Re: Subban to win Norris
posted at 6/10/2013 4:19 PM EDT
In response to Fletcher1's comment:
In response to kelvana33's comment:
Shupe, you cant see it but I'm raising my hand up waiting for the high five.
I dont know what everyone is so upset about. He had a terrific year. A big reason they won the division.
Speaking for myself I am not 'upset' at all. I think Subban has become an elite player and can certainly be a game-changer. I don't think he deserves the Norris, for a variety of reasons. One of the reasons is that Zdeno Chara is both a better player and a better defender.
Some of the other reaons:
He's not the best offensive defensmen in the league.
He's not the best defensive defensmen in the league.
He's not the best 'intangibles' defensmen in the league (128th in blocked shots, well below Suter, Chara, Letang).
He's 35th in the league in TOI (well behind Suter, Letang, Chara)
He doesn't even led Hab defensemen in TOI, which means a lot to me.
His team bowed out in the 1st round of the playoffs, to a lower seed.
His antics and behavior are sometimes a distraction and embarassment to his team.
I know how good he can be. He does certain things better than anyone and is a fright to watch play against the Bruins. But I remain totally puzzled as to why people think he is THE best defensmen in the NHL. He isn't.
Do you think every Norris Trophy has been rewarded based on this?
- he was the best offensive dman this year.
- he has improved his def game and isn't Mike Green. I think Girardi or McDonaugh are great defenders. I think Kronwall is a great defender. I think Chara is the best defender.
- I don't want PK laying in front of shots. I want him on the ice. Probably a big reason he doesnt get to kill pims.
- His icetime will increase. He lead all players in the 7 game series against Boston a few yrs back. Once his def improves so will his minutes.
- I agree on his antics.
I'm not saying you Fletch but many on here hate him and I understand why. I just think if you watch him play you appreciate what he does(as you've stated). He's a special talent. I don't think every Norris winner has lead in all the things you have broken down. I don't think he's the best dman in the league. He makes my team Canada team but barely. I do consider him an elite top dman in the league. Many on here don't or didn't.
Dez and I had a friendly war of words going. Black Spidey wins this one but I've lost so many to him I lost count. And on this I agree with Dez more then I did before. I watched every Kings game. Drew is a complete stud. Keith is a complete stud. Chara is the best defender in the world. PK is not these yet. This award says he might be but he isnt.