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In response to stevegm's comment:
In response to ipotnyc's comment:
You know what, dez? Here's a project for you. Why don't you spend a few days reading the totality of someone's posts - all 6,340 of them - before you start the "name calling?"
You can call me whatever the heck you want; I'm fine with that. I'll just leave it at. No rancor on my part. What I feel about the Bruins is solely my OWN perspective, that only I can truly define. And equally, it's none of my business to profess to know what "kind of fan" you are.
The juvenile debates over who is a "true fan" and who isn't continue. It's utterly inane, don't you think? It's a stinkin' community board, not a members only club.
And remember this: the players, coaches, and suits on the team could give a rodent's tail what ANY OF US "advise" or "suggest" needs to be done - that's kind of funny isn't it?
I don't mind the "negativity" one bit, it's the "resignation", coupled with the absense of "backup" tha drives me nuts.
This thread is about the contents of other recent threads, and I don't need to examine the contents of 60 some hundred others, to see the holes in your philosophy here. I just need to review the pertinent ones. You're smart, and articulate....You've made countless positive opinions here, but in the context of this thread, your contribution has been nothing more than senseless noise.
We all have the responsibility to back up our thoughts on a public opinion. If we don't, then be prepared for the backlash. If we offer up flawed logic, that only gets worse. In this case, you and your cohorts, just keep getting in deeper. Examples of like minded recent posts include
1. Fire the coach cuz thats what New Jersey did, or because when he couldn't get a win or two because the Bruins should've propped up the city after the bombings.
2. Clueless ramblings suggesting Chara is no good because of a bad game. A whole thread consisting of nothing but dumb whining. No suggestions on how to improve, nothing about better options...just brainless whining. I'm sure the OP feels upset someone would say that, but it's true none the less.
3. Repeated suggestions that this team needs to be "blown up". No intelligent or compelling reasons to back that up, probably because there are none....anyway.. mindless drivel. No coherant hockey expert would agree with that, and there are countless reasons why.
In this case, the hi-lite above is not something you have the right to stand behind. Rather the opposite, a responsibility you have, if you want to play here....or anywhere else publicly. Everything you state above, either attempts to deflect something, or is quite unrelated. 7 basic points, points virtually everyone should agree with, but none with any relevance to the the spirit of this thread.
your quote..."this team has been horse dung since May"...any team not called the Panthers can kick them around"......"maybe next year...."
What kind of crap is that? It can't be discussed or debated in an adult manner, there's no backup. In fact, anything you could dig up to support those childish statements, would get you skewered even worse. You can't even back up those statements let alone make any kind of "compelling" assement moving forward. You're smart and articulate. You should fully understand, and accept what's being said about you.
I'm not going to get into the four thousand holes in your logic here. I respect it, well though out, but I'll disagree. The issue of "responsibility" to a public board is vastly different than that to DUI or some ethical code, especially when what's t stake here is clearly DIALECTICS. Here is where you have missed the whole point:
Firstly, how is "wait till next year" any more childish than saying "We got this. We're going all the way." THere are countless posts of chest thumping wihtout "justifiable" rationale behind them. How come I can read those (and, mind you, I have said thing like the latter in the past) as simply gut emotion without any other intention behind it. People get POed, people get too positively excited in the moment. It is a fundamental human trait.
Firstly, I have mentioned only a few times that Chara is not having his best year. If yo disagree, fine. But, I will stand by my position that he has not been playing to his capabilities all season. I've never asked for him to be traded. Wrong on that.
Secondly, the right to question whether a coach stays or not IS hocley logic. Just because this team won a Cup under CJ does not give him a lifetime contract with the Bruins. So, yes, the NJ Devils fired him. So, does that make Lamoriello an idiot or childish? It actually begs the question to think what an actual NHL GM with 3 Cups to his credit is thinking. Do you, SteveGM, know what is going on in that clubhouse. I have "dumped" on CJ, but have never said he should be canned, but something that needs to be evaluated - as would for ANY team in a rut.
Thirdly, how on earth you connect my feelings toward CJ as a coach towards the bombings is sickly bizarre. The team played poorly in the 2 games after the bombings, against teams they could have beaten. Apparently, you did not see the lackluster effort or the players themselves admitting to the fact that they didn't play their best games as the source for my so-called sleight of the team you feel is unifinformed insight.
Fourthly, I do not recall, your honor, ever saying this team should be "blown up." And if you find otherwsie let me know, and I will confess truthfully and to the best of my ability the reasons for admitting as such, so help me g-d. Because I have never advocated that position.
