Thank God Paille is back

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    Rating Paille on his offensive production is like saying the 4th line in 2009 had something to do with the Bruins being the 2nd leading scoring team that year. 4th line checkers are rated on how well they can give the top three lines a rest so any goal production is a plus, an un-predicted bonus see Thornton and Campbell.
     
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    if a 4th line is not rated by how many goals they score- then it should be rated by how many goals they give up, no? as far as bruin forwards are concerned- here's how it shakes out....savvy(-7); this season's numbers cannot be looked into too much obviously, ryder(-4); by far the least responsible forward BUT has 34 pts., arniel(-1) only 2 games played...then seguin and paille tied at (0). paille has played in 25 games this year and has shown nothing, ANY rookie can give the top lines a rest- and chip in nothing offensively. 

     
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    btw...caron has 7 pts(3/4) in 23 games w/ +3 rating
     
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    I just want to say that the quality of a legit team's 4th line is no joke and vital to a Cup run.

    Look at any Cup winning team's 4th line and it's essentially a mirror image of their 3rd line and better than most team's 3rd lines.

    If Chia does go the Center route, banking on that Center to be a makeshift 1st liner that can help Horton, etc, I hope he's someone who wins a lot draws at 60% or higher.

    Another very underrated aspect of a legit Cup contending team.  Bergeron is very good, their best, Campbell is solid and Kreijci is hit or miss.

    Another face off specialist would be great.
     
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    [QUOTE]What really makes no sense is that people on here measure 4th liners on how many goals they score. It simply is not what is required of a checking 4th liner that's more perplexing.
    Posted by SanDogBrewin[/QUOTE]
    You find it perplexing when I say that 3rd and 4th line scoring depth is what seperates the best teams in the playoffs.If only my typing slower would make it easier for you to understand because I don't know how I could be any clearer.Goals for and against is the way all lines are gauged against one another.How else shall I compare-PIMS or maybe we could set up a race between them?Please make it easy for me to understand exactly what's expected of a 4th line checker.Could it be Pailles 19 hits in 25 games or should I not expect a 4th line checker to do that either?
     
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    In Response to Re: Thank God Paille is back:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Thank God Paille is back : Paille misses 4 games and the boys on here start a love-in for him.Just last week,the majority couldn't wait to see him go.Now people are saying he's a solid veteran that should dress ahead of Caron.Hamill,Thornton,etc.I don't know what gives but it makes no sense to me.
    Posted by dezaruchi[/QUOTE]

    For the record, I was not one of those people who complained about 4th line players.


     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Thank God Paille is back : For the record, I was not one of those people who complained about 4th line players.
    Posted by BBReigns[/QUOTE]
    I never noticed any complaints from you but,the way it seems lately,I'm one of the few who has a problem with Paille.I won't apologize for seeing NOTHING in Pailles game that couldn't be done better by Caron or another P-Bruin.
     
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    If you want to look purely at goals against
    That is sorted by 5-on-5 goals against per 60 minutes of ice time.

    Paille hasn't been gread defensively, as he's the only regular 4th-liner for whom the team gives up more goals when he is off the ice than when he is on.

    In terms of PK

    Paille has done fairly well.  
     
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    DrCC....that's the point exactly, an argument has to made to convince people that paille has played "fairly well"- rookies can play "fairly well"-
     
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    [QUOTE]Maybe its not a coincidence that since Paille has been out the Bruins PK has faltered badly... 7-19 in the last 4 is not good... One thing you can say about DP he is fast and covers a lot of ice quickly, and he is a smart hockey player... ok , two things... Is there anyone faster on this team?  I don't think so..
    Posted by cowboys9[/QUOTE]

    The PK has been struggling because the goaltending has been bad.  It has nothing to do with Paille being out.
     
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    The "fairly well" was with reference to penalty killing.  Most rookies are not going to do even that well there.  Caron looked like the exception earlier in the year.  Not sure if more time back in Boston would get him there again; I didn't think he looked too good these three games (though most of the team looked bad against Detroit).
     
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    In Response to Re: Thank God Paille is back:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Thank God Paille is back : I never noticed any complaints from you but,the way it seems lately,I'm one of the few who has a problem with Paille.I won't apologize for seeing NOTHING in Pailles game that couldn't be done better by Caron or another P-Bruin.
    Posted by dezaruchi[/QUOTE]

    Fair argument. I would just say Paille has more experience.  I have the 4th line as something like this in an ideal, post trade world:

    Paille Campbell Thornton

    Caron comes in for Paille if need be.  Seguin may get scratched if this team can acquire a legit Center and Campbell stays on the 4th line, instead of moving up.

    This is another issue altogether.  What do you with Seguin?
     
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    [QUOTE]If you want to look purely at goals against http://www.behindthenet.ca/nhl_statistics.php?s=24&rs=t&f1=2010_s&f2=5v5&f4=C+LW+RW&f5=BOS&c=0+1+3+5+17+18+19+20+21+22+23+24+25+26+27+28# That is sorted by 5-on-5 goals against per 60 minutes of ice time. Paille hasn't been gread defensively, as he's the only regular 4th-liner for whom the team gives up more goals when he is off the ice than when he is on. In terms of PK http://www.behindthenet.ca/nhl_statistics.php?s=24&rs=t&f1=2010_s&f2=4v5&f4=C+LW+RW&f5=BOS&c=0+1+3+5+17+18+19+20+21+22+23+24+25+26+27+28# Paille has done fairly well.  
    Posted by DrCC[/QUOTE]

    Interesting stats.  So Caron is a much better player 5 on 5 but Paille is a very slightly better penalty killer.  So why did we send Caron down to make room for Paille?

    The other intresting stat is that per 60 minutes of playing time Hamill has the best +- of any Bruins forward. 
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Thank God Paille is back : Interesting stats.  So Caron is a much better player 5 on 5 but Paille is a very slightly better penalty killer.  So why did we send Caron down to make room for Paille? The other intresting stat is that per 60 minutes of playing time Hamill has the best +- of any Bruins forward. 
    Posted by Orrthebest[/QUOTE]
    Yeah, Hamill's number is skewed by him only being here 2 games, and one of them saw 8 goals.

    I wish that website would allow you to bread down the numbers by date.  Caron had very good numbers at the beginning of the season.  Mostly from his time with Bergeron.  By the time he was sent down, though, he had tailed-off considerably.  I think these past few games he played were a chance to show if he'd gotten back to where he was.

    I think we will either see him brought back up after the trade deadline (when the roster is more set than now), or if the cap won't allow that he'll be brought up for the playoffs.
     
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    Told ya, the bad PK is due to bad goaltending.
     
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