The Buffalo Squad

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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: The Buffalo Squad : True, to a point. I think sucess starts with a good core of players, solid goaltending and timely secondary scoring. I think buffalo has a good core, obviously solid goaltending but it's the secondary scoring in general that they have to overcome.
    Posted by kelvana33[/QUOTE]

    Swish!  Right on the money.  And some teams are in a win now mode.  Buffalo has a fantastic following, an owner that spends, a city that has been crying for it.

    I will stick to my call that Buffalo was already a decent playoff team capible of making an upset or two.  They have a fantastic goalie- one of the top 5 in the world. 
    Add (2) Top 4 dmen to any team and you immediatey get better. 
    Add a proven leader in Regehr who gets his old dpartner back.
    Experience for both playing in a 7 game stanley cup finals. 
    Add another top 6 fwd who also recently played in the cup finals and thrives come playoff time.
    Add some young gritty power fwd types who are pushing the brink of making the big club.  This is an area of weakness.  Smallish fwds.  Well they are adding to this with youth.  No different than when we brought in Lucic. 
    They have a young core. 

    Subtractions were guys that were replaced and then some. 
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: The Buffalo Squad : Swish!  Right on the money.  And some teams are in a win now mode.  Buffalo has a fantastic following, an owner that spends, a city that has been crying for it. I will stick to my call that Buffalo was already a decent playoff team capible of making an upset or two.  They have a fantastic goalie- one of the top 5 in the world.  Add (2) Top 4 dmen to any team and you immediatey get better.  Add a proven leader in Regehr who gets his old dpartner back. Experience for both playing in a 7 game stanley cup finals.  Add another top 6 fwd who also recently played in the cup finals and thrives come playoff time. Add some young gritty power fwd types who are pushing the brink of making the big club.  This is an area of weakness.  Smallish fwds.  Well they are adding to this with youth.  No different than when we brought in Lucic.  They have a young core.  Subtractions were guys that were replaced and then some. 
    Posted by shuperman[/QUOTE]

    Wow you guys ended this thread with that analysis.... excellent.  Buffalo may not win the Cup but they will be a team whose play will challenge the best of thte Eastern Conference.  Paraenthetically, is Philly are real contender?  

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: The Buffalo Squad : Wow you guys ended this thread with that analysis.... excellent.  Buffalo may not win the Cup but they will be a team whose play will challenge the best of thte Eastern Conference.  Paraenthetically, is Philly are real contender?  
    Posted by islamorada[/QUOTE]
    The ONLY WAY Philly bothers me is the health of Pronger. Brizzy isn't the answer in goal. Vokoun was a far better opition IMO. You cannot replace a Carter; nor a Richards with the players they got in return! I'll be surprised they make the play-offs quiet honestly. JVR will be a stud; but not this season!
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: The Buffalo Squad : The ONLY WAY Philly bothers me is the health of Pronger. Brizzy isn't the answer in goal. Vokoun was a far better opition IMO. You cannot replace a Carter; nor a Richards with the players they got in return! I'll be surprised they make the play-offs quiet honestly. JVR will be a stud; but not this season!
    Posted by nitemare-38[/QUOTE]

    Exactly how I see Philly, two or three years down the line a contender.  Quite frankly Buffalo and NJ are better teams right now imo.  Holmgren knows that it will take time too, I think after the exit last season, he decided to re calibrate his team with a defensive posture.  Pronger helping out Schenn and yes JVR maturing with the likes of Giroux.  I agree the goaltending issue has not been settled.  
     
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    You boys need to take a closer look at Bryzgalov.  We can all agree that Phoenix has been a bad team for a long time, right?  Bryzgalov had a monster season in 2010-11, finishing Top 10 in SV% while seeing the third most saves (and making the third most saves).  .920 is no joke.  If he can do that with the team formerly known as the Jets, I think he'll be looking much better with the Philly squad.

    I'm not sure about Philly's fate up front, but I think their defense (even without Pronger) is pretty dang good.
     
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    [QUOTE]You boys need to take a closer look at Bryzgalov.  We can all agree that Phoenix has been a bad team for a long time, right?  Bryzgalov had a monster season in 2010-11, finishing Top 10 in SV% while seeing the third most saves (and making the third most saves).  .920 is no joke.  If he can do that with the team formerly known as the Jets, I think he'll be looking much better with the Philly squad. I'm not sure about Philly's fate up front, but I think their defense (even without Pronger) is pretty dang good.
    Posted by Not-A-Shot[/QUOTE]
    OK NAS I'll give the benefit of the doubt & say Philly gets in. With the exception of his season in his run with the Ducks in 06' he has NEVER played well in the play-offs. His play this past post season was below average. I think he's another Byron Dafoe. Great Regular season goalie; but not a play-off performer. I'll be the 1st 1 to retract my statement if he proves me wrong. However; I think if he's forced to play over 60 games in Philly he hasn't shown me he's worth what they're paying him & he's not the answer. Phx had a better team than you're giving them credit for.

