The Realistic Move

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    Sign Kelly, but at a fair price.  he is a key player.

    How about trading Thomas for Percell.  He would look good on a line with kelly and peverly.

    4'th line would be thorton, campbell, and caron.
     
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    A Thomas for Purcell swap would be awesome and realistic. They are both pending FA's. He only plays 15mins per game now so it would be no adjustment to put him on the third line, and if you signed Kelly with the money saved from Thomas that Purcell-Kelly-Peverley line would be the best third unit in the game. If I was Chiarelli, I would attempt to get a swap of 1st's included in the deal to move up to tenth.

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    [QUOTE]Sign Kelly, but at a fair price.  he is a key player. How about trading Thomas for Percell.  He would look good on a line with kelly and peverly. 4'th line would be thorton, campbell, and caron.
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    What you're saying is exactly why the Bruins should steer away from guys like Parise. They already have guys that have similar production but less name value and are not UFA, so they come in much cheaper. As is being shown in the current playoffs, name value gets you nothing.

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    [QUOTE]Lucic is nearly a perenial 30 goal guy. But much more intimidating and has much more grit. He's worth 8 mill? Marchand almost got to 30. And has kept improving. Is he going to be worth 8 mill? I just don't understand how he as a winger can get an 8 mill offer with his recent stats. When he hit 94 points a few years ago? Absolutely. But he didn't break 70 points this season. And he came off a major knee injury. I like him, but not at 8 mill.
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    [QUOTE]Lucic is nearly a perenial 30 goal guy. But much more intimidating and has much more grit. He's worth 8 mill? Marchand almost got to 30. And has kept improving. Is he going to be worth 8 mill? I just don't understand how he as a winger can get an 8 mill offer with his recent stats. When he hit 94 points a few years ago? Absolutely. But he didn't break 70 points this season. And he came off a major knee injury. I like him, but not at 8 mill.
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    Is this serious?  I like Lucic as much as the next guy, but if you think he and Parise are same level player, please go back to watching basketball.  Parise best year, 45 goals, Lucic best year 30 with 5 empty netters.  Parise has never scored less than 30 (other than rookie year), so to say he and lucic are same except lucic is bigger and more physical, is about the biggest homer statement that could be made.

    Krejci is a 50-60 point guy at best who just signed for 5.25M, you quote Parise worst season in the past 3 where he didnt break 70 (ok 69) points.  If you wouldn't pay 7M (which he will probably get) for a gamer like Parise who still scored 30+ and 70 pts after missing an entire season, and we know is closer to 35-45 goals a year and 80+ points, who would you pay for? 

    I love how Parise "couldnt break 70 pts", and how Lucic is a perennial 30 goal guy like Parise.  Lucic did it once!  With 5 empty netters!  I like Lucic, but common, don't put him out there as an elite goal scorer in the NHL like this guy.
     
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    [QUOTE]What you're saying is exactly why the Bruins should steer away from guys like Parise. They already have guys that have similar production but less name value and are not UFA, so they come in much cheaper. As is being shown in the current playoffs, name value gets you nothing. In Response to Re: The Realistic Move :
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    To say a guy like Parise is name value is just wrong.  Parise is a talented scorer with grit, not a figure skater like Semin.  Sorry, but the bruins have no forwards not named seguin with the potential to put up 45 goals, nevermind actually doing it.  Not to mention, Parise has done that in a defensive system like claudes.  To say we have guys like him here already is just not accurate.  You get what you pay for sometimes.  This isn't a guy who has been lighting up the scoreboard in purgatory like atlanta for 10 years while his team racks up a top 3 pick every season (heatley and ilya style, to name a few).  This guy has more than talent, he wants it as bad as a 3rd line mucker, and has the proven ability to put up 35+ a year.
     
