Sweethands Johnson has to stay

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    Sweethands Johnson has to stay

    The Bruins are guilty of some boneheaded moves in the past, like giving Chris Bourque all kinds of ice time and signing Seguin and some others to monster contracts before they deserve them, and letting Nick Johnson get exposed to waiver draft in order to send him to Providence would be right up there. He's clearly outplayed Caron, Smith, Fraser et al, he's their leading goalscorer, he's got 14 goals in 100 or so games (about what you'd expect of a 3rd liner in today's NHL), decent size, and those sweet hands, so to let him go thru waivers would be to lose him. Then, in 20 games when Reilly Smith is giving his best Chris Bourque imitation, Chia would be saying "Jeez, we need a goalscorer on that 3rd line. Let me trade a second round pick for one". That would be a travesty.

     
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    The Bruins are guilty of some boneheaded moves in the past, like giving Chris Bourque all kinds of ice time and signing Seguin and some others to monster contracts before they deserve them, and letting Nick Johnson get exposed to waiver draft in order to send him to Providence would be right up there. He's clearly outplayed Caron, Smith, Fraser et al, he's their leading goalscorer, he's got 14 goals in 100 or so games (about what you'd expect of a 3rd liner in today's NHL), decent size, and those sweet hands, so to let him go thru waivers would be to lose him. Then, in 20 games when Reilly Smith is giving his best Chris Bourque imitation, Chia would be saying "Jeez, we need a goalscorer on that 3rd line. Let me trade a second round pick for one". That would be a travesty.



    Relax OrrEspoCash....I see the 4 lines as follow :

    Krejci-Looch-Iginla

    Bergeron-March-Erickson

    Kelly -Smith- Soderberg

    Campbell and Spooner (will alternate) - Sweethands- Paille

    ST on the balcony 

     
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    Is that what PC said it would be? Or is that what you advised the lines should be?

     
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    The Bruins are guilty of some boneheaded moves in the past, like giving Chris Bourque all kinds of ice time and signing Seguin and some others to monster contracts before they deserve them, and letting Nick Johnson get exposed to waiver draft in order to send him to Providence would be right up there. He's clearly outplayed Caron, Smith, Fraser et al, he's their leading goalscorer, he's got 14 goals in 100 or so games (about what you'd expect of a 3rd liner in today's NHL), decent size, and those sweet hands, so to let him go thru waivers would be to lose him. Then, in 20 games when Reilly Smith is giving his best Chris Bourque imitation, Chia would be saying "Jeez, we need a goalscorer on that 3rd line. Let me trade a second round pick for one". That would be a travesty.

     




    You're as bad as Stanley for falling in love with a player every season and then crying about your broken heart. How well are your former flames, Colborne and Pouliot doing? Johnson might very well be able to contribute in a spot duty role but only a fool would suggest he's a better player than Smith or that Smith resembles Chris Bourque in any way. Those big scoring numbers that the 27 year old Johnson put up sound eerily similar to the 11 goals in 88 games that the 22 year old Jordan Caron has put up and he's commonly viewed as a disappointment so far. The biggest difference is that unlike Johnson, he didn't play in the ECHL last year. I could go on and on about how long and embarrassing your anti-Chiarelli agenda has become but you make yourself look stupid enough so I'll leave it at that. I anxiously await your childlike response.

     

     
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    Yah because Chiarelli said "jeez" when he raised the cup above his head in 2011. He says that all the time when he watches Morrow, Smith and Fraser around the ice.

    I see no similarities between Bourque and Smith/Fraser's Hockey play. Totally different players.

    PS. You should wait a bit before replying to yourself.

     

     
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    Look, I know nearly everyone (myself included) would like to see some variety of young hotness in the lineup in place of Thornton, but is there any reason to think that the chance of it happening is above 0%?  

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    Look, I know nearly everyon (myself included) would like to see some variety of young hotness in the lineup in place of Thornton, but is there any reason to think that the chance of it happening is above 0%?  

    -- Proud user of Chambraigne; Now with Wiener Scent! --

     




    None that I can think of Dr but I won't be surprised if CJ finally starts dialing back ST's games played this year. He doesn't need to shouldn't dress for 82 games in a season.

     

     
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    Yep it's a nice dream.





     
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    Look, I know nearly everyone (myself included) would like to see some variety of young hotness in the lineup in place of Thornton, but is there any reason to think that the chance of it happening is above 0%?  

