Oh and as for the criminal investigation... 1905 - Allan Loney is charged with manslaughter in the on-ice clubbing death of Alcide Laurin . Loney claimed self-defence, and was found not guilty. [ 4 ] 1907 - Ottawa Senators players Harry Smith , Alf Smith and Charles Spittal were charged with assault after beating Montreal Wanderers players, Hod Stuart , Ernie "Moose" Johnson and Cecil Blatchford with their sticks. 1907 - Ottawa Victorias player Charles Masson is charged with manslaughter after Cornwall player Owen McCourt dies of a head wound sustained in a brawl. Masson is found not guilty on the grounds that there was no way to know which blow had killed McCourt. [ 5 ] 1922 - Sprague Cleghorn injured three Ottawa Senators players in a brawl, leading Ottawa police to offer to arrest him. 1969 - In a pre-season game held in Ottawa, Ted Green of the Boston Bruins and Wayne Maki of the St.Louis Blues engaged in a violent, stick-swinging brawl. A fractured skull and brain damage caused Green to miss the entire 1969–1970 NHL season. [ 6 ] The NHL suspended Maki for 30 days and Green for 13 games. Both men were acquitted in court. 1975 - Dan Maloney of the Detroit Red Wings was charged with assault causing bodily harm after he attacked Brian Glennie of the Toronto Maple Leafs from behind. In exchange for a no-contest plea, Maloney did community service work and was banned from playing in Toronto for two seasons. 1975 - Police charged Bruins player Dave Forbes with aggravated assault after a fight with Henry Boucha of the Minnesota North Stars. After a nine-day trial ended with a hung jury, charges against Forbes were dropped. 1976 - Philadelphia Flyers players Joe Watson , Mel Bridgman , Don Saleski and Bob "Hound" Kelly were charged with assault after using their hockey sticks as weapons in a violent playoff game between the Flyers and the Toronto Maple Leafs in which fans had been taunting the Flyers players and spitting at them. Bridgman was acquitted, but the other three Flyers were found guilty of simple assault. 1976 - Calgary Cowboys forward Rick Jodzio plead guilty to a charge of assault following a cross-check to the head of Quebec Nordiques player Marc Tardif during the World Hockey Association playoffs. The hit led to a 20-minute bench clearing brawl. [ 7 ] 1977 - Dave "Tiger" Williams of the Toronto Maple Leafs hit Pittsburgh Penguin Dennis Owchar with his stick. He was charged with assault, but acquitted. 1982 - Jimmy Mann of the Winnipeg Jets left the bench and sucker-punched Pittsburgh Penguin Paul Gardner , breaking Gardner's jaw in two places. Mann was fined $500 and given a suspended sentence in Winnipeg. 1988 - Dino Ciccarelli hit Leafs defenceman Luke Richardson with his stick. Charged and convicted of assault, he was sentenced to one day in jail and fined $1,000. 1998 - Jesse Boulerice of the Plymouth Whalers was suspended for the rest of the playoffs after violently swinging his stick at Guelph Storm forward Andrew Lang. Boulerice was charged with assault as a result of the incident. 2000 - Marty McSorley of the Boston Bruins hit Vancouver Canuck Donald Brashear in the head with his stick in the waning moments of the game, after losing a fight to Brashear earlier in the game. McSorley was convicted of assault with a weapon and given an 18-month conditional discharge. 2004 - After repeated failed attempts at instigating a fight, Todd Bertuzzi of the Vancouver Canucks sucker-punched Steve Moore of the Colorado Avalanche in the back of the head, knocking Moore unconscious. The pair then fell to the ice with Bertuzzi's weight crushing Moore face-first into the ice, followed by several players from both teams further piling onto the mêlée . Moore sustained three fractured vertebrae, a grade three concussion , vertebral ligament damage, stretching of the brachial plexus nerves, and facial lacerations. Bertuzzi was charged by police, and given a conditional discharge after pleading guilty to assault causing bodily harm. His suspension resulted in a loss of $500,000 in pay and the Canucks were fined $250,000. Bertuzzi was re-instated in 2005; Moore has not played since and made several unsuccessful attempts at civil litigation. So yeah... Hysteria...
Posted by Wedgy-Dunlop

kennedy... i'm going to resort to pure logic in trying to get my point across:  IF montreal had padded stanchions, THEN there would have not been a serious injury.  no serious injury.... not a freak accident. there that was easy, not as complicated as people are making it out to be.
Posted by adkbeesfan

