Times FINALLY almost up for the Coyotes

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    Times FINALLY almost up for the Coyotes

    http://arizonasports.com/43/1518282/Report-NHL-could-be-exploring-Plan-B-for-Coyotes

    Darren Dreger's saying that if a sale doesn't come together this week, the NHL is going to start agressively pursuing plan B.


    "Unless progress is made this week in sale of Coyotes.NHL will begin Plan B investigation next wk. Seattle, Que City, Vegas and KC in mix."

     
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    Anywhere but Quebec City. One Quebec teams is more than anyone can handle.


    KC would be stupid. I'm hoping for Seattle.
     
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    Not sure how I feel about Vegas. What a debaucherous city for young millionaires.
     
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    Not to mention the whole legalized gambling thing which is why sports leagues have mainly avoided Las Vegas in the past. Also, Vegas has been absolutely pummeled by the recession. Nevada has a 12.7 unemployment rate right now, highest in the USA. They also have the highest foreclosure rate. Doesn't bode well from an economic perspective. Seattle is likely the best long term solution, but for the first few seasons they'd be stuck playing in a rink with terrible sight lines that only seats 11,000 for hockey.

    My question with KC remains whether Missouri can support two NHL franchises. St. Louis has had a number of financial struggles in the past, despite the Blues being well established. They've almost been moved twice that I'm aware of (they were actually sold to Saskatoon, but the league kiboshed the move).

    Quebec would support them, but I don't trust Pelladeau as an owner, and there is no set plan for a rink yet.

    The ones Drger doesn't mention - Milwaukee and Saskatoon, just aren't viable options right now either (Milwaukee because of an arena and Saskatoon because of population base). There's no really solid options out there right now for a move, but Seattle's likely the best.
     
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    red, I think it would be the exact opposite if they were to get a franchise in Vegas. It would create hundreds of jobs. Would be a great boost for their economy. I don't like the idea of professional teams in Vegas, but it would certainly help their economy.

     
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    red, I think it would be the exact opposite if they were to get a franchise in Vegas. It would create hundreds of jobs. Would be a great boost for their economy. I don't like the idea of professional teams in Vegas, but it would certainly help their economy.
    Posted by lambda13


    Glendale made that exact same argument, and sure hasn't worked out well for them. It may help, but likely not enough to make the team viable.
     
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    Glendale didn't have the pre-established business that Vegas does. Apples to oranges in my opinion.

    But hey never know, I'm not a fortune teller! lol
     
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    Glendale didn't have the pre-established business that Vegas does. Apples to oranges in my opinion. But hey never know, I'm not a fortune teller! lol
    Posted by lambda13


    True me, neither. but when 1 in every 8 people doesn't have a job, and most of those that do aren't making huge bucks, I'd just be concerned about getting a season-ticket holder base.
     
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    I think Vegas is a bad idea for a number of reasons, but mostly what red mentioned.  There is also a mad rush in practically every US state to loophole gambling laws and build casinos like Foxwoods and Mohegan Sun, so you have to wonder if the Vegas economy built on gambling and excess (in a horribly impractical geographic location) isn't a house of cards waiting to collapse.

    I think Seattle is the best bet, but I am not as familiar with Canadian demographics as others.  Is Hamilton off the table?

    I wish there was an economic boom in Hartford.  It would be cool to have another New England team and I actually miss the Whalers.  But I also accept reality.
     
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    IMO, any place that is a hockey area is best (QC, Sask. Milwaukee). I could see Seattle but won't the Canucks cry that it will eat at their base (i.e how the Leafs cry about Hamilton)?
     
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    I think Vegas is a bad idea for a number of reasons, but mostly what red mentioned.  There is also a mad rush in practically every US state to loophole gambling laws and build casinos like Foxwoods and Mohegan Sun, so you have to wonder if the Vegas economy built on gambling and excess (in a horribly impractical geographic location) isn't a house of cards waiting to collapse. I think Seattle is the best bet, but I am not as familiar with Canadian demographics as others.  Is Hamilton off the table? I wish there was an economic boom in Hartford.  It would be cool to have another New England team and I actually miss the Whalers.  But I also accept reality.
    Posted by Fletcher1


    The market and population base id definitely in place for Hamilton - but there's a bunch of hurdles (the aging Copps colisuem, no viable owner with Ballsillie out of the picture, and close proximity to TO and Buffalo) that they just won't clear.

    And seobrien - Seattle's not anywhere near as close to Van as Hamilton is to Buffalo and Toronto. The NHL's rules say a teams territorial limits extend 50 miles in all directions from the city's outer border. Seattles about 150 miles away from Van. Also, The Canucks are top dog in Van, nothing is going to change that, and if you look at the combined populations, I think it's close to 7 million people that live in the Seattle to Vancouver corridor, more than enough to handle two teams.
     
