Top 30 Bruins of All Time?

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    Top 30 Bruins of All Time?

    Really, this will be weighted to the last 90 years or so.

    Sportsnet did this in magazine form for the Laffs.  Ron Ellis #1 (good call), Armstrong, Salming, Sittler and Sundin rounding out the top ten.  Gilmour and Clark in the 'teens (short timers).  Lots of guys like Apps and Connacher and Kennedy.  Not a lot of recent glory....

    Fun to do this with the Bruins?

    1 - Orr

    2 - Bourque

    3 - Schmidt

    4 - Shore

    5 - Esposito

    6 - Neely

    7 - Middleton

    8 - Bucyk

    9 - Cheevers

    10 - O'Reilly

    ...

    Now it starts to get dicey.  Am I missing anyone from "the Pantheon"?  Guys like Hitchman and Clapper had their numbers retired, and probably belong on here somewhere, but they aren't in this group.  Same with Cashman and Hodge - they're on the list but how high?  And where do you put some of the more recent players like Thornton (ugh) or Bergeron or TT?

     
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    Is Borque #2 just because he played when most of us were alive? I know he's in top 5, but didn't someone like Eddie Shore actually redefine the position at the time he was playing? All lists will be prjudicially weighted towards the present, I'd guess. I don't really know if Dit Clapper should be # 7 or # 15? Of current players I'd think Chara and TT would both be in all-time top 20.

     
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    In response to Bookboy007's comment:

    Really, this will be weighted to the last 90 years or so.

    Sportsnet did this in magazine form for the Laffs.  Ron Ellis #1 (good call), Armstrong, Salming, Sittler and Sundin rounding out the top ten.  Gilmour and Clark in the 'teens (short timers).  Lots of guys like Apps and Connacher and Kennedy.  Not a lot of recent glory....

    Fun to do this with the Bruins?

    1 - Orr

    2 - Bourque

    3 - Schmidt

    4 - Shore

    5 - Esposito

    6 - Neely

    7 - Middleton

    8 - Bucyk

    9 - Cheevers

    10 - O'Reilly

    ...

    Now it starts to get dicey.  Am I missing anyone from "the Pantheon"?  Guys like Hitchman and Clapper had their numbers retired, and probably belong on here somewhere, but they aren't in this group.  Same with Cashman and Hodge - they're on the list but how high?  And where do you put some of the more recent players like Thornton (ugh) or Bergeron or TT?



    It's funny. Growing up we use to call Ronny Ellis, "Almost Ellis" for all the times he almost scored. I still don't know how he got to be considered such a Star. Good player yes, but doesn't make my Leaf list. 

    My Top 10 Fav list.

    Orr (I could put that 10 times, but it's too obvious)

    Bourque

    Neely

    Esposito

    Middleton

    TT

    Chara

    ORielly

    Jonathan

    Cheevers

     
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    No way O'Reilly, Cheevers, and Middleton should be ranked ahead of Clapper, Hitchman, Cowley and Thompson. That's my opinion at least - not giving the old guys their due.

     
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    Is Borque #2 just because he played when most of us were alive? I know he's in top 5, but didn't someone like Eddie Shore actually redefine the position at the time he was playing? All lists will be prjudicially weighted towards the present, I'd guess. I don't really know if Dit Clapper should be # 7 or # 15? Of current players I'd think Chara and TT would both be in all-time top 20.



    I'd put Bourque there because I believe he was instrumental in the Bruins finally beating the schabs in the playoffs. Those first 2 games of that series, Ray was unbelievably amazing. He went back to just superb after that and Cam sort of took over, as I remember it. After 19 str8 playoff series losses to them, he deserves big credit.  

     
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    I'd go

     

    1 - Orr

    2 - Bourque

    3 - Shore

    4 - Schmidt

    5 - Esposito

    6 - Bucyk

    7 - Clapper

    8 - Neely

    9 - Hitchman

    10 - Cowley

     

    Cowley is the tough one, I could see putting him much higher, even top 5. The guy retired as the all-time leading scorer for the NHL.

     
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    Brad Park

    Adam Oates

    Can't think of too many others.

     
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    Fun to do this with the Bruins?

    1 - Bourque

    2 - Neely

    3 - Espo

    4 - Park

    5 - Middleton

    6 - Bucyk

    7 - Cheevers

    8 - O'Reilly

    9 - Schmidt

    10 - Thomas

    And before everyone takes the big one,because there's a name not on here... and I quote what Bobby Hull said to me. "Bobby Orr doesn't belong on any list, because there is no list....He's all by himself!"