In Response to Re: Thoughts from Montreal : "Am probably done", I'll bet on the "probably"... Funny how I say things and you twist them around, and convince yourself that "being impolite" has something to do with your self proclaimed winning arguments.  Bringing into the discussion aspects that you have a hard time understanding doesn't necessarily make these aspects irrelevant, or "left field".  You're incredible... and kind of funny and entertaining to read, for I wouldn't be replying so frequently if it wasn't somewhat amusing.  You ask me to back up things I say... and you seem to be pretty resistant to the idea that profits are linked to violence... Here, I made an effort... Variations in NHL attendance: the impact of violence, scoring, and regional rivalries - Discrimination and The NHL American Journal of Economics and Sociology, The , April, 2003 by Rodney J. Paul (Parts of the article) The scoring variables reveal an interesting result. To win games, teams obviously need to score, which means that the team record and goals are correlated figures. It appears, however; that within this sample higher scoring teams tend to have lower attendance. This is true for both the U.S. and Canadian teams. This could arise from fans preferring to see a more physical style of game (see the violence effect below) rather than a more wide-open contest. The previous season's goal total was found to be significant and negative for both U.S. and Canadian teams, while the coefficient on the goals per game variable was negative, but only significant in the U.S. sample. The fights per game for the home team, the proxy for violence, is found to be highly significant and positive across the sample. For teams in the United States it is more pronounced than for the Canadian teams, but both coefficients are large and positive. This is slightly different than the findings of Jones, Stewart, and Sunderman (1996), who studied violence a decade earlier. They found a negative impact on attendance for Canadian teams who tend to fight. Despite the NHL's efforts to minimize fighting and violence, it appears to be a very strong determinant of attendance across cities within the league. ... Conclusions The empirical results revealed that teams that fight more often tend to draw more fans. This was consistent across countries in terms of a positive influence, although the size of the coefficients reveals that this effect is magnified in the United States . Even though the NHL has tried to crack down on violence through rule changes and the league has been criticized in the media for incidents such as the Marty McSorley trial, violence still tends to draw fans to the arena . The scoring side was more surprising. It appears that for teams that have the same level of regular season and playoff success, more scoring actually decreases attendance . The coefficients on past scoring and the goals per game average were both found to be negative and significant. Although the NHL has made rule changes in recent years to increase scoring, the impact may not help team revenues. It appears that fans prefer teams that win and have tendencies toward fighting and violence, as opposed to high-scoring, low-violence teams. ____________________ So yeah... you're intellectually limited... So that's it for what you considered being me throwing you ammunitions... If you "vehemently disagree" with what I said, and backed up with evidence (which honestly, I don't think was needed), you probably didn't get what your father meant when he told you "Do as I say, not as I do.."   Yeah... so you better have a solid counter-argument to disrespectfully dismiss economic factors in the league decisions to erradicate violence...  If it's too hard for you to expand the discussion from the Chara-stanchion-Pachio-hysteria blah blah, keep on yappin' BS.    
Posted by Wedgy-Dunlop

