"What is the missing element the Bruins need?" (for BsLegion)

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    Better warm than wet, perry.



    This could get weird, so I will just say goodnight. 

     
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    As is usual for the Bruins, a go to guy for scoring. 1 more goal in game 6 last year, and maybe there is a game 7, and they are Champs. We can all list the players that lacked production when necessary, so that is where I think the 'need' is. However, if LBOH continues his hot scoring, and Eric the Great shows up, I like their chances. More worried about the 3rd line than anything else. As bostonfan##### said, "put Kelly" on the 4th line. I like that. 

     

    They just played the Defending Champs even up, and beat a VERY good LA team, with their 2nd string Goalie. Not much to not like here. 

     

     

     



    a bottom six of soderberg - spooner - eriksson, paille - campbell - kelly is absurdly good. 



    This name is out of place... Don't think a world class player like Loui was brought here to play 3rd line with a Spoon and a Soda....until Uncle Fester takes him out of the witness protection plan this guy will just become another talented scorer that the Bruins will never learn how to utilize properly .... If his confidence isn't s*h*o*t by now, it will be... I am sure he is missing Dallas by now...

     
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    As is usual for the Bruins, a go to guy for scoring. 1 more goal in game 6 last year, and maybe there is a game 7, and they are Champs. We can all list the players that lacked production when necessary, so that is where I think the 'need' is. However, if LBOH continues his hot scoring, and Eric the Great shows up, I like their chances. More worried about the 3rd line than anything else. As bostonfan##### said, "put Kelly" on the 4th line. I like that. 

     

    They just played the Defending Champs even up, and beat a VERY good LA team, with their 2nd string Goalie. Not much to not like here. 

     

     

     



    a bottom six of soderberg - spooner - eriksson, paille - campbell - kelly is absurdly good. 



    This name is out of place... Don't think a world class player like Loui was brought here to play 3rd line with a Spoon and a Soda....until Uncle Fester takes him out of the witness protection plan this guy will just become another talented scorer that the Bruins will never learn how to utilize properly .... If his confidence isn't s*h*o*t by now, it will be... I am sure he is missing Dallas by now...




    Yeah, I bet he hates being in first place in the division and having a chance for the Cup.

     
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    As is usual for the Bruins, a go to guy for scoring. 1 more goal in game 6 last year, and maybe there is a game 7, and they are Champs. We can all list the players that lacked production when necessary, so that is where I think the 'need' is. However, if LBOH continues his hot scoring, and Eric the Great shows up, I like their chances. More worried about the 3rd line than anything else. As bostonfan##### said, "put Kelly" on the 4th line. I like that. 

     

    They just played the Defending Champs even up, and beat a VERY good LA team, with their 2nd string Goalie. Not much to not like here. 

     

     

     



    a bottom six of soderberg - spooner - eriksson, paille - campbell - kelly is absurdly good. 



    This name is out of place... Don't think a world class player like Loui was brought here to play 3rd line with a Spoon and a Soda....until Uncle Fester takes him out of the witness protection plan this guy will just become another talented scorer that the Bruins will never learn how to utilize properly .... If his confidence isn't s*h*o*t by now, it will be... I am sure he is missing Dallas by now...




    Yeah, I bet he hates being in first place in the division and having a chance for the Cup.



    I will give you that Dez .. I am probably just frustrated that the Bruins aren't using this guy to maximize his contribution to the team....I understand he has only played 29 games.... But this guy has so much to offer and CJ doesn't seem to want to try him with other lines or give him extra time on PP....we are talking about a world class player....I don't get it....

     
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    I don’t think BB started this thread to talk about trading this guy for that guy.  My discussion with Bookboy has nothing to do with how they’re playing the season out but more along the line if  this team is better than last years team come playoff time ?  because if they are the cup is the bag.  Right ?

     

    How much of this teams core changed ? I don’t see a big difference . The trade with Dallas right now is a wash.  The advantage we might see is in the playoffs but that’s just speculation.  Iginla- Jagr ?

     

    So if this team is almost the same from last season why would they have a better chance at winning the cup ?

     

    Injuries happen to all teams in the playoffs, last year we lost Bergeron and they lost Hossa . Seidenberg was b@nged up and so was Towes.

