Stuart's Value?

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    Stuart's Value?

    I was wondering what Stuart can be expected to fetch.  My guess is a 4th Rd pick or a mid level prospect.  The midlevel prospect would not have value exceeding Bartkowski when we got him last year.  It does seem he is going to go.  Whether it is as a picece of a larger deal or as a move to create cap space for a larger deal, team's are interested so what would YOU be happy with.  All Opinions Welcomed.
     
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    i like stuart alot, i think he is underrated which means his return will be undervalued, 4th round seems pretty low though, i would hope a 2nd rounder.  if he goes it should be part of a package, if he stays, he's one slapshot to an ankle away of being in the lineup.
     
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    I don't think Stuart's going anywhere.  Kampfer has seemed to level off and with the team playing much better with a rough and tumble style of play, I think they'll keep him.
     
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    i think seabass is right about him being underrated.  unfortunately for him the kid Mcquaid has come up and made it difficult for CJ to take him out of the lineup.  he plays with heart every night which is something this team lacked for a part of the season.  games are similar.  i think he will be a package for something more than a pick in return.  if you trade him for a pick you are suddenly shorthanded on defense if someone goes down
     
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    [QUOTE]I don't think Stuart's going anywhere.  Kampfer has seemed to level off and with the team playing much better with a rough and tumble style of play, I think they'll keep him.
    Posted by hangnail[/QUOTE]

    What games have you watched that shows Kampfer has "leveled off".  kid has looked great for what he is...a kid
     
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    I doubt Stuart will be trade for picks because he is a good depth defenseman.  If he gets traded it will be in a deal for the illusive PMD.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Stuart's Value? : What games have you watched that shows Kampfer has "leveled off".  kid has looked great for what he is...a kid
    Posted by bostondynNASTY[/QUOTE]

    Totally agree.

    I believe Stuart...or someone else currently playing D will be moved before the deadline. Scratching him every game I don't believe will continue. Something has to give...
     
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    [QUOTE]i like stuart alot, i think he is underrated which means his return will be undervalued, 4th round seems pretty low though, i would hope a 2nd rounder.  if he goes it should be part of a package, if he stays, he's one slapshot to an ankle away of being in the lineup.
    Posted by Seabasshole[/QUOTE]


    This year Stuart has raised my perceived ceiling of his overall ability.  I used to think he would max out as a number 4 with good leadership.  I believe he has improved his puck retrieval and decision making on the breakout.  I think this means someday he may approack Seidenberg like value, being a more physical player who is not as involved offensively.  I'm saying it's possible he becomes a solid No. 2 someday.  I still believe he should be moved if you believe he is currently between 5-7 on your depth chart.  Alot of guys have potential but right now would be a good time to trade potential for current impact.  The difference between a 4 Million dollar pickup and a 5.4 million dollar pickup is a substantial difference.  If we could send him to Providence and use that cap space then great, but I think at this point 1.4 million on a guy who is not playing over McQuaid right now indicates to me our resources could be allocated better.

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    To be clear I like Stuart and I believe he is an asset.  If the B's felt that they could better maximize these assets by moving McQuaid or Boychuck, I would be fine with that depending on the return.  Certainly not trying to push Stuart out the door.  If he does get traded it will be the worst I've felt for a Bruin on the way out since Jumbo Joe was reportedly heartbroken years ago.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Stuart's Value? : What games have you watched that shows Kampfer has "leveled off".  kid has looked great for what he is...a kid
    Posted by bostondynNASTY[/QUOTE]

    He seemed to fall down a lot vs. the Habs and doesn't bring any toughness whatsoever.  If that is the type of game that the B's are going to play and be successful at, Stewie fits better than Kampfer.  Not that I don't like the kid, I do, but it all depends on the style of play that the team is going to play.
     
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    An upcoming UFA that is sitting in the press box is not an asset.  Was or is Paille an asset? All Stuart is doing is eating up precious cap space.  Don't get me wrong, I like Stuart's game as 5/6 Dman but he certainly isn't going to fetch anything near a 2nd round pick.  Not even close.  If he is dealt it will only be as part of a package in a fairly major deal.
     
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    Stuart and/or Boychuck will be moved along with a 1st rd PICK if Chia can negotiate for a top young defenseman like Seabrook, Bogosian, Weber, Johnson. Stuart is a solid defenseman in a 3/4 role and like so many Boston players is devalued by the comments on these threads.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Stuart's Value? : He seemed to fall down a lot vs. the Habs and doesn't bring any toughness whatsoever.  If that is the type of game that the B's are going to play and be successful at, Stewie fits better than Kampfer.  Not that I don't like the kid, I do, but it all depends on the style of play that the team is going to play.
    Posted by hangnail[/QUOTE]

    The falling may have been apart of the "extra" stick work that the Habs like to use.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Stuart's Value? : The falling may have been apart of the "extra" stick work that the Habs like to use.
    Posted by bostondynNASTY[/QUOTE]

    Good point!
     
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    Our d men are showing up and the depth is nothing to laugh about. Take a look at  Montreal with no tough d men Gill was very busy player on Thursday, it look like Gill was telling PK to shut up your killing me.

    Look at Mtl. for ie no d no team Markov and Jorges will be miss the next 2 months.