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    [QUOTE]Now that we have gotten the obligatory Parise, Nash, Iginla threads out of the way, what does everyone think the Bruins should do to tweak the team? It is most likely that DK, Lucic, Horton, PB, Marchand and Seguin will return as the league's second-most productive top-6 forwards.  How do the Bruins improve their third and fourth lines? Thornton, Peverley and Caron are assumed back. Do they trade for a wing? Do they resign Kelly? Do they sign another free agent? Move Peverley to center? Bring back Pouliot? On the back end I'll assume Hamiliton will make the team, Chiarelli has implied as much. Do they bring in someone else? Resign Zanon? The goaltending situation has plenty of threads already on its own, I'm leaving that out. I'm curious as to anyone's realistic suggestions, but please leave out the signing of any free agent/trade that would cost more than 7mil. Also please leave out the trading of Krejci (seems like every suggestion starts there) or Lucic (he was not invisible in the playoffs if you actually watched the games) as they are awesome players with reasonable cap hits and Chiarelli isn't messing with his core.
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    Replace WARD with Adam OATES.
     
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    It is a falsehood to say that because someone has done something before means they will do it again, and because they haven't that they won't. Parise scored 45goals 3 years and 2 knee surgeries ago, and now he is poised to make as much as Lucic and Marchand combined as a UFA. I would much sooner spend that money on those two, and yes both of their production is pretty close to what Parise was shown he can do on his new knee this past season. Boston's LW's are also only 23, younger than Parise was before he ever scored his lone 45 goal season. It is not a homer perspective to say they are better options and that their production is currently similar as individuals, dramatically better combined at the same cost.

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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: The Realistic Move : To say a guy like Parise is name value is just wrong.  Parise is a talented scorer with grit, not a figure skater like Semin.  Sorry, but the bruins have no forwards not named seguin with the potential to put up 45 goals, nevermind actually doing it.  Not to mention, Parise has done that in a defensive system like claudes.  To say we have guys like him here already is just not accurate.  You get what you pay for sometimes.  This isn't a guy who has been lighting up the scoreboard in purgatory like atlanta for 10 years while his team racks up a top 3 pick every season (heatley and ilya style, to name a few).  This guy has more than talent, he wants it as bad as a 3rd line mucker, and has the proven ability to put up 35+ a year.
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    Adam Oates was (obviously) one of my favorite all time Bruins. That said, the NJ powerplay was exactly the same production-wise as Boston's. He also did a great job of pissing off Kovalchuk trying to get him to change wings. I don't know if he would be an improvement or not. Now, if he could play...

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    [QUOTE]In Response to The Realistic Move : Replace WARD with Adam OATES.
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    So, going along with my theme that Seguin should be inserted as a center, here is my projected lineup (assuming of course that the injured are ready to go by the fall):

    Lucic-Krejci-Horton

    ?-Seguin-Marchand

    Pouliot(RFA)?-Bergeron-Peverley

    Caron-?-Thornton

    Chara-Boychuk
    Seidenberg-Hamilton/Krug
    McQauid-Ference

    TT
    Rask (RFA)

    So, barring any trades there are two spots open plus a veteran 7th d man needed. Marchand and Peverley can alternate positions if there is no chemistry between Rich and Seguin. This is also based on the assumption that Hamilton or Krug can step in and play regularly. Pouliot can be qualified if need be, at a 10% raise as is customary, as a stopgap. I do not, however, want to see him playing on the top 2 lines.

    The alignment above gives the Bruins scoring depth (three lines that are offensive threats). The wild cards of course is if Horton can come back and be productive and McQuaid can play regularly without residual side-effects of his injury. Kelly is not really needed in my opinion.
     
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    [QUOTE]It is a falsehood to say that because someone has done something before means they will do it again, and because they haven't that they won't. Parise scored 45goals 3 years and 2 knee surgeries ago, and now he is poised to make as much as Lucic and Marchand combined as a UFA. I would much sooner spend that money on those two, and yes both of their production is pretty close to what Parise was shown he can do on his new knee this past season. Boston's LW's are also only 23, younger than Parise was before he ever scored his lone 45 goal season. It is not a homer perspective to say they are better options and that their production is currently similar as individuals, dramatically better combined at the same cost. In Response to Re: The Realistic Move :

    Ok, how about 38 goals 2 years ago then?  I would consider a guy who has done it in the past (and is still young himself), much more of a likeliehood to do it again than a guy who can maybe do it but never has. 

    If you would like to start combining wingers from other lines that's fine, but I would rather have Clarkson and Parise (first and second line wingers) than march and lucic, and pay the extra 2-4 Mill a year. 

