TWEETS: just BOSTON being BOSTON? THIS BLACK MAN SAYS NO!

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    first of, its great to see 49-north starting a subject on this issue. i was going to do it this morning but frankly was shocked at the usual parochial cluelessness of many of my fellow boston fans in perhaps not grasping that this story would blow up. forget about just failing as a hockey team, its now about failing as humans and a community in the area of race. i frankly had no clue who joel ward was before that goal. had no clue he was even black frankly during the game. thanks to the tweets, he's now the rosa parks of hockey. thanks moronic minority of bawston fans! 

    i happen to be black so i perhaps have a deeper sensitivity but still it was amazing no one thought it was worthy to mention a front page event like this until 4P when 49 started his thoughtful thread with just a link. to say it happens everywhere and boston is being picked on is incredibly naive. there is a history here. ask the guys at fenway. minus anson carter very briefly, how many black hockey players have there even been in boston? i dont think its much of a coincidence that mr. ward plays for a DC team. his responses were also very nuanced and on the mark:

    "There is no lying about it. ... I'm definitely the one black guy in a room with 20 white guys," Ward said, according to USA Today. "There are definitely some cultural differences, such as taste in music, but I've never heard anything derogatory."  "I'm definitely getting a lot of support," Ward said. "There have been a lot of Boston fans who have supported me, which is very cool to see."

    But Ward, 31, told USA Today Thursday that he's never experienced racist remarks in his four seasons in the NHL -- and that he wasn't planning to let a few hateful Twitter posts ruin what he called the biggest goal of his career.


    like him, i have spent a lot of years in the company of whites esp for my work. it often gets old and unless you want to be that guy, its best to just keep your mouth shut. overall, i share his sentiments. its really both an institutional and custom issue. at the grassroots and non-formal level, due to generational momentum, there is clearly much more racial anxiety than at the more formalized institutional level. most people learn to shut up with me around and to strategically keep things at the INDIVIDUAL level. hey we like you, race doesnt matter. funny though how things drastically change when i bring a black pal or 2 around or i outcompete someone for a cherished prize. i  become a "one of those people" in a heartbeat. again, racism is an institutional, generational and COLLECTIVE issue. treating individual blacks in a certain way is frankly IRRELEVANT!

    when our hero goalie, mr. thomas, snubbed mr. Obama and initially wrote his diatribes i came on this board and fired one of the first shots as to the deeper and long term COLLECTIVE consequences of how tragic and unfortunate it was. so many here per usual refused to come out of their bunker sand mentality and as is expected turned on me.  the fact is many out there feel as mr. thomas' tea party faction does. not saying that timmy is a racist (would be unfair) in same way i wont call most muslims terrorists. HOWEVER, when alll major american terrorism issues as of late involve mostly muslims (incl that little 911 thing), common sense would make one wonder at times. let's just say when i hear about something blowing up around the world, my first thought isnt about the blonde blue-eyed neighbor next door from sweden.

    most tea partyers have RACIAL anti-nonwhite issues. timmy tends to appeal very much to them in the same way a rick santorum does. they add gasoline to the fire. what could have been more blatant than shunning the first black president and openly questioning his legitimacy. just shaking the hands of such a black man and being in his presence was of such disdain to him that he shunned him. true or not, thats the perspective from the black world and the more open non-bostonian perspective out there. in most other cities, timmy would have been immediately crucified or even suspended, esp in other big cities, but no not boston. leave our timmy alone was the refrain, let him express his "individual" moronic views. you reap what you sow. it wouldnt shock me for a sec to learn timmy is a birther and one of those who just cant stand the idea that there are many who look like him who would vote for an obama strictly based on social, generational and cultural issues (i dont much like him economically but thats a different issue).

    the narrative fits. do i seriously believe boston is racist (esp in comparison to other areas)? absolutely HELLL NO! lived in the area for almost 25 years. for almost every racist or racial incident i experienced, i had 10 that went the other way. must balance out the perspective. i loved the northeast far more than i ever did north carolina or the south. even here in the dc/baltimore area, there is more RACIALISM and lines in the sand at the custom level. problem with boston is that there is still enough institutional cluelessness that PERCEPTION dominates reality. timmy becomes all of you who happen to be nice decent folks who also happen to be white, whether you like it or not. thats y you should have led the fight for his suspension or reprimand when he doubled down on his impudent approach. your rightful unequivocal indignation at the twitterers should have been your reaction towards our TIMMY! too little too late!