    The thing I was talking about with Pronger is his leadership. Philly gave away too much of that. Briere & Hartnell are fine; but neither of these guys are a Richards or a Carter.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: The Buffalo Squad : OK NAS I'll give the benefit of the doubt & say Philly gets in. With the exception of his season in his run with the Ducks in 06' he has NEVER played well in the play-offs. His play this past post season was below average. I think he's another Byron Dafoe. Great Regular season goalie; but not a play-off performer. I'll be the 1st 1 to retract my statement if he proves me wrong. However; I think if he's forced to play over 60 games in Philly he hasn't shown me he's worth what they're paying him & he's not the answer. Phx had a better team than you're giving them credit for. The thing I was talking about with Pronger is his leadership. Philly gave away too much of that. Briere & Hartnell are fine; but neither of these guys are a Richards or a Carter.
    Posted by nitemare-38[/QUOTE]

    I will fully admit that I didn't watch a second of Coyotes playoffs last season.  Did Bryzgalov play poorly, or did the boys in front of him?
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: The Buffalo Squad : I will fully admit that I didn't watch a second of Coyotes playoffs last season.  Did Bryzgalov play poorly, or did the boys in front of him?
    Posted by Not-A-Shot[/QUOTE]
    Don't just take my word for it; but he was very bad. Part of the reason why the Yotes let him walk I think. Not just because they couldn't afford him. If you go to the NHL.com site you can see for yourself he wasn't the same goalie you're thinking. It could very well be that he just had a bad play-off; but he wasn't great last yr either. He was better than this yr; but he wasn't the same.
     
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    Any reassessments at the midway point for this thread?
     
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    I'll bite.  I drank way too much of the kool-aid. 
     
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    [QUOTE]Any reassessments at the midway point for this thread?
    Posted by Fletcher1[/QUOTE]


    I think Lucic is what happened.
     
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    Some people were right on this thread and some people were wrong (so far).

    But, nobody predicted that goaltending would be the biggest problem.

    Maybe you're right ILH, is Lucic the X-factor here?
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: The Buffalo Squad : I think Lucic is what happened.
    Posted by I-Like-Hockey[/QUOTE]
    yup...exposed them as being a gutless, weak team that didn't have each others backs. people can say what they want about the b's, but there is one thing that everyone can agree on, THEY HAVE EACH OTHERS BACK! that mindset is essential to having a tight team. one that win's for each other. fights for each other. gotta love it
     
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    I didn't think Buffalo was that good then and I don't now.  People are starting to blame the Lucic hit for Miller playing bad, but he wasn't all that great last year and he was terrible this year from the beginning.  I will say the gutless reaction by the team may have killed morale, but getting hit didn't make Miller worse.  Miller also acts like a big-feeling punk.  I think the complete lack of reaction from the Sabers might be a sign of what the rest of the team thinks of him.
     
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    at the start of the season, i had the rangers topping the atlantic and competing with the b's for the east spot in the finals- that one looks pretty good. BUT, i also had buffalo at a 4 or 5 seed. oops, can't win 'em all.  really looking forward to sat's game vs. the rangers, watching it with a couple ranger fans.
     
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    I'm glad i didn't get involved in this thread as i think i thought Buffalo would be better than they have shown. As a matter of fact before the season started i thought they would easily make the playoffs, but boy was i wrong. I didn't count on D.Roy, Miller, Leino, Myers, Stafford, Regehr, and Ehrhoff to stink the joint out. I know Ehrhoff isn't a Norris trophy candidate, but for the money he signed for he has been bad, and don't even mention Leino. What a waste of money. Obviously Philly knew something. As for Ilya "The Flake" Bryzgalov, Nitemare had it pretty bang on.  
     
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    Nah, it wasn't the Lucic thing.  Remember the flurry of posts after the collision suggesting Miller was just looking for an excuse to sit out for a week or two to find his game or to give the net to Enroth without creating a controversy?  Miller hasn't been the same since Crosby's no look short side golden goal.  Most people were saying the D would be alright, too, but Myers has been getting worse, not better, and Regher is looking out of place - he's never been a big producer, but 2 points at the half way mark?  

    For all that, NAS's initial diagnosis of a lack of depth is proving correct.  They have 5 guys with more than 20 points, and one of them is Luke Adam who has 1 point in his last 20 games.  Ennis was doing nothing before he went out, Ellis and Gerbe are looking like AHLers, Leino has been a disaster, Boyes is a joke (Wideman is outscoring him 3-1), and on it goes.

    Snowball's chance they make the playoffs, and I think the Triple Lindy is going back to school.
     