    It is no doubt a homer perspective for someone to say lucic and parise are the same guy but lucic is more physical.  Parise's worst season (taking out both of their rookie years), has been better than lucic's best.  Granted, lucic has had less years, but Parise has scored over 30 every year, lucic did it once.  If someone thinks those two guys are on the same level from a scoring threat and offensive talent perspective, there's nothing anyone can say to get the black and gold glasses off of them.

    You make it this either or assumption too, we have the space.  I would rather see Lucic, Marchand, and Parise as our 3 LW's with rask in net rather than see lucic marchand and tt.  Unless you can tell me TT will put up a 950 save % again, but according to your statements, past doesn't mean anything when looking to the future.  Or does that statement only apply to non bruins?

     
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    [QUOTE]So, going along with my theme that Seguin should be inserted as a center, here is my projected lineup (assuming of course that the injured are ready to go by the fall): Lucic-Krejci-Horton ?-Seguin-Marchand Pouliot(RFA)?-Bergeron-Peverley Caron-?-Thornton Chara-Boychuk Seidenberg-Hamilton/Krug McQauid-Ference TT Rask (RFA) So, barring any trades there are two spots open plus a veteran 7th d man needed. Marchand and Peverley can alternate positions if there is no chemistry between Rich and Seguin. This is also based on the assumption that Hamilton or Krug can step in and play regularly. Pouliot can be qualified if need be, at a 10% raise as is customary, as a stopgap. I do not, however, want to see him playing on the top 2 lines. The alignment above gives the Bruins scoring depth (three lines that are offensive threats). The wild cards of course is if Horton can come back and be productive and McQuaid can play regularly without residual side-effects of his injury. Kelly is not really needed in my opinion.
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    That sure looks good up the middle!

    Soooo, if you save Kelly's 3M potential contract and maybe move TT, that would give us enough cap for a Parise type talent on wing with seguin's line, plus all of savvy's cap hit and other money next year to sign seguin lucic etc to extensions...
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: The Realistic Move : Is this serious?  I like Lucic as much as the next guy, but if you think he and Parise are same level player, please go back to watching basketball.  Parise best year, 45 goals, Lucic best year 30 with 5 empty netters.  Parise has never scored less than 30 (other than rookie year), so to say he and lucic are same except lucic is bigger and more physical, is about the biggest homer statement that could be made. Krejci is a 50-60 point guy at best who just signed for 5.25M, you quote Parise worst season in the past 3 where he didnt break 70 (ok 69) points.  If you wouldn't pay 7M (which he will probably get) for a gamer like Parise who still scored 30+ and 70 pts after missing an entire season, and we know is closer to 35-45 goals a year and 80+ points, who would you pay for?  I love how Parise "couldnt break 70 pts", and how Lucic is a perennial 30 goal guy like Parise.  Lucic did it once!  With 5 empty netters!  I like Lucic, but common, don't put him out there as an elite goal scorer in the NHL like this guy.
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    I return the question. Are you serious? $7 million for a guy that DIDN'T miss a whole season. He played April on. He went through a full training camp and a full season. He had 2 MAJOR knee surgeries. I would hesitate to offer him more than he currently got until he can PROVE that he still has that same game breaking ability. Past accomplishments don't mean diddly when you have major knee surgeries and score 25 points less than your career highs, which is actually closer to the career average, which is exactly what you're quoting. He is by NO means a proven 40 goal scorer, he has exactly 1 pro season with more than 40.

    You're looking at 2 years of his career where he was PPG player (or better). Every other year he has played has been more of a ~60 point player. Oh that's interesting, so has Lucic... But enough with the sarcasm.

    Of course Parise is a better player than Lucic (points wise). He will get more than Lucic. But I just don't see him being worth more (than his current $6 mill) after this seasons body of work. Just my opinion. Obviously there is probably a GM somewhere that doesn't agree and will pay more.

    How about a better comparison. Marc Savard to Zach Parise. 4 mill for Savard, he averaged .87 PPG. Parise averages .81 PPG. How is he worth almost double what Savard was? Prior to injury at least.