    just like the good muslims who remain silent or the blacks who do so with the clownish antics of an al sharpton or the black panthers, you get tarred with the same feather whether you like it or not. its guilt by pigment or cultural association. its not fair but its life. i will agree with many though that if mr. ward had scored for boston against washington or NY, there would have been a similar response. however, the media would have covered it differently. why? because fans in most other places live out of the bubble enough to not be so blatant as to openly express many of the thoughts that so freely rained out in those TWEETs! lets just say they are BETTER politicians and at self-regulation on race due to their institutional pressures and present conditioning.

    thats just my 2 cents worth, hope i did not overcharge. GO BRUINS (minus mr. thomas)!

      
     
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    so by saying "minus mr.thomas", are you inferring he is racist? if so, shame on you.....if you dont have any facts to prove he is racist than dont assume anything....having different political views does not make one racist.
     
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    [QUOTE]so by saying "minus mr.thomas", are you inferring he is racist? if so, shame on you.....if you dont have any facts to prove he is racist than dont assume anything....having different political views does not make one racist.
    Posted by redsoxfan94[/QUOTE]you obviously did not read my full essay. look, there are many poilitical views out there. believe it or not, to stay educated and empathetic, i even listen to the likes of rush limbaugh, tom metzger, pat buchanan, david duke, and sean hannity. there are some political views no team in the 21st century should want to be associated with.. period! timmy and you still dont get that. if a celtic announced that he supported the black panthers and was facebboking from that perspective, my views would be the same... see ya mr. pierce, garnett, or rondo! you can be an ex-hockey player and have all the radical views you want in print. shaq o'neal is a one percenter and a muslim per example as are many star NBA players. did you know that? i bet the answer is NO. y? they dont facebook and tweet it for they grasp the instant career suicide it will bring. i'm sure their employers are all aware of it. private is not going on twitter or social media withit. then it becomes public and the organization must condier much bigger branding interests. its no longer timmy thomas the guy, its timmy thomas the boston bruins goalie. got that /> y the heck is anyone going there in the first place if not fo his staus afforded to him by the NHL and the bruins. i keep it real m friend!

    do i think timmy is racist? i already said NO officially for i have no public proof. do i privately think he is? ABSOLUTELY! but thats just my opinion not a fact and wont tar anyone with my subjectivity. i read his rants. they appeal in the direction of the michelle bachmanns, sarah palins, and extreme FOX crowd. they may not be racists but lets just say they go way out of their way to court many folks who tend to lean that way by design or default! its my opinion, you may disagree. there are many who think like you, many who think like me. if i'm running the bruins, timmy is gone. i think that message will become very clear soon. based strictly on hockey grounds he stays. but there are much bigger issues than sports or any one individual for any public institution...

    timmy has soiled the brand. he's now a net NEGATIVE for most out of the bunker sand my comrade! he's TOXIC!
     
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    this is the same goalie that carried the bruins to a cup last year.....if you want to dislike him for his political views than thats fine....its your opinion and noone can change that....i do think he has misbehaved this year and it was very surprising some of the things he said.
     
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    Boston Bruins Willie O'Ree broke the color barrier in the NHL 1958.

    Other black players with the Bruins (off the top of my head):
    Darren Banks
    Graeme Townshend
    Ray Neufeld
    Anson Carter

    You should actually know a little bit about hockey before you come out here, post and continually embarrass yourself.  Never heard of Joel Ward and you live in DC?  Shame on you.
     
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    Really, dude? Really?

    Nobody seems to take into account that Thomas is the only player on the Bruins that is the only player on the Bruins roster outside of Joe Corvo (who didn't win the Cup) that was U.S.-born. Why would anyone else on the Bruins give two s***s? I live down in DC/Baltimore, too, and I have for 3 years now. Frankly, anyone who claims that the racism in Boston is worse than DC is simply biased. What makes it that way? It works two ways down here, and it's more violent.

    Also, please take into account that most people who tweet innappropriate things like that don't have a career to worry about, and thus, are likely either a) children, or b) idiots.

     
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    Sorry, not necessarily idiots (particularly in this economy).

    LOTS of brilliant people don't have careers that are worth anything.
    VERY FEW people that are THAT dumb have a career to worry about.
     
