Re: Tim Thomas Had a one liner today on his face book
posted at 7/28/2012 8:09 PM EDT
In Response to Re: Tim Thomas Had a one liner today on his face book
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Tim Thomas Had a one liner today on his face book : The argument you make rests largely on repeating that the Bible "specifically endorses" slavery. It is a specious one. Its actual a common argument made by secular opponents (like yourself) of religion ie Christianity. To draw a correlation to the "American style" of slavery and the one being practiced in the Biblical era is highly unreasonable. And without going into great detail, the only way a Hebrew would come "to own" another person was if said person SOLD themselves into slavery due to economic disaster ie. being a debtor. I forget which passage it comes from, however, scripture quotes the conditions under which the INDENTURED SERVANT works to pay off their debts and then is free to leave WITH gifts from their owner to start their new life. The Bible does indeed recognize what was a common practice at the time not the racist practice of African slavery at all which you are trying to draw a moral equivalency to. To look at human events through a present day lens invites the inability to understand the past in its proper context, ie see the truth.
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It's interesting that you make this point, because regardless of whether you are right or not (and I don't know enough about history to judge the accuracy of your statements,.. it seems reasonable) this ultimately is why religious texts are so dangerous in the first place: everyone has their own interpretation of the texts, and the "truth", that is, the authors intention when writing the text, is often buried. This fact lead many of the slave-owners of the south to outspokenly endorse slavery as if it were mandated by God.
It's ridiculously easy to open the book and use it's language to support an immoral position (with "it's language" being an obvious source of error given all the different translations). Why an omniscient, omnipotent author would ever write such an easily misunderstood text to serve as a guide for the future of mankind is a question for another time.
But anyways, I don't know what position you are coming from. My guess is you either believe everything in the bible to be true, and somehow misunderstood by human readers, or you just have a beef with this specious argument and are sick of hearing it used in the public forum.
If your coming from position #2, let me know and I'll drop it and research your claims because it's pretty interesting.
If your coming from position #1, The biblical endorsement or non-endorsement of slavery is still a non-sequitur when it comes to proving the veracity of any of it's truth claims. But anyways, there are plenty of other reasons to doubt this text was written by an omniscient deity that is supremely moral, and I would look at the treatment of children, the treatment of women, the genocide of the amalekites (and the furor of God @ Saul for not killing everyone), the widespread references to animal and human sacrifice, the immoral commandment for Abraham to kill his own son, the idea that non-christians deserve to suffer for eternity for not believing in God on insufficient evidence, I could go on and on.
I would also expect that the genesis story would be "a bit" more nuanced than the story that motivates the masses to protest evolution in schools. Maybe it would reference the gene, or maybe it would be compatible with what we now know about the expansion of the universe, maybe it could reference the other hundreds of billions of other stars in our own galaxy and the hundreds of billions of other galaxies. There is nothing in this book about the physical universe that could not have already by known by a 1st century farmer.
So perhaps, the whole book is designed to make us doubt it (which it does an excellent job at doing) But there is no way to verify much of anything in the book, and given all of the other books out there that make conflicting claims to divine authorship...perhaps, just maybe, it is a work of human authorship.