    Cool Hand Chara, Krafty Kampfer, Sudden Impact Siedenberg , Fiesty Ference, Big Bad Boychuk, Spartan Stuart, Maximum McQuaid. 5 out 7 will not back from a fight. The Stuart factor is it just extra depth for our defense.The best part is this is still a young defense core with experience.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Stuart's Value? : He seemed to fall down a lot vs. the Habs and doesn't bring any toughness whatsoever.  If that is the type of game that the B's are going to play and be successful at, Stewie fits better than Kampfer.  Not that I don't like the kid, I do, but it all depends on the style of play that the team is going to play.
    Posted by hangnail[/QUOTE]

    I believe Kampfer's minutes will be decreased come crunch time and during the playoffs.  I do fully expect him to be on the team though as a No 5/6.  Even if we can acquire a veteran PMD I think his offensive skill is enough to keep him as a PP specialist and a guy who's minutes increase when you open up the game due to a 2 goal deficit or more.   In 1 goal games particularly when we have the lead I think he is currently too deficient defensively to be counted on like he is now, but IMO there is no chance Stuart bumps him from the lineup. 
     
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    [QUOTE]An upcoming UFA that is sitting in the press box is not an asset.  Was or is Paille an asset? All Stuart is doing is eating up precious cap space.  Don't get me wrong, I like Stuart's game as 5/6 Dman but he certainly isn't going to fetch anything near a 2nd round pick.  Not even close.  If he is dealt it will only be as part of a package in a fairly major deal.
    Posted by derrickmorin[/QUOTE]


    I think an assett is anything that is worth more then you are paying to keep it around.  I would say that the mere fact that it is so widely reported that teams are interested in trading for Stuart implies that he is an assett.  If he is traded away along with a pick in order to free cap space then I will come back and agree with your assessment, but if someone is willing to give us something of value to get him, then I believe by definition he would be an asset. 

    Is Paille an asset, IDK, I mean I don't think he is a negative given his cap number but certainly noone is sending you anything to get him.  The guy who you could really make a case on depite his play in the last game is Ryder, I firmly believe that we will have to give up an asset if we choose to rid ourselves of his salary, unless management is willing to pay him in order to send him to Providence.  Either way I think you can make a case that he and Paille are the only guys on the team  who are not assets.
     
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    Re: Stuart's Value?

    not sure i'd go as far as calling kampfer a pp specialist.  their pp isnt exactly thriving.
     
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    Re: Stuart's Value?

    good point seabass end of conversation.
     
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    If Hamill and Caron are being showcased for possible deals, how come Stuart is not? If other team's scouts are evaluating our players on the ice, how do they evaluate Stuart? I don't think Stuart is going. Wheeler and Ference for Erik Johnson and a 1st or 2nd.
     
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    [QUOTE]If Hamill and Caron are being showcased for possible deals, how come Stuart is not? If other team's scouts are evaluating our players on the ice, how do they evaluate Stuart? I don't think Stuart is going. Wheeler and Ference for Erik Johnson and a 1st or 2nd.
    Posted by JLEO25[/QUOTE]

    Hey newbie, good point, This is one of the reasons I was wondering if it might be McQuaid on the move.  It's just that all of the speculation, and that's all it is, is pointing to Stuart.
     
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    you want erik johnson AND a first rounder for wheeler and ference!!??  maybe they'll throw in Backes for the hell of it.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Stuart's Value? : Hey newbie, good point, This is one of the reasons I was wondering if it might be McQuaid on the move.  It's just that all of the speculation, and that's all it is, is pointing to Stuart.
    Posted by RickyHussle[/QUOTE]


     I seriously doubt McQ is on the move at less than 1/2 Stuarts cap hit. He plays a very very similar game with slightly more offensive upside and fights more.(+ Yelling "Lone wolf AWOOOOOOOOO" is awesome)

    He's the reason Stuart is expendable.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Stuart's Value? : I think an assett is anything that is worth more then you are paying to keep it around.  I would say that the mere fact that it is so widely reported that teams are interested in trading for Stuart implies that he is an assett.  If he is traded away along with a pick in order to free cap space then I will come back and agree with your assessment, but if someone is willing to give us something of value to get him, then I believe by definition he would be an asset.  Is Paille an asset, IDK, I mean I don't think he is a negative given his cap number but certainly noone is sending you anything to get him.  The guy who you could really make a case on depite his play in the last game is Ryder, I firmly believe that we will have to give up an asset if we choose to rid ourselves of his salary, unless management is willing to pay him in order to send him to Providence.  Either way I think you can make a case that he and Paille are the only guys on the team  who are not assets.
    Posted by RickyHussle[/QUOTE]

    People can call me up about my wifes '98 Ford Escort and ask to buy it but that doesn't mean it's worth anything.  

    The guys that the Bruins might be trading for would be considered assets.  I don't see Stuart on any 'top players available' lists. Right now, Stuart is a spare part and nothing more IMO.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Stuart's Value? : People can call me up about my wifes '98 Ford Escort and ask to buy it but that doesn't mean it's worth anything.   The guys that the Bruins might be trading for would be considered assets.  I don't see Stuart on any 'top players available' lists. Right now, Stuart is a spare part and nothing more IMO.
    Posted by derrickmorin[/QUOTE]

    I think you are taking more out of the term asset then I offered.  He can cerainly be an asset without being on any 'top players available' lists.  I don't believe he is a top commodity I just don't think that his contract makes him undesirable by any means.  I think placing a 4th round value or midlevel prospect correlates with that as I think the guys you find on these lists will fetch far more then that.

    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/asset

    as·set

    [as-et] Show IPA
    –noun
    1.
    a useful and desirable thing or quality: Organizational ability is an asset.
    2.
    a single item of ownership having exchange value.

    BTW don't dismiss that car so quickly if people are offering to exchange something of value for it then I think you do indeed have an asset.
     
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    Re: Stuart's Value?

    Unless the Bruins add another D-man Stuart is worth more to the Bruins than the pick we would get for him.  There is no way PC takes the Bruins into the playoff with only 6 NHL D-men with 2 of them being Rookies.
     
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