    -- Proud user of Chambraigne; Now with Wiener Scent! --



    ST , George Parros , John Scott are the 3 slowest players in the NHL, the difference is Scott still fights, ST looks and skates around like a chicken with no head and Parros wont fight anymore because he has a shoulder's problem....so what do you do with ST and Parros ...answer : keep them on the sidelines thats wehere they are the most effective....we got rid of Pandolfo, The Lemon ...now its time to say good bye to Shawn and tell him how much we liked him and appreciated his services when he was younger ...everything has come to an end and this season is the END for Thornton...ENOUGH IS ENOUGH !

     
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     this season is the END for Thornton...ENOUGH IS ENOUGH !



    If Thornton is extended past the end of this season, I will be shocked.

     
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    The Bruins are guilty of some boneheaded moves in the past, like giving Chris Bourque all kinds of ice time and signing Seguin and some others to monster contracts before they deserve them, and letting Nick Johnson get exposed to waiver draft in order to send him to Providence would be right up there. He's clearly outplayed Caron, Smith, Fraser et al, he's their leading goalscorer, he's got 14 goals in 100 or so games (about what you'd expect of a 3rd liner in today's NHL), decent size, and those sweet hands, so to let him go thru waivers would be to lose him. Then, in 20 games when Reilly Smith is giving his best Chris Bourque imitation, Chia would be saying "Jeez, we need a goalscorer on that 3rd line. Let me trade a second round pick for one". That would be a travesty.



    So many things wrong with this...

    'like giving Chris Bourque all kinds of ice time'  Not really.  He got an audition.  Kind of like what you're asking for with Sweethands.  It's how you figure out if young AHl guys can sink or swim.  Bourque got 4th line minutes in 18 games -- is that "all kinds of ice time"?

    'signing Seguin and some others to monster contracts before they deserve them'  No.  Seguin was signed to a pretty good contract for the team, which is part of what made him so marketable for a good return on the trade market.

    'He's clearly outplayed Caron, Smith, Fraser et al' No he hasn't.  He has a much bigger body of work to look at  too, if you're willing to look at it instead of focusing on three preseason games against AHL-laden competition.  Smith certainly looks to have more potential, but naturally is a little more raw, not having already struggled through 7 years of pro hockey like Johnson.

    'Chia would be saying "Jeez, we need a goalscorer on that 3rd line' What???

    A. Sweethands isn't a goalscorer.  Never has been.

    B. Chairelli knows exactly what he needs on the 3rd line, now.

    C. Both Smith and Fraser have shown superior 'goal-scoring talent' at whatever levels you can compare to Johnson (NCAA, AHL).

    D. PC has wanted 3rd line wingers to be versatile, with speed and PK abilities, which Smith seems to be demonstrating best.  Johnson does not have speed. 

    That said, I think Johnson has had a very good preseason and might work his way onto the roster.  I doubt it, given the competition and the contracts, but I do think he deserves consideration, and would be deserving of a 13th forward spot if it works out.  He also might clear waivers if he was sent down, since anybody could have signed him a few months ago.

     

     

     
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    ST , George Parros , John Scott are the 3 slowest players in the NHL, the difference is Scott still fights, ST looks and skates around like a chicken with no head and Parros wont fight anymore because he has a shoulder's problem....

     



    And, it's time again for the 'Stanley fact check'

    2012-13 fighting majors:

    Parros-9

    Thornton-8

    Scott-7

     

     
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    ST , George Parros , John Scott are the 3 slowest players in the NHL, the difference is Scott still fights, ST looks and skates around like a chicken with no head and Parros wont fight anymore because he has a shoulder's problem....

     

     



    And, it's time again for the 'Stanley fact check'

     

    2012-13 fighting majors:

    Parros-9

    Thornton-8

    Scott-7

     

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    Thornton cant fight anymore ...he gets crushed every time  besides his fights are more wrestling than real fights, what was he doing against the Caps while McQuaid, Fat and Boychuck were doing his job ??.?    Sorry but we have to turn the page with ST ...lets trade him to Dallas for a few frozen pucks

     
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    Thornton cant fight anymore ...he gets crushed every time  besides his fights are more wrestling than real fights, what was he doing against the Caps while McQuaid, Fat and Boychuck were doing his job ??.?    Sorry but we have to turn the page with ST ...lets trade him to Dallas for a few frozen pucks

     



    Stanley, according to hockeyfights (not scientific Im aware) but over the past two season, they have his w/l/d record as:

    Draws:3

    Losses:8

    Wins:17

    Twice as many wins as losses over the past two seasons.