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    In response to "TWEETS: just BOSTON being BOSTON? A BLACK MAN SAYS NO!": [QUOTE]first of, its great to see 49-north starting a subject on this issue. i was going to do it this morning but frankly was shocked at the usual parochial cluelessness of many of my fellow boston fans in perhaps not grasping that this story would blow up. forget about just failing as a hockey team, its now about failing as humans and a community in the area of race. i frankly had no clue who joel ward was before that goal. had no clue he was even black frankly during the game. thanks to the tweets, he's now the rosa parks of hockey. thanks moronic minority of bawston fans!  i happen to be black so i perhaps have a deeper sensitivity but still it was amazing no one thought it was worthy to mention a front page event like this until 4P when 49 started his thoughtful thread with just a link. to say it happens everywhere and boston is being picked on is incredibly naive. there is a history here. ask the guys at fenway. minus anson carter very briefly, how many black hockey players have there even been in boston? i dont think its much of a coincidence that mr. ward plays for a DC team. his responses were also very nuanced and on the mark: "There is no lying about it. ... I'm definitely the one black guy in a room with 20 white guys," Ward said, according to USA Today. "There are definitely some cultural differences, such as taste in music, but I've never heard anything derogatory."  "I'm definitely getting a lot of support," Ward said. "There have been a lot of Boston fans who have supported me, which is very cool to see." But Ward, 31, told USA Today Thursday that he's never experienced racist remarks in his four seasons in the NHL -- and that he wasn't planning to let a few hateful Twitter posts ruin what he called the biggest goal of his career. like him, i have spent a lot of years in the company of whites esp for my work. it often gets old and unless you want to be that guy, its best to just keep your mouth shut. overall, i share his sentiments. its really both an institutional and custom issue. at the grassroots and non-formal level, due to generational momentum, there is clearly much more racial anxiety than at the more formalized institutional level. most people learn to shut up with me around and to strategically keep things at the INDIVIDUAL level. hey we like you, race doesnt matter. funny though how things drastically change when i bring a black pal or 2 around or i outcompete someone for a cherished prize. i  become a "one of those people" in a heartbeat. again, racism is an institutional, generational and COLLECTIVE issue. treating individual blacks in a certain way is frankly IRRELEVANT! when our hero goalie, mr. thomas, snubbed mr. Obama and initially wrote his diatribes i came on this board and fired one of the first shots as to the deeper and long term COLLECTIVE consequences of how tragic and unfortunate it was. so many here per usual refused to come out of their bunker sand mentality and as is expected turned on me.  the fact is many out there feel as mr. thomas' tea party faction does. not saying that timmy is a racist (would be unfair) in same way i wont call most muslims terrorists. HOWEVER, when alll major american terrorism issues as of late involve mostly muslims (incl that little 911 thing), common sense would make one wonder at times. let's just say when i hear about something blowing up around the world, my first thought isnt about the blonde blue-eyed neighbor next door from sweden. most tea partyers have RACIAL anti-nonwhite issues. timmy tends to appeal very much to them in the same way a rick santorum does. they add gasoline to the fire. what could have been more blatant than shunning the first black president and openly questioning his legitimacy. just shaking the hands of such a black man and being in his presence was of such disdain to him that he shunned him. true or not, thats the perspective from the black world and the more open non-bostonian perspective out there. in most other cities, timmy would have been immediately crucified or even suspended, esp in other big cities, but no not boston. leave our timmy alone was the refrain, let him express his "individual" moronic views. you reap what you sow. it wouldnt shock me for a sec to learn timmy is a birther and one of those who just cant stand the idea that there are many who look like him who would vote for an obama strictly based on social, generational and cultural issues (i dont much like him economically but thats a different issue). the narrative fits. do i seriously believe boston is racist (esp in comparison to other areas)? absolutely HELLL NO! lived in the area for almost 25 years. for almost every racist or racial incident i experienced, i had 10 that went the other way. must balance out the perspective. i loved the northeast far more than i ever did north carolina or the south. even here in the dc/baltimore area, there is more RACIALISM and lines in the sand at the custom level. problem with boston is that there is still enough institutional cluelessness that PERCEPTION dominates reality. timmy becomes all of you who happen to be nice decent folks who also happen to be white, whether you like it or not. thats y you should have led the fight for his suspension or reprimand when he doubled down on his impudent approach. your rightful unequivocal indignation at the twitterers should have been your reaction towards our TIMMY! too little too late! just like the good muslims who remain silent or the blacks who do so with the clownish likes of an al sharpton or the black panthers, you get tarred with the same feather whether you like it or not. its guilt by pigment or cultural association. its not fair but its life. i will agree with many though that if mr. ward had scored for boston against washington or NY, there would have been a similar response. however, the media would have covered it differently. why? because fans in most other places live out of the bubble enough to not be so blatant as to openly express many of the thoughts that so freely rained out in those TWEETs! lets just say they are BETTER politicians and at self-regulation on race due to their institutional pressures and present conditioning. thats just my 2 cents worth, hope i did not overcharge. GO BRUINS (minus mr. thomas)!    Posted by COMMUNIST-CONTRARIAN[/QUOTE] How pathetic can you be? I also am a black man by the way with a black woman by my side. And I don't feel the need as you do to walk around Feeling like the world owes me everything and with some made up chip on my shoulder for the rest of my life because of the past! And I do mean past!You do want you want man but it's idiots like you who keep us down. It's time to grow up and stop playing the race card every time you feel it's needed. Even if Obama plays it constantly! And speaking of someone I'm ashamed of voting for he happens to be black and white which technically makes him mulatto FYI.
     