    I'm not saying that Parise isn't an elite player. I'm just saying I don't think he's honestly worth $7 million.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: The Realistic Move : That sure looks good up the middle! Soooo, if you save Kelly's 3M potential contract and maybe move TT, that would give us enough cap for a Parise type talent on wing with seguin's line, plus all of savvy's cap hit and other money next year to sign seguin lucic etc to extensions...
    Posted by bigbadbruinsfan[/QUOTE]

    That's the spirit. I think we have become too accustomed to thinking a third line center has to be a defensive specialist only, like kelly. We have good center depth and should use it. Plus, if Seguin is not doing well as a center then maybe Peverley can be put in instead. He is also a natural centerman.

    Parise though may be be out of range. I truly think some GM will bet the farm on him. David Jones was an interesting idea but he is very inconsistent. I have not really looked at other serious alternatives as of yet but it may well be worth it to look into.
     
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    You can't read:

    I didn't say the past means nothing, I said it doesn't mean definite reproduction.
    I didn't say Lucic has the same offensive skill as Parise. He does score at a rate that is about 90% for 50% of the cost, brings a physical edge, is 5 years younger and improving rather than declining, and is healthier, so I would rather have him.

    Parise's 38 goal season was also pre-knee surgery. You can't seem to get that through your head.

    But I'm done with Parise comments. I started this thread to discuss realistic, likely options for the Bruins offseason. If you want to discuss the most expensive FA that might hit the market, stick to the Stanley thread about the moves PC should make. In that magical land we can also land Suter, trade for Ryan and possibly lure Gretzky out of retirement.

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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: The Realistic Move : [QUOTE]It is a falsehood to say that because someone has done something before means they will do it again, and because they haven't that they won't. Parise scored 45goals 3 years and 2 knee surgeries ago, and now he is poised to make as much as Lucic and Marchand combined as a UFA. I would much sooner spend that money on those two, and yes both of their production is pretty close to what Parise was shown he can do on his new knee this past season. Boston's LW's are also only 23, younger than Parise was before he ever scored his lone 45 goal season. It is not a homer perspective to say they are better options and that their production is currently similar as individuals, dramatically better combined at the same cost. In Response to Re: The Realistic Move : Ok, how about 38 goals 2 years ago then?  I would consider a guy who has done it in the past (and is still young himself), much more of a likeliehood to do it again than a guy who can maybe do it but never has.  If you would like to start combining wingers from other lines that's fine, but I would rather have Clarkson and Parise (first and second line wingers) than march and lucic, and pay the extra 2-4 Mill a year.  It is no doubt a homer perspective for someone to say lucic and parise are the same guy but lucic is more physical.  Parise's worst season (taking out both of their rookie years), has been better than lucic's best.  Granted, lucic has had less years, but Parise has scored over 30 every year, lucic did it once.  If someone thinks those two guys are on the same level from a scoring threat and offensive talent perspective, there's nothing anyone can say to get the black and gold glasses off of them. You make it this either or assumption too, we have the space.  I would rather see Lucic, Marchand, and Parise as our 3 LW's with rask in net rather than see lucic marchand and tt.  Unless you can tell me TT will put up a 950 save % again, but according to your statements, past doesn't mean anything when looking to the future.  Or does that statement only apply to non bruins?
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: The Realistic Move : I return the question. Are you serious? $7 million for a guy that DIDN'T miss a whole season. He played April on. He went through a full training camp and a full season. He had 2 MAJOR knee surgeries. I would hesitate to offer him more than he currently got until he can PROVE that he still has that same game breaking ability. Past accomplishments don't mean diddly when you have major knee surgeries and score 25 points less than your career highs, which is actually closer to the career average, which is exactly what you're quoting. He is by NO means a proven 40 goal scorer, he has exactly 1 pro season with more than 40. You're looking at 2 years of his career where he was PPG player (or better). Every other year he has played has been more of a ~60 point player. Oh that's interesting, so has Lucic... But enough with the sarcasm. Of course Parise is a better player than Lucic (points wise). He will get more than Lucic. But I just don't see him being worth more (than his current $6 mill) after this seasons body of work. Just my opinion. Obviously there is probably a GM somewhere that doesn't agree and will pay more. How about a better comparison. Marc Savard to Zach Parise. 4 mill for Savard, he averaged .87 PPG. Parise averages .81 PPG. How is he worth almost double what Savard was? Prior to injury at least. I'm not saying that Parise isn't an elite player. I'm just saying I don't think he's honestly worth $7 million.
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    Just watch the playoffs, he is a gamer with loads of talent, a rare combo.  Savard signed when the cap was 40Mill and the league was in a troubled phase, so % wise, would be similar to parise.  By the way, Savard carried much more baggage (offense only, not a team guy, only cared about himself and poionts multiple teams etc etc), and had a similar injury history.  Our PP with a guy like Savard, over 20% annually, without him, we know the answer to how bad it is.  So we can go on with guys like Lucic getting the lion share of PP time, or we can try to finally replace what Savard brought to the table.  We won the cup without Savvy, but we also had the best single season any goaltender has ever put up, is that something you want to bank on every year to win the cup?  Not me, I think we are just a guy or 2 away from years of cup contention (same can be said with the team as is, I'm not looking for a blow up, we just need an infusion of a talented offensive guy not named seguin)
     