     

    Regular season stats can only take you so far in this discussion , they’re fine and dandy but what do they do for you in the playoffs besides give you home ice (seeding)  ?  Regular season stats vs playoffs is just like a players +/- stat . 

     

    Conclusion BookBoy, you’re 100% confident this team (with a Seidenberg replacement) can repeat last year’s playoffs and win this time ?  Basically this is what is in discussion. I don’t have the answer as I said on the GDT if I knew I would be challenging Stanley for assist GM on the Bruins. 

     



    Stupid to look for 100% confidence in anything when it comes to winning in the playoffs.  The question is CAN this team win in the playoffs?  And the answer is yes.

    The question of WILL comes down to a lot of factors that can't be predicted or determined by management.  A hot team is a hot team and winning in the playoffs is a combination of playing your best, and getting some breaks.

    There have been years where a team sneaks into the playoffs only to get hot and win the whole thing (LA) and other years where the #1 seed plows their way through for the cup.

    Last years team got to game 6 of the finals.  This years team is no worse, maybe better positioned to do the same (better depth up front, defense is a wash -- more scoring, less defensive).

    The rest is fate

     
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    I will give you that Dez .. I am probably just frustrated that the Bruins aren't using this guy to maximize his contribution to the team....I understand he has only played 29 games.... But this guy has so much to offer and CJ doesn't seem to want to try him with other lines or give him extra time on PP....we are talking about a world class player....I don't get it....



    Dude (that's right, you've been "dude-ed"), you've been here long enough to get this.  The Bruins don't work like this.  It is never their way to shake up all the lines to get one player going because he's supposedly a great offensive player who's just in the wrong spot.  They never just ladle on the PP time to make one guy feel special and help him find his confidence.  It's about the team, and they don't buy the argument that changing the team to help one player helps the player help the team.  If he truly is a world class player, he'll find his way.  Give him time.

     
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    I will give you that Dez .. I am probably just frustrated that the Bruins aren't using this guy to maximize his contribution to the team....I understand he has only played 29 games.... But this guy has so much to offer and CJ doesn't seem to want to try him with other lines or give him extra time on PP....we are talking about a world class player....I don't get it....



    Dude (that's right, you've been "dude-ed"), you've been here long enough to get this.  The Bruins don't work like this.  It is never their way to shake up all the lines to get one player going because he's supposedly a great offensive player who's just in the wrong spot.  They never just ladle on the PP time to make one guy feel special and help him find his confidence.  It's about the team, and they don't buy the argument that changing the team to help one player helps the player help the team.  If he truly is a world class player, he'll find his way.  Give him time.



    Yes I am aware of how this team works.  Doesn't mean you stop experimenting, And we're not talking about shaking up all the lines?  Why wouldn't you want to help him find his confidence... Yet, they keep an old man on the first line who is going on his 10th straight game pitching more donuts than Tim Horton's......gets tons of PP time , can't hit the side of a barn with his one timers.....yeah I get it...keep the ladle going?  He's earned it....makes perfect sense...yes,  why would you want to change that up.....Stay the course I guess ... 

     
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    I know that with Seidenberg down, they may focus on getting a d-man, which is fine, but like I said before, I would love to see someone who can put the puck in the net. Moulson or Cammaleri on the 3rd line would be huge. I'd even be happy with someone like Stafford.

     
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    I know that with Seidenberg down, they may focus on getting a d-man, which is fine, but like I said before, I would love to see someone who can put the puck in the net. Moulson or Cammaleri on the 3rd line would be huge. I'd even be happy with someone like Stafford.



    Who would they be replacing Kel? Loui is likely staying, so you either bench him or Soderberg. I guess it could happen, why not.I like King Carl's game but its not like he's tearing it up. I don't see Iginla being moved to another line, other than benching Loui or Carl, i don't know where he's fitting in. Trade Carl? With his recent injury history Loui is with the B's for awhile. 

     
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    Loui was just starting to get going before the second concussion... he'll be back!

     
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    Honestly, if they wanted to add the kind of player who can score and play the kind of responsible game expected of the third line, I'd like to see them target a center.  They haven't had that dominance at the dot this year, and it was a key feature in the playoff runs.  Kelly was under 500 when he was healthy, Spooner's close to 400, and Campbell's also under 500.  Soderberg is under 400.  Really, Krejci and Bergeron are over the even bar, and Bergeron's so far over, he makes the Bruins look like a good faceoff team.