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    [QUOTE]Posted by TheGuyWithDaThing[/QUOTE]
     I live down in DC/Baltimore, too, and I have for 3 years now. Frankly, anyone who claims that the racism in Boston is worse than DC is simply biased.""

    how do we disagree? i said the racism in dc/balt is WORSE than boston in reality though not in perception. i've traveled all over the country and world, boston is not at the top of racism (far from it).. again, perception is more dominant in reality.


     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: TWEETS: just BOSTON being BOSTON? A BLACK MAN SAYS NO! :  I live down in DC/Baltimore, too, and I have for 3 years now. Frankly, anyone who claims that the racism in Boston is worse than DC is simply biased."" how do we disagree? i said the racism in dc/balt is WORSE than boston in reality though not in perception. i've traveled all over the country and world, boston is not at the top of racism (far from it).. again, perception is more dominant in reality.
    Posted by COMMUNIST-CONTRARIAN[/QUOTE]


    100% Whack job.

     
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    [QUOTE]You should actually know a little bit about hockey before you come out here, post and continually embarrass yourself.  Never heard of Joel Ward and you live in DC?  Shame on you.
    Posted by Crowls2424[/QUOTE] y is it shame on me? i admitted by ignorance up front. frankly i do not going around looking at people's pigment and race. i have zero ideas how many blacks there are in the nhl and could care less. i actually had seen and heard of joel and a few of the guys you mentioned, i just never focused on their pigment. being race blind and neutral isnt so bad as an ideal. what people like thomas does/did as well as the ward tweeters is to call attention to the whole pigment and racial divide thing. i knew grant fuhr was technically black for i saw him interviewed a few times, same with carter and michael holley (eei guy). my ward's own admission he's not really a star, y would he be interviewed unless it was about his race which is nt too bright?

    lastly, yes i'm a proud PINK HATTTER! too busy with sawx, pats and celts to be a hockey diehard as well.. but i love the sport. my cousins and nephews all play it, i love skating and hitting the rink. its my best sport to participate in.. minus all the tedius fighting, could really catch on in the US as football has figured out!
     
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    In Response to Re: TWEETS: just BOSTON being BOSTON? A BLACK MAN SAYS NO! :  I live down in DC/Baltimore, too, and I have for 3 years now. Frankly, anyone who claims that the racism in Boston is worse than DC is simply biased."" how do we disagree? i said the racism in dc/balt is WORSE than boston in reality though not in perception. i've traveled all over the country and world, boston is not at the top of racism (far from it).. again, perception is more dominant in reality.
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    100% Whack job.


    I second that!  This guy is a major tool!
     
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    Way back in the day in the early 50's my father was involved, in a very small way, in the civil rights movement - he was the first person in Manitoba to hire black people in the construction industry in that province. By the end of the first year of his business the number of black people in that industry in that province went from 0 to 7, all of them hired by my dad. That decision likely cost him a lot of business back in those days, but principle is principle (and it wasn't a bad business decision considering there was a large untapped labour force and it endeared him to getting contracts in predominantly black neighbourhoods), and in the long run  it likely gained him more than he lost.

    I talked to him today after this story came out and he said that he thought we already won this fight. Then he revealed he's heard racist comments leveled against Kane by his neighbours.

    Stop it with this crap of "you're more racist than we are."