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    Ok, how about 38 goals 2 years ago then?  I would consider a guy who has done it in the past (and is still young himself), much more of a likeliehood to do it again than a guy who can maybe do it but never has.  If you would like to start combining wingers from other lines that's fine, but I would rather have Clarkson and Parise (first and second line wingers) than march and lucic, and pay the extra 2-4 Mill a year.  It is no doubt a homer perspective for someone to say lucic and parise are the same guy but lucic is more physical.  Parise's worst season (taking out both of their rookie years), has been better than lucic's best.  Granted, lucic has had less years, but Parise has scored over 30 every year, lucic did it once.  If someone thinks those two guys are on the same level from a scoring threat and offensive talent perspective, there's nothing anyone can say to get the black and gold glasses off of them.
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    So basically you're saying that an additional 8 goals a year is worth another $4 million?

    Parise's worst better than Lucic's best? How do you figure? They both had 62 points. Lucic started in a different role than Parise. He didn't start on the first line.

    Who said they were on the same level? No one is saying Lucic is as good as Parise. What was said was that FOR THE MONEY I'd take Lucic over Parise. I don't see Parise as worth DOUBLE what Lucic makes. Parise isn't a 60 goal scorer 120 point guy. Therefore he's not worth it.

    You'd rather have Parise and Clarkson than Lucic and Marchand? ... Why? What does Clarkson bring? He randomly got 30 goals this year, almost double his former career high? No thanks. He probably won't break 20 again. So 40+20=60 and 29+28=57. 3 goals a year is worth 2-3 million to you? Jesus I wish I had your kinda money where a couple million is nothing to you.
     
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    The more I think about it, the more I like the idea. I also think it might be PC's plan, since he signed Peverley but not Kelly already. The team could probably bring in one quality winger. The proposed trade of Thomas for Purcell would work great, or the signing of David Jones or something similar.

    I think Seguin could thrive as a #3 center under Julien. DK had his most productive year in that role, 73pts. Surely Seguin could top even that which is in itself better than his 69pts from last year. A Purcell/Jones-Seguin-Peverley line could be nothing short of awesome. It would mean Bergeron assuming a more defensive role again, but that's always his matchup job anyway. With Marchand and Caron as wings he would still be able to score.