Oh and as for the criminal investigation... 1905 - Allan Loney is charged with manslaughter in the on-ice clubbing death of Alcide Laurin . Loney claimed self-defence, and was found not guilty. [ 4 ] 1907 - Ottawa Senators players Harry Smith , Alf Smith and Charles Spittal were charged with assault after beating Montreal Wanderers players, Hod Stuart , Ernie "Moose" Johnson and Cecil Blatchford with their sticks. 1907 - Ottawa Victorias player Charles Masson is charged with manslaughter after Cornwall player Owen McCourt dies of a head wound sustained in a brawl. Masson is found not guilty on the grounds that there was no way to know which blow had killed McCourt. [ 5 ] 1922 - Sprague Cleghorn injured three Ottawa Senators players in a brawl, leading Ottawa police to offer to arrest him. 1969 - In a pre-season game held in Ottawa, Ted Green of the Boston Bruins and Wayne Maki of the St.Louis Blues engaged in a violent, stick-swinging brawl. A fractured skull and brain damage caused Green to miss the entire 1969–1970 NHL season. [ 6 ] The NHL suspended Maki for 30 days and Green for 13 games. Both men were acquitted in court. 1975 - Dan Maloney of the Detroit Red Wings was charged with assault causing bodily harm after he attacked Brian Glennie of the Toronto Maple Leafs from behind. In exchange for a no-contest plea, Maloney did community service work and was banned from playing in Toronto for two seasons. 1975 - Police charged Bruins player Dave Forbes with aggravated assault after a fight with Henry Boucha of the Minnesota North Stars. After a nine-day trial ended with a hung jury, charges against Forbes were dropped. 1976 - Philadelphia Flyers players Joe Watson , Mel Bridgman , Don Saleski and Bob "Hound" Kelly were charged with assault after using their hockey sticks as weapons in a violent playoff game between the Flyers and the Toronto Maple Leafs in which fans had been taunting the Flyers players and spitting at them. Bridgman was acquitted, but the other three Flyers were found guilty of simple assault. 1976 - Calgary Cowboys forward Rick Jodzio plead guilty to a charge of assault following a cross-check to the head of Quebec Nordiques player Marc Tardif during the World Hockey Association playoffs. The hit led to a 20-minute bench clearing brawl. [ 7 ] 1977 - Dave "Tiger" Williams of the Toronto Maple Leafs hit Pittsburgh Penguin Dennis Owchar with his stick. He was charged with assault, but acquitted. 1982 - Jimmy Mann of the Winnipeg Jets left the bench and sucker-punched Pittsburgh Penguin Paul Gardner , breaking Gardner's jaw in two places. Mann was fined $500 and given a suspended sentence in Winnipeg. 1988 - Dino Ciccarelli hit Leafs defenceman Luke Richardson with his stick. Charged and convicted of assault, he was sentenced to one day in jail and fined $1,000. 1998 - Jesse Boulerice of the Plymouth Whalers was suspended for the rest of the playoffs after violently swinging his stick at Guelph Storm forward Andrew Lang. Boulerice was charged with assault as a result of the incident. 2000 - Marty McSorley of the Boston Bruins hit Vancouver Canuck Donald Brashear in the head with his stick in the waning moments of the game, after losing a fight to Brashear earlier in the game. McSorley was convicted of assault with a weapon and given an 18-month conditional discharge. 2004 - After repeated failed attempts at instigating a fight, Todd Bertuzzi of the Vancouver Canucks sucker-punched Steve Moore of the Colorado Avalanche in the back of the head, knocking Moore unconscious. The pair then fell to the ice with Bertuzzi's weight crushing Moore face-first into the ice, followed by several players from both teams further piling onto the mêlée . Moore sustained three fractured vertebrae, a grade three concussion , vertebral ligament damage, stretching of the brachial plexus nerves, and facial lacerations. Bertuzzi was charged by police, and given a conditional discharge after pleading guilty to assault causing bodily harm. His suspension resulted in a loss of $500,000 in pay and the Canucks were fined $250,000. Bertuzzi was re-instated in 2005; Moore has not played since and made several unsuccessful attempts at civil litigation. So yeah... Hysteria...
Posted by Wedgy-Dunlop

In Response to Re: Thoughts from Montreal : I doubt any lawsuit will hold water.  And there have been around 700 hockey games played at the Molson/Bell Centre since it opened.  Now, I'm not saying "don't reconfigure" or "don't better pad the stanchion" but if this was clearly the dangerous workplace you say it is, how come this kind of issue in Montreal is rare (and until recently, nonexistent). The answer: while the stanchion can be improved, it was still a "freak accident". I know you want to point fingers at the Habs because you're a Bruins fan, but that's really more of what your point is based on than any real concern about workplace safety.
Posted by Kennedy97