     
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    I'd go

     

    1 - Orr

    2 - Bourque

    3 - Shore

    4 - Schmidt

    5 - Esposito

    6 - Bucyk

    7 - Clapper

    8 - Neely

    9 - Hitchman

    10 - Cowley

     

    Cowley is the tough one, I could see putting him much higher, even top 5. The guy retired as the all-time leading scorer for the NHL.



    I appreciate giving props to the old guys Red, but it's hard to put them on a list when you have ever seen them play to appreciate their skills. 

     
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    I'd go

     

    1 - Orr

    2 - Bourque

    3 - Shore

    4 - Schmidt

    5 - Esposito

    6 - Bucyk

    7 - Clapper

    8 - Neely

    9 - Hitchman

    10 - Cowley

     

    Cowley is the tough one, I could see putting him much higher, even top 5. The guy retired as the all-time leading scorer for the NHL.

     



    I appreciate giving props to the old guys Red, but it's hard to put them on a list when you have ever seen them play to appreciate their skills. 

     



    And there isn't much video...if any to see either.

     
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    In response to Bookboy007's comment:
    [QUOTE]

    Really, this will be weighted to the last 90 years or so.

    Sportsnet did this in magazine form for the Laffs.  Ron Ellis #1 (good call), Armstrong, Salming, Sittler and Sundin rounding out the top ten.  Gilmour and Clark in the 'teens (short timers).  Lots of guys like Apps and Connacher and Kennedy.  Not a lot of recent glory....

    Fun to do this with the Bruins?

    1 - Orr

    2 - Bourque

    3 - Schmidt

    4 - Shore

    5 - Esposito

    6 - Neely

    7 - Middleton

    8 - Bucyk

    9 - Cheevers

    10 - O'Reilly

    ...

    I'd maybe add in Thompson since his numbers were so off-the-charts for so long. O'Reilly gets bumped. Otherwise the names for me are the same - but different order:

     

    1 – Orr

    2 – Bourque

    3 – Bucyk

    4 – Thompson

    5 – Esposito

    6 – Schmidt

    7 – Middleton

    8 – Neely

    9 - Cheevers

    10 - Shore

     
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    In response to seobrien's comment:

    Is Borque #2 just because he played when most of us were alive? I know he's in top 5, but didn't someone like Eddie Shore actually redefine the position at the time he was playing? All lists will be prjudicially weighted towards the present, I'd guess. I don't really know if Dit Clapper should be # 7 or # 15? Of current players I'd think Chara and TT would both be in all-time top 20.

     



    I'd put Bourque there because I believe he was instrumental in the Bruins finally beating the schabs in the playoffs. Those first 2 games of that series, Ray was unbelievably amazing. He went back to just superb after that and Cam sort of took over, as I remember it. After 19 str8 playoff series losses to them, he deserves big credit.  




    Understood and agree with you...Borque is right up there, but I've watched hundred and hundreds of hours of Ray Borque playing, so I have no choice but to be biased. I'd venture no one on this board ever saw Shore play, we only have stories and stats. I'm just noting that without having seen him (outside of 3 secs of grainy film) that I can say with certainty that Shore was any more or less "great" than Ray Borque. In the case of Clapper, Schmidt, Hitchman, et al. we only have anecdotal evidence of how important they were to the franchise.

     
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    In response to seobrien's comment:

    Is Borque #2 just because he played when most of us were alive? I know he's in top 5, but didn't someone like Eddie Shore actually redefine the position at the time he was playing? All lists will be prjudicially weighted towards the present, I'd guess. I don't really know if Dit Clapper should be # 7 or # 15? Of current players I'd think Chara and TT would both be in all-time top 20.

     



    I'd put Bourque there because I believe he was instrumental in the Bruins finally beating the schabs in the playoffs. Those first 2 games of that series, Ray was unbelievably amazing. He went back to just superb after that and Cam sort of took over, as I remember it. After 19 str8 playoff series losses to them, he deserves big credit.  




    Understood and agree with you...Borque is right up there, but I've watched hundred and hundreds of hours of Ray Borque playing, so I have no choice but to be biased. I'd venture no one on this board ever saw Shore play, we only have stories and stats. I'm just noting that without having seen him (outside of 3 secs of grainy film) that I can say with certainty that Shore was any more or less "great" than Ray Borque. In the case of Clapper, Schmidt, Hitchman, et al. we only have anecdotal evidence of how important they were to the franchise.