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    [QUOTE]So, going along with my theme that Seguin should be inserted as a center, here is my projected lineup (assuming of course that the injured are ready to go by the fall): Lucic-Krejci-Horton ?-Seguin-Marchand Pouliot(RFA)?-Bergeron-Peverley Caron-?-Thornton Chara-Boychuk Seidenberg-Hamilton/Krug McQauid-Ference TT Rask (RFA) So, barring any trades there are two spots open plus a veteran 7th d man needed. Marchand and Peverley can alternate positions if there is no chemistry between Rich and Seguin. This is also based on the assumption that Hamilton or Krug can step in and play regularly. Pouliot can be qualified if need be, at a 10% raise as is customary, as a stopgap. I do not, however, want to see him playing on the top 2 lines. The alignment above gives the Bruins scoring depth (three lines that are offensive threats). The wild cards of course is if Horton can come back and be productive and McQuaid can play regularly without residual side-effects of his injury. Kelly is not really needed in my opinion.
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: The Realistic Move : I return the question. Are you serious? $7 million for a guy that DIDN'T miss a whole season. He played April on. He went through a full training camp and a full season. He had 2 MAJOR knee surgeries. I would hesitate to offer him more than he currently got until he can PROVE that he still has that same game breaking ability. Past accomplishments don't mean diddly when you have major knee surgeries and score 25 points less than your career highs, which is actually closer to the career average, which is exactly what you're quoting. He is by NO means a proven 40 goal scorer, he has exactly 1 pro season with more than 40. You're looking at 2 years of his career where he was PPG player (or better). Every other year he has played has been more of a ~60 point player. Oh that's interesting, so has Lucic... But enough with the sarcasm. Of course Parise is a better player than Lucic (points wise). He will get more than Lucic. But I just don't see him being worth more (than his current $6 mill) after this seasons body of work. Just my opinion. Obviously there is probably a GM somewhere that doesn't agree and will pay more. How about a better comparison. Marc Savard to Zach Parise. 4 mill for Savard, he averaged .87 PPG. Parise averages .81 PPG. How is he worth almost double what Savard was? Prior to injury at least. I'm not saying that Parise isn't an elite player. I'm just saying I don't think he's honestly worth $7 million.
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    its up to the GM to make the Cap work - incorporating this year and who needs to be re-signed in future years. 

    If the question is would they be a better team with parise - no question.  would love to see him and Seguin on a line together.

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: The Realistic Move : Ok, how about 38 goals 2 years ago then?  I would consider a guy who has done it in the past (and is still young himself), much more of a likeliehood to do it again than a guy who can maybe do it but never has.  If you would like to start combining wingers from other lines that's fine, but I would rather have Clarkson and Parise (first and second line wingers) than march and lucic, and pay the extra 2-4 Mill a year.  It is no doubt a homer perspective for someone to say lucic and parise are the same guy but lucic is more physical.  Parise's worst season (taking out both of their rookie years), has been better than lucic's best.  Granted, lucic has had less years, but Parise has scored over 30 every year, lucic did it once.  If someone thinks those two guys are on the same level from a scoring threat and offensive talent perspective, there's nothing anyone can say to get the black and gold glasses off of them. Posted by bigbadbruinsfan[/QUOTE] So basically you're saying that an additional 8 goals a year is worth another $4 million? Parise's worst better than Lucic's best? How do you figure? They both had 62 points. Lucic started in a different role than Parise. He didn't start on the first line. Who said they were on the same level? No one is saying Lucic is as good as Parise. What was said was that FOR THE MONEY I'd take Lucic over Parise. I don't see Parise as worth DOUBLE what Lucic makes. Parise isn't a 60 goal scorer 120 point guy. Therefore he's not worth it. You'd rather have Parise and Clarkson than Lucic and Marchand? ... Why? What does Clarkson bring? He randomly got 30 goals this year, almost double his former career high? No thanks. He probably won't break 20 again. So 40+20=60 and 29+28=57. 3 goals a year is worth 2-3 million to you? Jesus I wish I had your kinda money where a couple million is nothing to you.
    Posted by lambda13[/QUOTE]

    Best worst was similar to your statement that lucic is a 30 goal guy so it's similar to parise gettin 30+ a year.  Parise worst year was 31 goals, lucic best was 30.  I would also rather have Krejci at his previous 3M contract, unfortunately it doesn't work like that, and Lucic will be paid next deal so enjoy one more year at 4M.  Parise has had 1 season as "damaged goods".  Just watch the guy when it's time to show up (olympics, playoffs, etc), he dominates, he works as hard as anyone on the ice, and he brings real offensive skill.  Something our PP and 1st line lack, so Parise or not, we need a guy who brings the savard factor upfront, unless you can tell me tuukka or tt will have a 950 save % throughout the playoffs, we need more talent at forward than constituted and Jones or Pouliot or insert 3rd line mucker, does not fit the bill.  We have the cap space, why not use it, instead of waiting mid season and spending that 6M on Rolston?
     