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    [QUOTE]I dunno, in looking at them I find myself kinda with NaS. I'm guessing Roy's health is a big deal to their chances. Does Stafford continue to  improve? Everyone seems to think Myers is a stud...maybe, he is but he certainly regressed a bit last year (maybe due to the spate of injuries or his rotating cast of partners). I don't see him as a legit #1 yet. Not to say he won't be, but he is not yet. I like Pominville, Ennis, and Gaustad. I'm not sold on Leino, Hecht, Boyes, or McCormick. I think they are a playoff team, but I am far from convinced they can go deeper than last year. Luckily, they have an owner with deep pockets, so can make deadline adjustments. They do have a great goalie, so that is a strong positive...but overall I don't put them among the best in the East.
    Posted by seobrien[/QUOTE]

    I was initially lukewarm, but when lukewarm sits, it gets cold. I will say they are MUCH worse than I thought they would be. (I did say they had a great goalie...hahahaha)
     
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    [QUOTE]Nah, it wasn't the Lucic thing.  Remember the flurry of posts after the collision suggesting Miller was just looking for an excuse to sit out for a week or two to find his game or to give the net to Enroth without creating a controversy?  Miller hasn't been the same since Crosby's no look short side golden goal.  Most people were saying the D would be alright, too, but Myers has been getting worse, not better, and Regher is looking out of place - he's never been a big producer, but 2 points at the half way mark?   For all that, NAS's initial diagnosis of a lack of depth is proving correct.  They have 5 guys with more than 20 points, and one of them is Luke Adam who has 1 point in his last 20 games.  Ennis was doing nothing before he went out, Ellis and Gerbe are looking like AHLers, Leino has been a disaster, Boyes is a joke (Wideman is outscoring him 3-1), and on it goes. Snowball's chance they make the playoffs, and I think the Triple Lindy is going back to school.
    Posted by Bookboy007[/QUOTE]


    May not be 100% accurate but here you go:

    Before Lucic

    Buffalo is 10-5

    After Nov.12

    Buffalo is 9-24


    It was definitely Lucic. The proof is in the pudding he single handidly immasculated and destroyed that team.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: The Buffalo Squad : May not be 100% accurate but here you go: Before Lucic Buffalo is 10-5 After Nov.12 Buffalo is 9-24 It was definitely Lucic. The proof is in the pudding he single handidly immasculated and destroyed that team.
    Posted by I-Like-Hockey[/QUOTE]

    God how awesome of a glame would that be to make?

    "Do you know who I am? I'm the guy that brought a multi-million dollar, star studded, professional hockey team crumbling to its knees. Thats who I am."
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: The Buffalo Squad : May not be 100% accurate but here you go: Before Lucic Buffalo is 10-5 After Nov.12 Buffalo is 9-24 It was definitely Lucic. The proof is in the pudding he single handidly immasculated and destroyed that team.
    Posted by I-Like-Hockey[/QUOTE]
    ILH, it also didn't hurt that Zee rag-dolled Regher. Tell me that isn't depressing for a team. If you do manage to solve Lucic's level of mean then the Bruins just get meaner.
     
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    I don't think it was really about Lucic, but I do think that was another big dose of adversity to a team that can't seem to handle it.

    As a side note, how is Butler doing in Calgary (never get to watch them)?  I thought that he was one of their better D-men last year and thought he would turn into a more well-rounded player than Ehrhoff or Regehr.

    Too many soft forwards -- Vanek, Ennis, Ellis, Boyes, Leino, etc.  I don't mean 'soft' in terms of toughness so much but rather in terms of the 'soft skillset' of guys that don't do the things needed to score consistently or score in tight games.  Lots of perimeter, powerplay, and odd-man rush specialists there, and not enough guys who can score in tight, five-on-five situations.

    Myers is pulling a Phaneuf -- he's never looked as good as he did as a rookie.
     
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    [QUOTE]I don't think it was really about Lucic, but I do think that was another big dose of adversity to a team that can't seem to handle it. As a side note, how is Butler doing in Calgary (never get to watch them)?  I thought that he was one of their better D-men last year and thought he would turn into a more well-rounded player than Ehrhoff or Regehr. Too many soft forwards -- Vanek, Ennis, Ellis, Boyes, Leino, etc.  I don't mean 'soft' in terms of toughness so much but rather in terms of the 'soft skillset' of guys that don't do the things needed to score consistently or score in tight games.  Lots of perimeter, powerplay, and odd-man rush specialists there, and not enough guys who can score in tight, five-on-five situations. Myers is pulling a Phaneuf -- he's never looked as good as he did as a rookie.
    Posted by Fletcher1[/QUOTE]
    Fletch, I think the league clicked in that he's just a big softie.
     
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    Chris "on for seven goals against" Butler?  Ol' -7 himself? 
     
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    [QUOTE]Hey NAS this is a good topic . I hope you're not upset that I have multiple posts on your thread . I don't think there are a lot of posters who see it your way yet. Somehow the stuff you read isn't so crazy afterall considering there are some really good posters making comments on how they like the Sabres lineup this year.
    Posted by Chowdahkid-[/QUOTE]

    This is my favorite post of this thread.


     

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