    It's a systemic problem - it's in DC, it's in Boston, it's in Winnipeg, it's in Van, it's in every damn city in every damn country in the world, and we need to shout it down at every opportunity. (my dad disagees by the way and says we should ignore them completely and not give their hate one inch of press)

    It has nothing to do with any team, any identity, any business. It exists and we have to combat it, but to infer that on this issue any institution is better off than any other is bull crap.
     
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    Thomas isn't a racist. If you would look at his entire statement on skipping the trip to the white house, he criticised the entire government, not just the president. I can't stand Obama and it has nothing to do with the color of his skin. It is philosophical. Just because someone doesn't like Obama or doesn't want to meet him, doesn't make one a racist. I am not a racist in any shape or form. My friends would tell you that and many of them are african-american or are minorities. They respect my right to disagree with Obama. Thomas' exercised his right to not meet Obama to make a political stand. It may not have been the best move from a team standpoint, but it doesn't make him a racist
     
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    Posted by COMMUNIST-CONTRARIAN[/QUOTE]

    Too long to quote, but I have to say that this was one of the most eloquent posts on any of these boards.  The sadness of the ignorance that was followed by silence was shocking.  I've been out of electronic touch the last two weeks and just read about the aftermath of the Washington win (or the Boston loss, but Boston lost on more than the ice), and I've been sickened by what I've read.  My first Bruins experience was in 1963 when I, as a relative newcomer to Boston, went with a friend to teh Garden to see a Bruins game. I was completely turned off by the behavior of the alleged "fans" whose only purpose was to shout obscenities and throw stuff.  "What a weird sport", I thought, "that accepts fighting [in and off the ice] as part of the game's attraction".  I was admittedly uncomfortable among the bozos who couldn't quite keep up with the game after having drunk so much beer, but that didn't deflect them from acting like knuckle-dragging brutes and grabbing anything in sight to throw at each other, including beer cups some of which weren't quite empty.  The difference between that crowd and the fans at the Celtics or Red Sox games was startling, not that either crowd was exemplary - one young woman in the bleachers at a game in the mid-'60s turned to these guys who were heckling her and her girlfriend and said,"Didn't your f***in' mothah evah teach ya any mannahs?", to which gales of hooting ensued.  But back to the latest embarassment; Boston is filled with kind and socially progressive residents in every neighborhood, but not all, and fortunately, the rotten pieces of dirt that have lowered Boston's reputation are in a small-ish minority.  There's no defense or explaining away their behavior, but we all have a responsibility to, at the very least, point at them and acknowledge their shameless, stupid remarks.  
     
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    Bruins also had a high draft pick, a defenseman who's name I believe was Brown, about 15-17 years ago. He was also black I believe. He played a couple of years in the NHL but for other teams. I for one welcome the diversity, ie the best players should be sought in a manner totally non predicated on skin color. I know most Boston fans feel the same way. Hey, we're in the land ruled by Big Papi after all! Therefore, I'd take Iginla over almost any player in his age group on the B's. He's a wonderful team guy and the B's I'm sure, as well as the Boston fans, would welcome him, Evander Kane, Wayne Simmons, etc. as talented guys who would help the team in the quest for our next Cup!
     
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    [QUOTE]Way back in the day in the early 50's my father was involved, in a very small way, in the civil rights movement - he was the first person in Manitoba to hire black people in the construction industry in that province. By the end of the first year of his business the number of black people in that industry in that province went from 0 to 7, all of them hired by my dad. That decision likely cost him a lot of business back in those days, but principle is principle (and it wasn't a bad business decision considering there was a large untapped labour force and it endeared him to getting contracts in predominantly black neighbourhoods), and in the long run  it likely gained him more than he lost. I talked to him today after this story came out and he said that he thought we already won this fight. Then he revealed he's heard racist comments leveled against Kane by his neighbours. Stop it with this crap of "you're more racist than we are." It's a systemic problem - it's in DC, it's in Boston, it's in Winnipeg, it's in Van, it's in every damn city in every damn country in the world, and we need to shout it down at every opportunity. (my dad disagees by the way and says we should ignore them completely and not give their hate one inch of press) It has nothing to do with any team, any identity, any business. It exists and we have to combat it, but to infer that on this issue any institution is better off than any other is bull crap.
    Posted by red75[/QUOTE]

    Thank you for a thoughtful post. Racisim exists inside the person. It's learned from the people around them. If ever a person hears racist remarks, it's up to that individual to oppose the negative comment. That is what I believe.
     
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    Nobody cares what race you are here either.  This is a faceless anonymous forum.  All we know about you is that you're a terrible poster.
     