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    [QUOTE]The more I think about it, the more I like the idea. I also think it might be PC's plan, since he signed Peverley but not Kelly already. The team could probably bring in one quality winger. The proposed trade of Thomas for Purcell would work great, or the signing of David Jones or something similar. I think Seguin could thrive as a #3 center under Julien. DK had his most productive year in that role, 73pts. Surely Seguin could top even that which is in itself better than his 69pts from last year. A Purcell/Jones-Seguin-Peverley line could be nothing short of awesome. It would mean Bergeron assuming a more defensive role again, but that's always his matchup job anyway. With Marchand and Caron as wings he would still be able to score. In Response to Re: The Realistic Move :
    Posted by OatesCam[/QUOTE]

    That is exactly what I thought PC was doing too when he signed Peverely. It was either one or the other and Rich was picked because he has more offensive upside. Kelly was only averaging just over 14 minutes a game so I think having three viable scoring lines, with Seguin centering one, actually balances the minutes out even more in case one line is in a collective slump, which we saw most of the 2011-12 regular season (Nov-Dec being the exception).

    Purcell is an interesting story, he really came alive in the second half of the regular season. He is signed for a decent amount of money for next year so I find is hard to believe that TB would want to get rid of him. Don't want to bring it up, this is not what this thread is about, but maybe TT to TB for Purcell and a pick? The Lightning do need a #1 goalie. Then they can sign Roloson to a 1 year deal and have the oldest goaltending tandem in the league....lol.
     
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    Best worst was similar to your statement that lucic is a 30 goal guy so it's similar to parise gettin 30+ a year.  Parise worst year was 31 goals, lucic best was 30.  I would also rather have Krejci at his previous 3M contract, unfortunately it doesn't work like that, and Lucic will be paid next deal so enjoy one more year at 4M.  Parise has had 1 season as "damaged goods".  Just watch the guy when it's time to show up (olympics, playoffs, etc), he dominates, he works as hard as anyone on the ice, and he brings real offensive skill.  Something our PP and 1st line lack, so Parise or not, we need a guy who brings the savard factor upfront, unless you can tell me tuukka or tt will have a 950 save % throughout the playoffs, we need more talent at forward than constituted and Jones or Pouliot or insert 3rd line mucker, does not fit the bill.  We have the cap space, why not use it, instead of waiting mid season and spending that 6M on Rolston?
    Posted by bigbadbruinsfan[/QUOTE]

    Rolston played very well. Put him on the point on the PP and I think we're in good shape. I would love to have Parise. But I don't want him for $7 mill. That's pretty much what it comes down to. I don't think Lucic will get more than $5 million. He can't argue that he's more important than Bergeron.

    I've said I'd like to add Parise and others. Parise would be great in black and gold. Just saying I don't think he's worth $7 or 8 million right now. Needs to show he's still got it first.
     
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    I think trading Thomas is pretty realistic. It's not as likely as the Bruins picking up a third line wing, simply because that MUST happen, but it's possible. His no-trade is over, he has lots of short term value and they have a second good goaltender that needs a raise. Getting a player back who is also a pending FA makes a lot of sense from a trade perspective. I don't know that TB wants to give up Purcell, but I think most people would argue that Thomas is a more valuable player. I don't think a trade that saw something like Thomas/Pouliot/Bos 1st Rounder for Purcell/TB 1st Rounder is out of the question. I would be very pleased.

    In Response to Re: The Realistic Move:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: The Realistic Move : That is exactly what I thought PC was doing too when he signed Peverely. It was either one or the other and Rich was picked because he has more offensive upside. Kelly was only averaging just over 14 minutes a game so I think having three viable scoring lines, with Seguin centering one, actually balances the minutes out even more in case one line is in a collective slump, which we saw most of the 2011-12 regular eason (Nov-Dec being the exception). Purcell is an interesting story, he really came alive in the second half of the regular season. He is signed for a decent amount of money for next year so I find is hard to believe that TB would want to get rid of him. Don't want to bring it up, this is not what this thread is about, but maybe TT to TB for Purcell and a pick? The Lightning do need a #1 goalie. Then they can sign Roloson to a 1 year deal and have the oldest goaltending tandem in the league....lol.
    Posted by jmwalters[/QUOTE]
     