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    Seattle makes sense to me. Fairly high income per capita, plenty of high income population and businesses to buy season tix. Significant media market as well.

    I don't think its proximity to Vancouver is a long-term issue. They are just far enough apart to make it work. 140 miles away and about 2.5 hours by car if traffic cooperates (which rarely happens).
     
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    Anywhere but Quebec City. One Quebec teams is more than anyone can handle. KC would be stupid. I'm hoping for Seattle.
    Posted by Bisson1


    Biss, surely you remember the epic battles between the Habs and Nords? That is certainly worth revisiting and will take some of the spotlight away from MTL and their eccentricities.
     
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    I hope they go to Quebec, not sure about the other sites buit you know their is a passion for it. Thats good enough for me.
     
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    Seattle makes sense to me. Fairly high income per capita, plenty of high income population and businesses to buy season tix. Significant media market as well. I don't think its proximity to Vancouver is a long-term issue. They are just far enough apart to make it work. 140 miles away and about 2.5 hours by car if traffic cooperates (which rarely happens).
    Posted by WalkTheLine

    It works for the Oilers and Flames.
     
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    Seattle makes sense to me. Fairly high income per capita, plenty of high income population and businesses to buy season tix. Significant media market as well. I don't think its proximity to Vancouver is a long-term issue. They are just far enough apart to make it work. 140 miles away and about 2.5 hours by car if traffic cooperates (which rarely happens).
    Posted by WalkTheLine


    Agreed, they may draw some Canadians from the border towns like Langley and White Rock (thanks to traffic sometimes, depending on how congested the border is, you can drive to Seattle faster from White Rock than it takes to get from White Rock to downtown Vancouver). But I can't see them drawing significant numbers from the Canucks. In fact the natural rivalry could benefit both teams with sales, as I know plenty of Canucks fans who would head south to watch the Nucks vs the Sockeyes? And I'm sure some Seattle fans would do the same.
     
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    Sockeyes? lol   I like it but I think it's a darkhorse candidate. They would probably come up with something boring like Gulls or Grizzlies. Lumberjacks? The fans would call them The 'Jacks. However, everytime I would hear the name the Monty Python skit/song would pop in to my head! lol. Yeah Sockeyes is sounding better by the minute!
     
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    Sockeyes? lol   I like it but I think it's a darkhorse candidate. They would probably come up with something boring like Gulls or Grizzlies. Lumberjacks? The fans would call them The 'Jacks. However, everytime I would hear the name the Monty Python skit/song would pop in to my head! lol. Yeah Sockeyes is sounding better by the minute!
    Posted by WalkTheLine


    Thought of that first because I remembered seeing this jersey concept.

    http://www.puckdrawn.com/photos/seattle/seattle_sockeyes_muraro.html
     
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    Oh god red, please no. Those are awful.
     
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    Not saying they're any good, ;) Just what came to mind.
     
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    Haha god those make me want to barf worse than the original Yote uniforms.

    Remember that awful cartoonish coyote with the funky green brown tan and red colors?
     
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    Haha god those make me want to barf worse than the original Yote uniforms. Remember that awful cartoonish coyote with the funky green brown tan and red colors?
    Posted by lambda13


    Worst NHL jersey ever. Close runner up, the Vancouver giant V sweater.

    Red - that jersey is making me rethink my Lumberjacks choice.
     
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    WTL get a big ole picture of Paul Bunyon... That would make more sense in the Dakota's though. I just don't think a fish if a good idea. How about the Seatle Wolves or Huskies or something. Keep it with the dog idea. I like that.
     
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    In Response to Re: Times FINALLY almost up for the Coyotes : Biss, surely you remember the epic battles between the Habs and Nords? That is certainly worth revisiting and will take some of the spotlight away from MTL and their eccentricities.
    Posted by jaywall


    That was before my time, too young to remember anything pre lockout tbh. Traveling would completely suck if they did go to Quebec City.. wonder if they did would Columbus come to the east, and Quebec to the west?
     
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    In Response to Re: Times FINALLY almost up for the Coyotes : That was before my time, too young to remember anything pre lockout tbh. Traveling would completely suck if they did go to Quebec City.. wonder if they did would Columbus come to the east, and Quebec to the west?
    Posted by Bisson1


    Just realized that Columbus thing made absoultely no sense at all cause both teams are in the West and it won't let me edit my post lol.

    But I wonder if we would see a east-west swap.... maybe Winipeg.
     
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