See, the problem here is - by reading a small percentage of posts - and I don't know all of what you have said, does not in any way shape or form define my hockey knowledge.
THere is a flip side, coined NOT by Noam Chomsky, but actually by Waler Lippmann, called "manufactured consent" - it works both ways. Every amateur GM will spout his or her solutions for fixing the team's problems.
But, if you want to make it divisive between "fairweathers" and "real" fans, you need to look at the ad nauseam, repetive rationales for fixing this team. Why are they ad nauseam? Because they are the same problems OVER AND OVER again. Get it? So,saying for the umpteenth time, they need to get more physical or they need to gwt the wings more aggressive in their own zone or "pass more" and so on over and over and over and over MEANS the team is NOT and hasn't been doing it.
Here, then is what I feel about this team going forwrs: I have not seen in quite sometime a full 60 minute effort - and I'm going earlier than these past 10 days. This team lets opponents spend too much time in their own zone consistently for over 6 months which is so far off the system. THis team is not hitting back physically - and I'm not talking about now when bodies need to be healthy but going back to early March. I see a team that's having more trouble than usual playing transition hockey and maintaining sustained pressure in opponents' ends (no, batting pucks around the perimeter doesn't equal scoring chances). But, even the bigger point that many justofy about the shortened season applies to ALL teams, not just the Bs.
Do I think right now, at this point in what I'm seeing that they can go deep? No. I'm not happy about that opinion, but I want to be proven wrong. That's the excitment about watching a sport - the great unknown.
Enjoy the season, stevegm. Really
“The heart has its reasons but the mind makes the excuses.”
OK Ipot...Guess we have to review the facts, before we can debate the merits of a quitters attitude. I've hi-lited a few things and we'll go from there. Starting at the top:
#1. You're wildly exagerating the inference of "responsibility". Of course it's much different than DUI. Great example of you're overly dramatic ramblings of late.
#2. It isn't. Usually that perfectly describes Stanleys ravings(been a little more bi-polar lately, but that's a different essay) Mindless chest thumping is absolutely as bad as defeatist wining. Plenty of examples of the chest thumpers getting roasted. The cry of "irrelevance, your honor' can be inserted many times throughout your response.
#3. This covers off pretty much the entire spirit of everything you've written above, and that is....stevegm doesn't have his facts straight. I didn't say you said Chara should be traded. I merely lumped you into the same category as some other guitters. Same as the original poster did. You'll notice I preferenced my list of three, by stating..."examples of like minded recent posts include". Pretty straight forward. You've misinterpreted.
#4. Myself, nor anyone else on this board has ever suggested CJ deserves a lifetime contract. You're dreaming things up, in an attempt to defend. Again, re-read #2. I never said you wrote that CJ should be canned. My original inference was the fact that, the mindless are grasping to the notion that CJ should be whacked because Lou Lam did it, when the facts show the team looked worse immediately thereafter.
#5. How "sickly" dramatic is that statment?. Not to mention totally wrong. Again, please re-read #2. There have been numerous posts expressing anger, because the B's lost those 2 games last week. The basis for those misguided, stupid posts was very clear. How could any decent hockey team lose those two contests, when the city so desperately needed them for emotional healing. I'm surprised you stooped that low in an attempt to deflect. Then again, maybe you just made a mistake.
#6. "Real", vs "fairweather" . Your paragraph there, doesn't refelct reality. Knowledgeable hockey fans already know they're "not", and "haven't" been doing it. They just realize that doesn't mean they definately "can't" moving forward. Sums up everything really. The other side isn't saying "they will"...merely saying it's possible. You've written plenty suggesting they can't, game over...and that's the difference.
#7. The "blown up" card. Missed it again. See #2. Emphatically stating however, that 29 of 30 NHL teams can "kick them around"(anyone not named the Panthers), suggests theyre well.....second worse. If so, it probably wouldn't be a bad idea to blow things up. You're contradicting the spirit of your own thoughts, by screaming about this one.
I've read enough of your posts to see, you "usually" come across as a sharp hockey guy. Until those last couple paragraphs, you don't exhibit any of that. I don't think anyone will argue with those thoughts. Cripes everyones saying something close to that. Thing is though...that's inconsistent with what you've "been saying". I didn't nominate you for the "Fairweathers", someone else did, but the reason you were...is because you loudly picked your side. The side that's throwing in the towel, quitting....whining. Resigned to hopelessness.
Still feel that way?