I don't know if looking at point totals alone is a great way to judge the defensmen.  Jerry York plays a pretty good system at BC and may not want Cross jumping up in the play a lot and racking up points.  The NHL comparable that I have heard for Tommy Cross is Mark Stuart.  In that case, points are almost irrelevant to Stuart's game.  I have no idea if Cross will become an NHLer or not, the odds are probably against it.  But if he does, it was my impression that he would be a 4-6 stay-at-home type defensemen.  So I don't think it matters much what his point totals are if he is continuing to improve his game.  We'll see next year...
Posted by Fletcher1

shocked this isnt a "trade him" thread. you guys must be exhausted.
Posted by 86redsox

This is something I really don't like to see.  Players production leveling off in their last 2 years of junior or college.  I hear a warning alarm when I see that. I will admit it's not impossible that they make it after that happens, but looking at the stats, it's much more prevalent that they won't make it. Cross this year 18 pts in 32 games. Cross last year 18 pts in 28 games. From previous history, last 2 years of jr or college Hamill 2nd to last 93 pts in 69 games Hamill last year 75 pts in 67 games And now I'll just pick players more or less at random from the last guys I looked at on hockey db.  These guys I know made it into the NHL. Mark Mowers 2nd to last 58 pts in 39 games (UNH) Mark Mowers last year 56 pts in 35 games 2 less points in final year, but 4 less games.  That shows an upward trend.  Mark made it to the NHL. Dominic Moore 2nd to last 29 pts in 32 games (Harvard) Dominic Moore last year 51 pts in 34 games Luke Schenn 2nd to last 29 pts in 72 games (Harvard) Luke Schenn last year 28 pts in 57 games Same number of pts, but much fewer games. Other players who followed this trend, Horton, Bitz, Montador, Boyes and Allison. I have only found one that bucked the trend, and he did it in a major way; Marty St. Louis. Looking at a couple of other high picks that haven't played in the NHL 2008 Kyle Beach, 11 overall you have to do the math on him, his production improved just slightly, but it looks to me he was over age. 2nd to last 54 games 66 pts last is  68 games and 86 pts 2009 Scott Glennie 8 overall 2nd to last 66 games 89 pts last  70 games 91 pts I'll need to be convinced otherwise, but if a guy hasn't improved in his last year of junior or college, that's a bad sign. And more than likely he will not amount to much.
Posted by BadHabitude

In Response to Re: Video : Tommy Cross at the Beanpot :  If you looked at the current Bruins players junior and college careers you would have found some to dispute your theory. Brad Marchand 2006-2007 Val-d'Or Foreurs-QMJHL 57 33 47 80                     2007-2008 Val-d'Or Foreurs-QMJHL 33 21 23 44         2007-2008 Halifax Mooseheads-QMJHL 26 10 19 29     Jordan Caron 2008-2009 Rimouski Oceanic-QMJHL 56 36 31 67       2009-2010 Rimouski Oceanic-QMJHL 20 9 11 20           2009-2010 Rouyn-Noranda Huskies-QMJHL 23 17 16 33   Rich Peverley 2002-2003 St. Lawrence University-ECAC  34 15 23 38   2003-2004 St. Lawrence University-ECAC 41 17 25 42 Johnny Boychuk 2002-2003 Moose Jaw Warriors-WHL  27 5 17 22             2003-2004 Moose Jaw Warriors-WHL 62 13 20 33 Joe Corvo 1996-1997 Western Michigan University- CCHA 32 12 21 33             1997-1998 Western Michigan University-CCHA 32 5 12 17                         I gave up after posting 5. Need more ? There are many more to choose from.
Posted by Chowdahkid-

In Response to Re: Video : Tommy Cross at the Beanpot : Thanks for reminding us.  Yes.  He should be in the mix for Nash.  Along with Hamill.
Posted by BadHabitude

I don't know if looking at point totals alone is a great way to judge the defensmen.  Jerry York plays a pretty good system at BC and may not want Cross jumping up in the play a lot and racking up points.  The NHL comparable that I have heard for Tommy Cross is Mark Stuart.  In that case, points are almost irrelevant to Stuart's game.  I have no idea if Cross will become an NHLer or not, the odds are probably against it.  But if he does, it was my impression that he would be a 4-6 stay-at-home type defensemen.  So I don't think it matters much what his point totals are if he is continuing to improve his game.  We'll see next year...
Posted by Fletcher1