Re: Taylor vs. Tyler: Who is the better player?
posted at 11/10/2011 6:56 PM EST
In Response to Re: Taylor vs. Tyler: Who is the better player?
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Taylor vs. Tyler: Who is the better player? : Its fun to speculate, i mean, the "absolute snipe meter" wasn't meant to be an exact science. If you read my post, you'd see that part of my problem is that people just assume that THall is the better player, and I think there is evidence to the contrary that needs to be considered by Oilers fans. But anyway, nice try on the Samsonov camparison, but no. Samsonov in no way resembled Tyler Seguin his rookie season, despite the fact he scored much more. First of all, Samsonov was a wing. Second, he was ridiculously undersized. Third, he wasn't even close to as fast as Seguin. Granted, the guy had world-class edges, but he couldn't actually break it to the net because it lacked the size, power, and elite speed to create space in the dangerous areas. Yea, Samsonov had some pretty goals, but he is not/never was in the same league in terms of speed and shooting and hockey sense. When evaluating talent, and how good a player will be in the future, or how good a player currently is, you need to look at his skill set and project it into all of the different potential conditions that he will have to negotiate in the future. Sergie Samsonov did not have skills that were indefensible, he didn't have a lethal ability. Seguin; however, has several lethal abilities that are indefensible: Speed, shooting, hockey sense.These abilities scale no matter what condition Seguin will find himself in. Samsonov didn't have a skill set that was scaleable. He was like a closer with a really good fastball and no secondary pitches. Great, nice rookie season Sergie, but it wouldn't take much to shut you down. I know the point you are trying to make, and its reasonable to want a larger sample size, but if you have a hard time telling the difference between Seguin and Samsonov, I don't know what to tell you, watch more hockey. Another thing I'm not surprised by, is how many people either don't see a diffence between the goals Seguin or Hall scores, or don't think it's important. In My opinion, the skill that Seguin displays when he scores a goal is representative of a higher talent level. The goals Seguin scores have a huge degree of difficulty, they aren't back-door garbage goals. You can teach positioning, and as Seguin gets more ice time, he will start picking up his fair share of garbage goals. But what you can't teach is pure hockey skill, and Seguin has it and shows it off at a much higher rate than Taylor Hall. **quick note on skinner: He's a great player, he has amazing agility and goal scoring ability, but he isn't the same passer as Seguin. Jeff Skinner reminds me of a version of Sidney Crosby, that doesn't have elite vision and passing ability. Obviously, we all know that's still a heck of a player considering that Sid is the best player in the league bar-none.
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I am a bit surprised at how many people aren't getting this.
SoxFanIL - I only know of ONE goal where Seguin got a tap in - a dish from a team mate - and he had to work for it, it wasn't an easy tap in. I think you meant to say most of his goals were NOT a dish from a team mate.
BlueFox - benched when things got tough? Like when he got benched in the playoffs and came back for TB?
Plus, it speaks volumes about Seguin that he has improved so much since last year.
Who cares about what Seguin did last year when we won the cup anyway?
In any race, it's not how fast you start, but where you are at the finish.
Yes, it is very early in both their careers. I haven't seen that much of Hall. I have seen a lot of Tyler.
You cannot tell me that Tyler with the puck inside the offensive zone isn't a real scoring threat. He gets people out of their seats.
He still hasn't fully physically matured yet, even if he doesn't get bigger, he will certainly get stronger.
If you don't see he's an immense talent, and his talent is trending upward, you are either ignorant or yanking my chain.
If you don't see that *virtually* every goal he's scored has been a thing of beauty, a "pure snipe", sorry, you're ignorant.