I agree B's Legion - can Sturm be sent to Providence and not clear through waivers, instead of the potential roster player you are rightly concerned about?  Can Sturm be handled this way?  I, for one, am not sure he's a great addition to the lineup, recovering from back-to-back serious knee injuries, and then perhaps interrupting the chemistry that is clearly building. 
Posted by huscroft28

Can't trade money. There's probably a standing offer on the table for MR now.  He's not going to light anyone's world on fire, and he won't get traded to a team in the bottom 6 because they'd probably take their chances and grab him off of waivers.  Most sensible suggestion I've seen was that a team like the 'Jackets might scoop him for the right price - that is, a team that isn't secure as a playoff team and really needs to be a playoff team.  Cross-reference that with the list of teams with room to take on 2/3 of $4M - about $2.7 - and you get this list: Anaheim, Buffalo, Columbus, Dallas, Nashville, Carolina and Atlanta.  On the other end of the spectrum, the Kings, Tbay, StLoo, and the Avs all have the room to add him as insurance scoring.  That's too many teams for him to go to Providence.  If half that list are kicking the tires, you might even say there's enough of a market for Pete to acquire something more valuable than a crappy old Extreme cassette he can give Cam as his secret santa. But Chiarelli's also playing chicken here.  He doesn't have to trade Ryder yet, and MR has been one of the team's better secondary scorers.  The longer he remains useful, the more likely a team is to move to acquire him.  The on-rushing truck is the return of Sturm and Savard and the relative loss of bargaining power that comes with them. So - I think he's gone for a 3rd rounder by Christmas.
Posted by Bookboy007

Crazy! :=) 3-4th liners who are overpaid don't get a lot in return.  Ryder is also an expiring contract. So for the same reason you don't think Kaberle is worth it you are saying Ryder is???
Posted by shuperman

In a league where you may only get one crack at the cup I would do that deal and twice on sundays.  Before I get your reply I will do a break down of the moveable parts. a. 1st round pick.  Likely gonna be in the late round lets just say 25th overall. Why we can do it: We have the leafs 1st overall pick and we cripple them by taking their best player(meaning more L's and a greater chance at #1 overall). This yrs draft isnt great past the 1st 10.  b. Wheeler- 4th liner with some potential. Gladly part with him for a rental and a legit shot at Stanley. c. Sturm- Salary dump who isnt in our lineup anyway. Parts obtained: Kaberle- Top 4 Dman-20+ minute guy who would fit like PB&J.  He moves the puck and would anchor the PP(Vital in the playoffs).  Ryder for a 5th rounder.  = Salary dump in order to land a player at the deadline.  The snag in this could be giving our 1st rounder to the Leafs and not having the parts to land another player via trade. I believe adding Kaberle sends us to the top of the East.  I believe adding another player2-3rd line depth guy at the deadline also makes us the favorites.   We saw what Philly did with a top 4 pairing.  And the Bruins could be this yrs Philly.  Its possible.  Why not take a run at the cup this year.  We have a surplus 1st rounder and want rid of Sturm/Ryder anyway  
Posted by shuperman

In Response to Re: Trading Ryder : I agree with most of what you're saying here Shuperman.  I'm not sure losing Kaberle actually impacts the Leafs as much as you think it does.  On this Leaf team, Kaberle is less then effective in my opinion. There aren't enough quality players up front to take advantage of his offensive creativity.  Similiarly, outside of Schenn, there isn't a good defensive partner to make up for Kaberle's shortcomings on defence.   On a team, like the Bruins, he becomes a key offensive catalyst with enough defensive support (both the Bruins system overall and their defensive minded backend) to offset his weaknesses. Chara and Kaberle on the powerplay would be formidable, IMHO. What would it cost?  I think Wheeler and a 2nd rounder would be more then enough OR/  Take a bad contract like Ryder's and the Bruins 1st pick (late 1st rounder). I'm not sure I'd give up on Wheeler, if I was the Bruins, but seems like a lot of folks on this forum are down on him.  I think the Ryder move would be more palatable for the Bruins, especially with Sturm and Savard coming back. I think Burke would make both deals. I've always contended that Kaberle to Boston would be a great fit for the Bruins and could make the difference in the playoffs, especially given how important PP's are.  Kaberle is also very good at making that 1st pass up ice, something the Bruins are really lacking. It's a good deal for the Leafs too, they get younger and can hopefully get a better up front and it wouldn't make them that much better this year to impact the 1st round pick 1 way or the other. Ofcourse, the little detail around giving up the no-trade clause may be the deal breaker.  I don't think Kaberle moves without a contract extension guaranteed and I'm not sure what kind of money he'd be looking at and if that fits Boston's cap situation.  Details....... If I was Kaberle, Boston would be an ideal situation if he's at all interested in playing for a Cup contender before he's done.
Posted by LoveRealHockey

In Response to Re: Trading Ryder : LRH -  Obvious no Bs fan wants Toronto to do well.  So, do you think Ryder and the Bs 1st rounder would make Toronto a better team or a worse team?  I find you to objective enough to make an intelligent guess at the answer.  
Posted by islamorada

Bookboy - Now that you mention it I do remember McGrattan's situation.  Is it entry level players that do not have to clear waivers to be sent down?  In this case being Caron and Marchand
Posted by Eric66

In Response to Re: Trading Ryder : 2way contracts.
Posted by I-Like-Hockey

i believe we could get kaberle for wheeler and a 2nd round pick.
Posted by KJBruinswin

Has anyone watched Kaberle play this year??In the Bruins/Leaf game he was slow and ineffective. Why do we want him?? Ryder can score, but his game is like a yo-yo. He had two great openings on Vacoun and put them both in his belly.  As soon as Savvy is ready Ryder goes for whatever Peter can get. When Sturm is ready, Paille goes, maybe to Providence. The real problem to solve is Claude. He doesn't have a clue as to why the slow starts, and he's had more than a year to evaluate his alternatives.
Posted by Bogie6