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    [QUOTE]I think trading Thomas is pretty realistic. It's not as likely as the Bruins picking up a third line wing, simply because that MUST happen, but it's possible. His no-trade is over, he has lots of short term value and they have a second good goaltender that needs a raise. Getting a player back who is also a pending FA makes a lot of sense from a trade perspective. I don't know that TB wants to give up Purcell, but I think most people would argue that Thomas is a more valuable player. I don't think a trade that saw something like Thomas/Pouliot/Bos 1st Rounder for Purcell/TB 1st Rounder is out of the question. I would be very pleased. In Response to Re: The Realistic Move :
    Posted by OatesCam[/QUOTE]

    Agreed. So the possible lineup with the trade you describe would look like this:

    Lucic-Krejci-Horton

    Purcell-Seguin-Marchand

    ?-Bergeron-Peverley

    Caron-?-Thornton

    Chara-Boychuk
    Seidenberg-Hamilton/Krug
    McQauid-Ference

    Rask (RFA)
    Khudobin

    Again, Peverely and Marchand could be interchangeable. So now there are still 2 forward positions and a possible depth dman needed. Assuming no prospects are ready for the NHL these need to come via free agency.
    Here's a list:


    http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl_free_agents_eastern_conference2012/


    http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl_free_agents_western_conference2012/

    Willie Mitchell would be a terrific pickup for D but his last contract was $3.5 million so it may be too much for a depth guy unless either Hamilton or Krug are not ready. Same with Bryce Salvador. Kent Huskins could be a viable option for a depth Dman. Also Sulzer from Buffalo is cost effective and he is used to a limited role.

    For the 4rth line I would love to see Moen but he is not a center so it is not likely. Maybe Slater from the Jets.

    For a third line winger, I am at a loss.
     
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    [QUOTE]So, going along with my theme that Seguin should be inserted as a center, here is my projected lineup (assuming of course that the injured are ready to go by the fall): Lucic-Krejci-Horton ?-Seguin-Marchand Pouliot(RFA)?-Bergeron-Peverley Caron-?-Thornton Chara-Boychuk Seidenberg-Hamilton/Krug McQauid-Ference TT Rask (RFA) So, barring any trades there are two spots open plus a veteran 7th d man needed. Marchand and Peverley can alternate positions if there is no chemistry between Rich and Seguin. This is also based on the assumption that Hamilton or Krug can step in and play regularly. Pouliot can be qualified if need be, at a 10% raise as is customary, as a stopgap. I do not, however, want to see him playing on the top 2 lines. The alignment above gives the Bruins scoring depth (three lines that are offensive threats). The wild cards of course is if Horton can come back and be productive and McQuaid can play regularly without residual side-effects of his injury. Kelly is not really needed in my opinion.
    Posted by jmwalters[/QUOTE]

    Please don't suggest putting Bergeron back as a 3rd line center....he led the team in ice time this  year and deserved every second of it

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: The Realistic Move : Please don't suggest putting Bergeron back as a 3rd line center....he led the team in ice time this  year and deserved every second of it
    Posted by Chappy28[/QUOTE]

    Actually Chappy the intent of my scenario is not to have Bergeron "replace Kelly" on the third line but to transform the first three lines as equally balanced that have primary offensive and defensive capabilities. What this would mean for Bergeron is not just having Kelly's 14 minutes a game (which was all Kelly was playing) but to balance equally the first three lines in icetime.

    In fact, Bergeron would not be replacing Kelly at all. In short, there really would not need to be a designated 1st, 2nd, or 3rd line, until perhaps one line gets hot and then maybe they would see an increase in relative minutes. This is the very definition of depth. The only line that would probably see a minute decrease would be the 4rth line. I am fine with this.

    We have three capable centers who can play defence and put up points. It is my view the team should use it to their advantage. The team would not need a "shutdown line" which is really just a euphemism for a third line that is good defensively but is not consistent offensively. The team has the depth at center and now needs to build depth on the wings, as per my plan in the previous posts. Just an idea anyway.
     
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