     




    But you can still look at the numbers and the championships. Seriously even if we never saw him play when a player retires as the greatest scorer in NHL history (up to that time) it seems tough to ignore him. Cowley once grabbed 71 points in 36 games. Only Lemieux and Gretzky have averaged more points per game over a season.

     
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    I really can only judge what I've seen. Never seen Orr, Schmidt etc..can watch highlights, old game tapes, but for me, you have to watch it in the moment to make a true judgement. I like to watch a player then see him live before I make an assesment. Thats just me. If some do it the other way, more power to you. Look forward to the list of players by people who have actually seen certain players.Anyways,heres mine: I started watching in mid 80's, never missed a game and went to a ton of games in late 80's til a few years ago. Now I just go to a few but still watch every game...So heres one idiots list of 10 on what I've seen:

    1. Cam Neely

    2. Ray Bourque

    3. Adam Oates

    4. Tim Thomas

    5. Joe Thornton

    6. Rick Middleton

    7. Keith Crowder

    8. Patrice Bergeron

    9. Byron Dafoe

    10. Sergei Samsonov

     

     
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    Thats kind of my point, Red. I know Eddie Shore was an amazing player, but my view of him, although not entirely subjective, can never really truly be measured in my mind's eye the way I can quantify Ray Borques or Bobby Orr's careers. Stats really only tell part of the story.

     

    To use the NFL as an example, if you polled Packers fans on the best players in franchise history it would not surprise me if Donald Driver came in before Don Hutson.

     

    I'm just saying that it is hard to make a fair assessment of players prior to the age of television.

     
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    O'Reilly is a joke to be on these lists, or at least - at least - if you're going to mention O'Reilly, then you should mention Cashman.  

    I'll be honest, it sickens me when people talk about O'Reilly ahead of the other Bruins HOF players.

     
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    here's an interesting question. what current bruins have a chance at making it into the top bruins of all time discussion. Of course, the players I mentioned might not have worked their way there yet, but have the potential to do so. 

     

    1. Patrice Bergeron - Obviously he has the talent to do this. I really have the feeling that Bergeron winds up playing 20 seasons with the Bruins, and serves as captain for many of them.

    2. Tyler Seguin - he's just scratched the surface of his talent. He could be a 50 goal scorer for years to come.

    3. Milan Lucic - I don't think he makes the list. But if he takes the next step and turns into a 35-35 100PIM kinda player for a long time then who knows. 

    4. Zdeno Chara - I think he's a given to be on that list. 

    5. Dougie Hamilton - who knows, but it could certainly happen.

    6. Carl Soderberg - Sinch to make this list once he comes over to NA.

    7. Tuukka Rask - He still has to prove that he can handle the starters role, but teh talent is there.

    8. Anton Khudobin - best goalie in the NHL. period. 

     
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    here's an interesting question. what current bruins have a chance at making it into the top bruins of all time discussion. Of course, the players I mentioned might not have worked their way there yet, but have the potential to do so. 

     

    1. Patrice Bergeron - Obviously he has the talent to do this. I really have the feeling that Bergeron winds up playing 20 seasons with the Bruins, and serves as captain for many of them.

    2. Tyler Seguin - he's just scratched the surface of his talent. He could be a 50 goal scorer for years to come.

    3. Milan Lucic - I don't think he makes the list. But if he takes the next step and turns into a 35-35 100PIM kinda player for a long time then who knows. 

    4. Zdeno Chara - I think he's a given to be on that list. 

    5. Dougie Hamilton - who knows, but it could certainly happen.

    6. Carl Soderberg - Sinch to make this list once he comes over to NA.

    7. Tuukka Rask - He still has to prove that he can handle the starters role, but teh talent is there.

    8. Anton Khudobin - best goalie in the NHL. period. 




    Tuuka has to prove that he can handle the starters role but you have Anton and his handful of games as the best in the NHL period.

    Interesting.

     
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    I get all the arguments to not include the old guys, but if you're using that criteria as reasons to exclude these players, then don't call it All-time, and you shouldn't be including Shore and Schmidt either. Call it Best of the TV era.

