fehr says NHL left a voicemail message saying NHLPA counter wasn't acceptable. No need to stick around today or Friday."

     

    What exactly were you looking for ? to catch a lie ?




    Huh ?

    I think Fehr added to the drama and it wasn't the first time he got a voicemail message but this time he made it public.  The guy is on an agenda.

    All we know is all communication is by voicemail because Fehr doesn't want to answer their calls .   Point is we don't know if that was the only way they tried contacting him or his brother Steve but only what Donald Fehr leads us to believe .  Don't read too much into what D Fehr said and does. Proof was the whole fiasco with his press conference.  It's a Joke.

     

     

     
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    Once the NHL heard Fehr at his news conference saying a deal was agreed to they had to call him as quickly as possible to set the record straight before it hit the mainstream media. Fehr of course had no intention of answering the phone and didn't want anyone else answering it either. When the whole agreement was contingent on the NHLPA agreeing to the 3 provisions that the NHL asked for and the NHLPA didn't answer, how did Fehr figure he had an agreement? Now the players are left wondering how the deal fell apart ? These guys were just involved in 20 hours of meetings with the owners and they don't know how the deal fell apart ? When Fehr got involved, it seems to me thats when things went south. The players might figure that out next summer.

     
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  7. You have chosen to ignore posts from BsLegion. Show BsLegion's posts

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    I don't think Dustin Penner is worried about the strike , he's joined Conan O'Brien.  This is enough to swaye me to the playr side.

    see

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEPqAyZ3dRM

     

     
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    " For all the drama that played out this week, lost in the theatrics was this little fact: the NHL and NHLPA got much closer on an agreement.

    Whether or not the emotion gets in the way of a deal, well, that I cant predict. But purely from a framework basis, this deal is nearly there.

    They have essentially agreed on revenue sharing among teams, the players pension issues and the make-whole provision.

    That leaves three key issues unresolved:

    1. CBA Term. The league wants a 10-year deal (with a mutual option after eight years); the union responded with eight years with an option after Year 6. To me this is a red herring. It's not a deal breaker. Frankly, I think most players dont really care about this one. One player even suggested to me Friday that this was more a Donald Fehr issue than a player issue. The reason the league needs to get 10 years is that otherwise it wont shell out $300 million in make-whole money. For the owners to pay that money outside the system, they need to guarantee themselves more years at a true 50-50 split of hockey-related revenues. Obviously, for the first few years of the CBA, paying out $300 million means in reality its not 50-50 yet. On this issue, I predict the players will be willing to bend.

    2. Contract term limits. The league proposes five-year limits (seven years if its your own player) while the players countered with eight years. Deputy commissioner Bill Daly said this was a hill they were willing to die on, that's how important the owners feel about getting a five-year limit on contracts. The reasoning for that is long-term deals got out of control during the last CBA (that would be owners messing up their own system, by the way) and the league wants to rein in the kind of financial commitments that exist right now all over the league in long-term deals. But the players feel just as strongly that five-year limit is unacceptable, it removes way too much flexibility from the system, the players argue. " I guess Bill Daly hill will be the battleground , " one NHL player told ESPN.com Friday. So where is the middle ground in the battleground? Can the league live with six years instead? Can the players live with that? This will be the final, toughest hurdle to a new CBA. But I think for a deal to get done, its the league and owners who have to move a little here on this one.

    3. No compliance buyouts or caps on escrow in transition. Don Fehr brought up this up this week, a desire to either limit escrow early on in the new CBA and allow teams to buy out players but not have that payment count against the salary cap. The league vehemently opposes this because its money outside the system. As one league source said Friday, they're already willing to shell out $300 million in "make-whole" outside the system, theyre not going to shell out more. Instead, the league believes that allowing teams to exceed the salary cap for the first 12 months of the CBA allows enough time for teams to get under the cap eventually and adjust to the new system. I'm not sure what Fehr angle is here. I mean, the whole point of make-whole is to alleviate the financial pressure the players will feel by going from 57 percent of HRR down to 50. Truth be told, some owners were furious when they found out the league offered $300 million this week. Its a number every owner is comfortable with. Why Fehr needs other transition avenues on top of make-whole seems a bit of a reach to me.

    The skinny: Commissioner Gary Bettman said the offer was off the table, but the reality is, if the players next week are willing to play ball with what the league proposed, that deal is still available. What the players have to figure out for themselves is whether waiting this out longer will help them get more. There's no question the patience that Fehr has preached to his membership has paid off, the best example being the owners moving from $211 million to $300 million in make-whole. But at some point you have to know when you've played this out long enough. I believe that time has come. If I'm a player, I push hard to get back to the table next week and work with the league on its last offer. If the players do that, this lockout ends. "

     

    Pierre Lebrun has it right, a deal is close but the owners won't budge on a few issues. I don't belive Bettman for a second that the "make whole" is now gone.

     
  9. You have chosen to ignore posts from BsLegion. Show BsLegion's posts

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    Make whole cannot be gone otherwise the season is gone. I also was shocked he said that. If that's a scare tactic , it failed and one of the worst bluffs .  Now what ?  If it's back on the table the NHL will look very vulnerable and the wolves will come biting.

     
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    Re: STRIKE OVER?

    In response to kelvana33's comment:

    In response to NeelyOrrBourque's comment:

    In response to BsLegion's comment:

    In response to jalvis's comment:

    The CBA was doomed the second the NHLPA hired Donald Fehr.




    I started a thread back then , didn't like it. I love when he mentions we offered to play under the old CBA while negociating.  Yes good idea, worked out great in baseball.  I recall how my Expos were having a dream season and in the middle of it they pulled the plug. 

     



    And they had quite the dream team too didn't they! I was choked over that too. I'm a Red Sox fan, but I thought it was criminal to what they did to the PO's that year.




    I remember Larry Walker was having quite a year..



    As was Moses Alou, Pedro, John Wetland, Ken Hill, Marquis Grissom , Cliff Floyd & Mike Lansing. Whether they would've won or not is unknown. You need to play the games, but that team was primed for a championship. 

     
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    This just in:

    http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/09/daly-nhl-union-looking-resume-negotiations-this-week/

     

    Hopefully we'll be back to talking about fribbles and forth line snipers by this time next week.

     
  12. You have chosen to ignore posts from 50belowzero. Show 50belowzero's posts

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    Steve Burton is reporting that he's heard from a reliable "source" that there will be NFL football today. Am still checking into his "sources" for accuracy.

     
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    Steve Burton is reporting that he's heard from a reliable "source" that there will be NFL football today. Am still checking into his "sources" for accuracy.




    I also believe has a reliable "source" that the NFL will be playing in Canada today...

    His source is the TV guide.

     
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