Re: Vegas: Bruins are 2nd most likely spot for Nash
posted at 2/17/2012 1:45 PM EST
You don't know what a power forward is, so I will refer you to Wikipedia:
The only thing ridiculous about comparing Kessel and Nash is that Kessel is having a good year while Nash's career has been trending down. They are both fast, one-dimensional goal scorers. I brought up Malkin as an example of a true dominant forward, most of those are centers.
There is no argument that Nash is a good player. The question is whether he is worth giving up a whole bunch of talent to get, and worth paying $8mil. Nothing he has done and nothing anyone has said has made that argument true. There are no stats to back it up. All anyone can say is that he is awesome and has no good team mates and played for team Canada. He wasn't especially good for Canada because he doesn't think the game fast enough to keep up with Crosby- they had to take him off his line. Saying some is big and hulking it anything else does not mean they are successful at hockey, more specifically MORE successful than other similar players in the league.
You say that anyone who has played hockey knows that the better players you play with the more you will score. I haven't found that. I have found I and others score more with more icetime or better icetime. There is all kinds of stats to back that up.
Oh please name iginla's all star center. Other than savard, who played with kovalchuck and Hossa? How many goals did Ovechin score before backstrom played with him? Just curious.
In response to "Re: Vegas: Bruins are 2nd most likely spot for Nash":
[QUOTE]Bookboy, you would have more of a point if Rick Nash was a center, but he's a wing. A big, hulking, and ridiculously skilled wing (OatesCam, a power forward is more about body position and physical presence than it is about penalty minutes and fights, saying lucic is a better power forward than Nash is a complete joke, just as calling him a 30 goal scorer is when he pots 6 empty netters). Just imagine if Milan Lucic didn't have Krejci/savard/Horton with him... just imagine in fact, if Lucic not only didn't have Krejci or Horton, but didn't have the bergeron line behind them, didn't have the defense to keep the puck out of the defensive zone, and didn't have the goaltender to keep the puck out of the net. What you would get is a player that was easy to shut down because his style of play relies on other players to make up for his shortcomings (quickness and passing). One player can't do it all, and that's a fact. Anyone who has played the game of hockey knows that they will have more opporunities for goals when they play with better players, and when you aren't forced to play defense or from behind all the time. It's the same reason why Seguin didn't make sense on the 4th line, you put talent with talent. Your argument about him not being a top 5 player in the league is reasonable; certainly if I were building a team I would start with a center iceman the likes of Toews, Malkin, Datsyuk, Sedin, Kesler, Crosby, etc. Centers are more important because they touch the puck more. When they have the skill to go with the added responsibility, they tend to score more points. But the top wings in the league almost always are paired with a top center and top talent. Ovechkin has Backstrom, Sedin has Evil Sedin, St. Louis has Stamkos, Hossa has Toews or Sharp, Perry has Getzlaf etc. Only a few players have really bucked this trend as far as I'm concerned, igninla in calgary, and one season of Kovalchuk in ATL. However, you've merged onto silly street by comparing Rick Nash to Jason Pominville, Michael Ryder, or Vanek just as OatesKam has with the Phil Kessel comparison. These comparisons are disgraceful.. Exactly why has Rick Nash been a beast in international competition? Why is he consistently placed on Canada's top lines even when Team Canada is as stacked as they are? The reason is, when you put him with good players, his style of play can really thrive. This has been obvious to Team Canada, just as Phil Kessel's horrific dimuntive selfish style is enough to keep him on the bench for Team USA. When teams can simply load up on one line (like they have been doing for years in columbus) it's a miracle that he can even score goals as consistently as he has. I keep re-reading your points trying to find something reasonable, but it's almost like you don't understand the difference between a center and a wing. OatesKam is talking about Malkin... clearly a different kind of player, and a center.... The truth is, Rick Nash could be the most productive player the bruins, and take Seguins game as a center to the next level. The best part about this potential trade is, we actually have the supporting talent around Nash for this guy to really thrive. He's young, in his prime, we have the cap space, and we wouldn't have to subtract anything that would compromise our depth (except at goaltender... yet only 1 can play at a time) Another frusterating thing is you all either didn't read my post about how horrendous CBJ has drafted, or apparently didn't think it's significant. I mean, how can you defend their draft record and say it hasn't had an effect on Rick Nash's production??? How can you seriously say that???
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