Let's call it a day. Cheers ! THE END
Posted by Wedgy-Dunlop

Let's call it a day. Cheers ! THE END
Posted by Wedgy-Dunlop

In Response to Re: Thoughts from Montreal : "Am probably done", I'll bet on the "probably"... Funny how I say things and you twist them around, and convince yourself that "being impolite" has something to do with your self proclaimed winning arguments.  Bringing into the discussion aspects that you have a hard time understanding doesn't necessarily make these aspects irrelevant, or "left field".  You're incredible... and kind of funny and entertaining to read, for I wouldn't be replying so frequently if it wasn't somewhat amusing.  You ask me to back up things I say... and you seem to be pretty resistant to the idea that profits are linked to violence... Here, I made an effort... Variations in NHL attendance: the impact of violence, scoring, and regional rivalries - Discrimination and The NHL American Journal of Economics and Sociology, The , April, 2003 by Rodney J. Paul (Parts of the article) The scoring variables reveal an interesting result. To win games, teams obviously need to score, which means that the team record and goals are correlated figures. It appears, however; that within this sample higher scoring teams tend to have lower attendance. This is true for both the U.S. and Canadian teams. This could arise from fans preferring to see a more physical style of game (see the violence effect below) rather than a more wide-open contest. The previous season's goal total was found to be significant and negative for both U.S. and Canadian teams, while the coefficient on the goals per game variable was negative, but only significant in the U.S. sample. The fights per game for the home team, the proxy for violence, is found to be highly significant and positive across the sample. For teams in the United States it is more pronounced than for the Canadian teams, but both coefficients are large and positive. This is slightly different than the findings of Jones, Stewart, and Sunderman (1996), who studied violence a decade earlier. They found a negative impact on attendance for Canadian teams who tend to fight. Despite the NHL's efforts to minimize fighting and violence, it appears to be a very strong determinant of attendance across cities within the league. ... Conclusions The empirical results revealed that teams that fight more often tend to draw more fans. This was consistent across countries in terms of a positive influence, although the size of the coefficients reveals that this effect is magnified in the United States . Even though the NHL has tried to crack down on violence through rule changes and the league has been criticized in the media for incidents such as the Marty McSorley trial, violence still tends to draw fans to the arena . The scoring side was more surprising. It appears that for teams that have the same level of regular season and playoff success, more scoring actually decreases attendance . The coefficients on past scoring and the goals per game average were both found to be negative and significant. Although the NHL has made rule changes in recent years to increase scoring, the impact may not help team revenues. It appears that fans prefer teams that win and have tendencies toward fighting and violence, as opposed to high-scoring, low-violence teams. ____________________ So yeah... you're intellectually limited... So that's it for what you considered being me throwing you ammunitions... If you "vehemently disagree" with what I said, and backed up with evidence (which honestly, I don't think was needed), you probably didn't get what your father meant when he told you "Do as I say, not as I do.."   Yeah... so you better have a solid counter-argument to disrespectfully dismiss economic factors in the league decisions to erradicate violence...  If it's too hard for you to expand the discussion from the Chara-stanchion-Pachio-hysteria blah blah, keep on yappin' BS.    
Posted by Wedgy-Dunlop

Hey, ladies, here's a video to close this thread.  A tribute to our rivalry.  Let's hope our mutual hate lives on for years to come.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suYsb12Wf1I&feature=related
Posted by Wedgy-Dunlop

Hey, ladies, here's a video to close this thread.  A tribute to our rivalry.  Let's hope our mutual hate lives on for years to come.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suYsb12Wf1I&feature=related
Posted by Wedgy-Dunlop

Hey, ladies, here's a video to close this thread.  A tribute to our rivalry.  Let's hope our mutual hate lives on for years to come.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suYsb12Wf1I&feature=related
Posted by Wedgy-Dunlop

Bettman admitted to Jeremy Fillosa, off the record, that they didn't want to have pre-determined suspensions 'cause they wouldn't want to face the problem of an automatic 20 games suspension to a player like Sidney Crosby.
Posted by Wedgy-Dunlop