Re: Thornton & Marleau get extensions
posted at 1/27/2014 11:38 AM EST
In response to cowboys9's comment:
In response to Ergoetal's comment:
Man , there isn't anything you have stated that is even remotely accurate....you couldn't be more wrong about Thorton... I don't think you really know the player or watched closely......Thorton will be a first ballot HOF.... Were you missing in action in 2006 when he won the Hart and Art Ross trophies? Only player in NHL history to do that playing for two teams.. Among active players he ranks 3rd in scoring all time... Top 50 all time , by the time he finishes Top 10...he has racked up 1000 PIM... You don't get that playing soft Bud, and you certainly don't make him your captain if that was the case...I think quite a few were a few fights With some tough players.....Look it up...
Thornton is soft, though. The thing with Getzlaff was out of context, as if the coach had said something like "Hey, you're a big guy, can you please do something here to help us out?"
He's easily stopped by smaller guys, loses board battles and turns the puck over with regularity, gets tossed around by other big guys -- see what Soderberg did to him in the last Bs game? -- and tell me, does he ever hit someone, like, hard?
His last few years here he and Bs management were complaining that opposing players players were holding him, roughing, etc.
The thing is, he had (has?) the talent to be huge in the game, but he rarely showed it. He's happy to stay in his comfort zone and ring up the assists. If he was smaller it might not matter so much. But the fact that he's a big strong guy with good hands, etc. means that he's a role model to others on the team, and he's just never shown much in terms of heart.
Yeah your right he has had very little impact on the game....
It's funny to read the usual accusation that someone hasn't watched the player followed by such a schmozz of things that have nothing to do with watching the player.
2005-06 was one of two (maybe three) years that Joe Thornton played like the player the Bruins drafted. The other was under Keenan who refused to accept Thornton playing soft. Forced to play a more aggressive style and use his size and shote, Thornton had what's still his best season in goals with 37. Two years later, he had his best year as a Bruin, and had his second and last 30+ goal season. In that stretch - those three years plus 2003-04 - he had about 44% of his career total in penalty minutes - 441. The first year back after the lockout, he had a grand total of 6 PiM in 23 games before the trade. He went back to being a pass-first playmaker, not an all-around dominant franchise player.
But when he was traded? Well, then he played like a guy with somethng to prove and he had the most dominant season of his career. And once he felt like he'd showed 'em, he has let that fire slowly fade. Both his goal total and his PiM totals have declined every year. With rare exceptions where someone else initiates the fight (why would you wake up sleepy Joe?), he really hasn't tried to use his size other than to shield the puck for years. The last three years? Joe's PiMs are 31, 26, and 10 for this year. Ales "Charmin" Hemsky is 43, 16, and 16.
As for his being the Captain. He's the most skilled, tenured vet. He's such a great passer he's racked up HoF totals and barely touched what he was capable of being. And he's led them to nothing. The saddest part of the JT Superstar story is when you look at what he has accomplished, he's done it on talent alone. If, in every season, he matched the work ethic of the few years where he was made uncomfortable, we'd be talking about one of the best players of all time. And in a Bruin uniform, most likely.