     

    And for a comparison, when THN did their 100 best players of all time list the Bruins that made it were

    2.Orr

    10.Shore

    14. Bourque

    18. Esposito

    28. Schmidt

    41. Clapper

    45. Bucyk

    49. Park

    53. Cowley

    67. Brimsek

     

     
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    here's an interesting question. what current bruins have a chance at making it into the top bruins of all time discussion. Of course, the players I mentioned might not have worked their way there yet, but have the potential to do so. 

     

    1. Patrice Bergeron - Obviously he has the talent to do this. I really have the feeling that Bergeron winds up playing 20 seasons with the Bruins, and serves as captain for many of them.

    2. Tyler Seguin - he's just scratched the surface of his talent. He could be a 50 goal scorer for years to come.

    3. Milan Lucic - I don't think he makes the list. But if he takes the next step and turns into a 35-35 100PIM kinda player for a long time then who knows. 

    4. Zdeno Chara - I think he's a given to be on that list. 

    5. Dougie Hamilton - who knows, but it could certainly happen.

    6. Carl Soderberg - Sinch to make this list once he comes over to NA.

    7. Tuukka Rask - He still has to prove that he can handle the starters role, but teh talent is there.

    8. Anton Khudobin - best goalie in the NHL. period. 

     




    Tuuka has to prove that he can handle the starters role but you have Anton and his handful of games as the best in the NHL period.

     

    Interesting.



    have you ever read this poster stanleycuptothebruins? he always says that Khudo is amazing...ya it was a joke

     
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    I'd go

     

    1 - Orr

    2 - Bourque

    3 - Shore

    4 - Schmidt

    5 - Esposito

    6 - Bucyk

    7 - Clapper

    8 - Neely

    9 - Hitchman

    10 - Cowley

     

    Cowley is the tough one, I could see putting him much higher, even top 5. The guy retired as the all-time leading scorer for the NHL.

     



    I appreciate giving props to the old guys Red, but it's hard to put them on a list when you have ever seen them play to appreciate their skills. 

     



    A logical comment with any sort of list. 

     
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    here's an interesting question. what current bruins have a chance at making it into the top bruins of all time discussion. Of course, the players I mentioned might not have worked their way there yet, but have the potential to do so. 

     

    1. Patrice Bergeron - Obviously he has the talent to do this. I really have the feeling that Bergeron winds up playing 20 seasons with the Bruins, and serves as captain for many of them.

    2. Tyler Seguin - he's just scratched the surface of his talent. He could be a 50 goal scorer for years to come.

    3. Milan Lucic - I don't think he makes the list. But if he takes the next step and turns into a 35-35 100PIM kinda player for a long time then who knows. 

    4. Zdeno Chara - I think he's a given to be on that list. 

    5. Dougie Hamilton - who knows, but it could certainly happen.

    6. Carl Soderberg - Sinch to make this list once he comes over to NA.

    7. Tuukka Rask - He still has to prove that he can handle the starters role, but teh talent is there.

    8. Anton Khudobin - best goalie in the NHL. period. 

     




    Tuuka has to prove that he can handle the starters role but you have Anton and his handful of games as the best in the NHL period.

     

    Interesting.

     



    have you ever read this poster stanleycuptothebruins? he always says that Khudo is amazing...ya it was a joke

     




    I figured as much, and I try not to read his posts.

     
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    I get all the arguments to not include the old guys, but if you're using that criteria as reasons to exclude these players, then don't call it All-time, and you shouldn't be including Shore and Schmidt either. Call it Best of the TV era.

     

    And for a comparison, when THN did their 100 best players of all time list the Bruins that made it were

    2.Orr

    10.Shore

    14. Bourque

    18. Esposito

    28. Schmidt

    41. Clapper

    45. Bucyk

    49. Park

    53. Cowley

    67. Brimsek

     



    Yea & Bobby Hull said the list was BS.

     
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    He said Orr didn't belong on it. lol

     
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    In response to red75's comment:

    I get all the arguments to not include the old guys, but if you're using that criteria as reasons to exclude these players, then don't call it All-time, and you shouldn't be including Shore and Schmidt either. Call it Best of the TV era.

     

    And for a comparison, when THN did their 100 best players of all time list the Bruins that made it were

    2.Orr

    10.Shore

    14. Bourque

    18. Esposito

    28. Schmidt

    41. Clapper

    45. Bucyk

    49. Park

    53. Cowley

    67. Brimsek

     




    See, that a case in point. The experts over at TSN have Shore above Borque yet no one here does. They're all subjective.

     

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