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    [QUOTE]Way back in the day in the early 50's my father was involved, in a very small way, in the civil rights movement - he was the first person in Manitoba to hire black people in the construction industry in that province. By the end of the first year of his business the number of black people in that industry in that province went from 0 to 7, all of them hired by my dad. That decision likely cost him a lot of business back in those days, but principle is principle (and it wasn't a bad business decision considering there was a large untapped labour force and it endeared him to getting contracts in predominantly black neighbourhoods), and in the long run  it likely gained him more than he lost. I talked to him today after this story came out and he said that he thought we already won this fight. Then he revealed he's heard racist comments leveled against Kane by his neighbours. Stop it with this crap of "you're more racist than we are." It's a systemic problem - it's in DC, it's in Boston, it's in Winnipeg, it's in Van, it's in every damn city in every damn country in the world, and we need to shout it down at every opportunity. (my dad disagees by the way and says we should ignore them completely and not give their hate one inch of press) It has nothing to do with any team, any identity, any business. It exists and we have to combat it, but to infer that on this issue any institution is better off than any other is bull crap.
    Posted by red75[/QUOTE]

    Mad props to your father, red.  I don't consider his hiring of black folks at that time as being small.  Make no mistake it was massive.  Clearly he was a progressive man who only saw workers not black workers in this case.  Just workers.  Period.  Brilliant post.
     
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    Re: TWEETS: just BOSTON being BOSTON? A BLACK MAN SAYS NO!

    In Response to Re: TWEETS: just BOSTON being BOSTON? A BLACK MAN SAYS NO!:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: TWEETS: just BOSTON being BOSTON? A BLACK MAN SAYS NO! : Mad props to your father, red.  I don't consider his hiring of black folks at that time as being small.  Make no mistake it was massive.  Clearly he was a progressive man who only saw workers not black workers in this case.  Just workers.  Period.  Brilliant post.
    Posted by RichHillOntario[/QUOTE]


    I meant small in terms of a broader scope . There were hundreds of small business owners across NA who made similar decisions to what my dad made, and they never get their props. Trust me when I say I'm proud to be his daughter, and his acts in that era have always been an example to me (granted, this is the same 80 year-old man who is completely open to having a 36 year-old daughter who is in a same sex marriage - he's pretty openminded for someone of his era. My wife's parents, 30 years his junior, haven't spoken to her since she came out).
     
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    Re: TWEETS: just BOSTON being BOSTON? A BLACK MAN SAYS NO!

    In Response to Re: TWEETS: just BOSTON being BOSTON? A BLACK MAN SAYS NO!:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: TWEETS: just BOSTON being BOSTON? A BLACK MAN SAYS NO! : I meant small in terms of a broader scope . There were hundreds of small business owners across NA who made similar decisions to what my dad made, and they never get their props. Trust me when I say I'm proud to be his daughter, and his acts in that era have always been an example to me (granted, this is the same 80 year-old man who is completely open to having a 36 year-old daughter who is in a same sex marriage - he's pretty openminded for someone of his era).
    Posted by red75[/QUOTE]

    Well said.  Even if I were not a black man I'd still think what your father did was big.  Clearly as displayed by those link-between-man-and-ape buffoons and their tweets there are some today who could learn a thing or thousand from your dad and those like him from their actions decades ago.  Cheers to them!
     
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    Re: TWEETS: just BOSTON being BOSTON? A BLACK MAN SAYS NO!

    Thanks RHO, I'll pass your comments onto my dad. I'll guarantee you that my dad's response will be a shrug of his shoulders. He may be my hero, but he'll never see himself that way.
     
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    Re: TWEETS: just BOSTON being BOSTON? A BLACK VIEW...

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    [QUOTE]. i read his rants. they appeal in the direction of the michelle bachmanns, sarah palins, and extreme FOX crowd. they may not be racists but lets just say they go way out of their way to court many folks who tend to lean that way by design or default!
    Posted by COMMUNIST-CONTRARIAN[/QUOTE]

    Tell me, were the people who fired Juan Williams from the NPR because of his appearing on Fox News being racists or just "leaning that way"?
    Idiot.
     
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    Re: TWEETS: just BOSTON being BOSTON? A BLACK MAN SAYS NO!

    Just another guy trying to keep the race card going.Try being a white guy walking through Roxbury or Dorchester. Being called a name is the last thing your worried about.The race card is over go away
     
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