In response to shuperman's comment:
Wonder if the hart trophy is based on the fwds shtoi or blocks, or hits etc etc. maybe the hart trophy for best fwd should be looked at as well. Pretty sure ovi, crosby and tav dont lead in those stats.
this debate if we bring it back up started with dez and i. I said he was already an elite top end dman. Dez said no way, he hasnt proved anything and the test of time would show us more. I said he would win a norris trophy some day. Dez said no way. It was a good debate back and forth. Now, what i took from that made me really watch closely to players like drew. it made me appreciate drews game a lot more. I already watch dmen closer then any position bc i used to play it, was a stay at home guy who could move ok but was a pk guy who moved the puck and never saw pp time. when i watch a keith or drew play it blows me away the skill and how smooth they make it look.
When i first started paying attention to pk the same thing struck me. Pk in the 2011 playoffs in round 1 against us did it all. He lead all players in ice time, he played every situation and dominated. This combined with his first few yrs totals had me thinking this guy is an elite talent. This year his game took another step fwd bc he can dominate and take over a game. His skating, hitting(borderline-reminds me of kronwall), shooting, passing and skill set really impress me. Take his antics and jersey away for a moment. This guy can be taught to play tight in his own end. Its probably the easiest thing to teach a young dman. Blocking shots again can be taught. One on one battles this guy is gonna win a lot more then he loses bc of his skating which is world class. Phanuef was given as an example. They kinda have similar game in my eyes. Phaneuf has become better in his own end over time. Still not a Girardi but he is still very good.
Ive said my part about pk. World class talent. Im not sure giving him the norris this soon does anything to help his game advance bc of his ego/over confidence. It sure is gonna make him a rich man after the next season. Which i said would happen, sure montreal gm won tat battle. Pk is gonna win the war there. 6million plus? I dont think pk will ever be a leader of a team and when we talk clown he sure is a side show, the rodeo would love him. I love watching his skill set on display.
As an old style protect your house dman Im envious of his ability but in no way do i view him as the leagues best dman. That title is anchored by chara. Drew is my next pick.
Hopefully we are all alive and healthy 5-10 yrs time so we can further this debate.
Cheers to my buddy Dez. You made me open my eyes a bit on a position i think i know pretty well.
Not to be a stickler but I never said that PK would never win a Norris. Our debate centered around whether he deserved to be paid like an elite D man as he was holding out. I'm too lazy to back and look but if you do I think you'll see that I said Subban was a terrific player with possible trophies in his future. I just didn't feel his play up with to that point of his career was worthy of huge money. Him winning the Norris still doesn't change my mind about that. I wonder how happy his teammates are for him?