     
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    Yeah, if the argument is about doing something more productive with the 4th line then I'm all ears.

    But if the argument is that Thornton and Parros don't fight more, or Thornton always loses his fights, well, that just isn't true.

    I really do hope that Thornton becomes more of a spot player this year.  If Toronto dresses a bunch of thugs that are gonna harass Chara and Lucic all night, go ahead and dress him.  Otherwise, put a better hockey player in that spot.

    Thornton is just fine at fighting, but that isn't enough to make him a useful player on most nights.  Keep him on the roster for morale and the games you actually need a goon for.

     

     
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    Sounds like a porn name. 

     

    I agree with Fletch, dressing Thornton against the Leafs, Sabres, and teams like that would not be a bad idea. Wouldn't mind seeing him in the press box against more skilled teams. With Paille and Campbell all ready on that line, they could have the potential to almost be like a second third line with Fraser, Johnson, or Caron in that spot. Thornton holds back what is all ready a very good 4th line for the most part.

     
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    Goon fight wins:  Who "scored the takedown".

    No to Sweethands.

    No to goon hockey.

    No to you.

     

     
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    I am shocked that he got sent down he has been playing way better than Caron if you ask me. I think the B's made a mistake taking Caron over N Johnson.

     
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    Have a look at Sweethands' career arc.  It's telling.  He didn't improve his production in 4 years at Dartmouth.  His goal total dropped every year. First year, playing on a team with Stempniak and Tanner Glass and David Jones, he had 18.  Last year, 10.  Both years, 35 points.

    Had a short stint in the ECHL and was almost a goal/game guy at that level, then had two sub-20 goal seasons in the AHL before more or less breaking through in 2010-11 with 20 in 48 games.  That translated into his only full NHL season - in Minnesota - in which he put up Thornton-like numbers with 3rd-4th line ice-time.

    I don't see anything that suggests that, at 28, he has the offensive chops to move ahead of Caron.  Outside of one AHL season, his AHL numbers aren't much more impressive, and their NHL numbers are comparable too.  So if all other things are comparable, wouldn't you want to give the spot to the young guy who still has a chance to develop into something more?  Especially if he's more physical, better atuned to the system, and the job is likely to be more third/fourth line duty than scoring?

      

     

    Are you not entertained?!?!

     
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    wrong !  biggest bonehead move . Bruins trading away Joe Colborne , oh wait ..... 

     

     
     
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    Re: Sweethands Johnson has to stay

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    Thornton cant fight anymore ...he gets crushed every time  besides his fights are more wrestling than real fights, what was he doing against the Caps while McQuaid, Fat and Boychuck were doing his job ??.?    Sorry but we have to turn the page with ST ...lets trade him to Dallas for a few frozen pucks

     

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    Not a big fan, but he gets crushed every time? Sounds like an overreaction to his fight with Scott.

     
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    LOL

     

    Joe Haggerty @HackswithHaggs 2h

    Nick Johnson placed on waivers by Bruins, which means Jordan Caron has made the Bruins as the 13th forward #BruinsTalk

     
     
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    Right g4ck5, huge, huge mistake once again by Chia. I'm not surprised at all though. Neither he nor Clode value goal scoring. The 3rd line is now comprisedof Sods, who I like a LOT, and 2 guys who have a total of 1 goal between them Tim the preseason! Sweet hands had 5 by himself! WY to go Chia. I envision a team like Philly or Montreal grabbing SweetH and he scores 18  to 20 goals, much more than the combined totals of Kelly and Smith. If he doesn't get nabbed at waivers then he'll be called upas soon asChis realizes he had another brainfaht when he demoted him. 

    I think he lost a couple of Chicklets Fred--The Turk

    The goal isn't for the Bruins to take a beating for the team, it's to cause the opponents to take a beating for theirs.

     
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    Just for the record, how many players in the LEAGUE had more preseason shoals than sweet hands? Not many, an 0 Bruins! he could be one of those late bloomers. Like Charlie Simmer was years ago.

    I think he lost a couple of Chicklets Fred--The Turk

    The goal isn't for the Bruins to take a beating for the team, it's to cause the opponents to take a beating for theirs.

     
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    Re: Sweethands Johnson has to stay

    He'll either get claimed or have success with Providence. Good for him he had a great camp but he is not in the future plans with the Bruins right now, injuries could change that. PC believes he can make a NHL forward out of Caron, I disagree but the Bruins make the decesions.

    The Spooner/Kelly debate, however, will not die with me.





     

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