     
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    Stupid to look for 100% confidence in anything when it comes to winning in the playoffs.  The question is CAN this team win in the playoffs?  And the answer is yes.

    The question of WILL comes down to a lot of factors that can't be predicted or determined by management.  A hot team is a hot team and winning in the playoffs is a combination of playing your best, and getting some breaks.

    There have been years where a team sneaks into the playoffs only to get hot and win the whole thing (LA) and other years where the #1 seed plows their way through for the cup.

    Last years team got to game 6 of the finals.  This years team is no worse, maybe better positioned to do the same (better depth up front, defense is a wash -- more scoring, less defensive).

    The rest is fate



    Stupid ? okay, I'll take it serious from others that post more often here.

    The questions and discussion me and Bookboy were having since they fell s hort last year against Chicago are  1- what was missing on the Bruins the last Stanley Cup final to win it ? 2- are they still missing that (those) element (s) to make another run to win the cup ?  This is taking into consideration they have found a replacement of equal value to Seidenberg. 

    Was Chicago just the better team ?  Luck ?  I don't like to base it on luck because I believe usually the better team gets the bounces .  Was it Chicago's fast offensive team breaking down a very good defensive Bruins team ? and if that's the case what should have the Bruins done or have to counter that Chicago team ?

    I'm just throwing this out there because I feel this years team might be in the same predicament.

    Above you're generalizing how teams win in the playoffs, that's kind of obvious and rarely have teams that squeak in win the cup thus far.  The point of the matter was the Bruins succumbed everything you're stating , they were in the final , so what was it they were missing to win it ?  Injuries don't count, both teams went, go through that.

    p.s. I agree this team can win in a round (s) in the playoffs. 

 
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    The added element was here but gone.  Seidenberg loss is surely huge but I'm more concerned if we will score in playoffs.  I'm hoping soderberg makes an impact if not we may very well struggle to score.  

     
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    The Bruins are more than fine up front.  I like having an extra top-6 forward on hand, and they already have that in Eriksson.  Soderberg is also above-average for a third liner, and Kelly and Spooner give them depth for the bottom 6 to be used how Julien sees fit.

    The goaltending is Rask. As long as he's healthy, you just hope it stays that way.

    On D pre-Seidenberg injury I would have liked a proven #6-7 old D to be picked up.  Now that he's hurt I think they could use a top-4 guy that is very defensive and hopefully can play either side well.  Krug and Hamilton mean that an all-around star is overkill, so this guy can be a defensive specialist.

    The situation that scares me right now is the Bruins are killing a 5on4 in game 7 and Chara puts it over the glass.  Who do you put out? Before it would naturally be Bergeron, Seidenberg and Boychuck.  Right now I'm not sure who you would use on D, but whoever it would be I wouldn't feel wonderful about it.  A guy that makes you feel confident in that role, that is who we need.  He shouldn't break a sweat facing the Malkins of the world, either.

     
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    "All I'm saying is that I don't think the Bruins need something.  They don't lack something.  They have all the ingredients, but, like every playoff year I've ever seen at any level of hockey, they need to be more than the sum of their parts to win a championship.  The team that does this best, wins.  The teams that don't can have the best parts by a country mile and still go home empty."

    This sums it up nicely.  A Seids replacement would be nice, but a combination of a healthy Hamilton, McQuaid, Boychuck, Krug, Bart, and Miller is still a pretty darned good D in back of a stud like Z.  And yes, a "real" scorer would be nice, but even "real" scorers don't tend to put up gaudy numbers in CJ's system.  If you make OV play at both ends of the ice, he probably has 1/2 the goals he does now (maybe 2/3).    And that's not a complaint about the system - it is generally a MUCH better system for playoff success than teams like the Caps.  It just means that they'll be winning/losing games 3-2 and 2-1 rather than 6-4. 

    As for Thornton, I am far from a hater.  He isn't the best skater, but I respect him - a lot.  He plays hard and fills a vital role - albeit one that is more important in the regular season.  That said, I tend to agree that when Kelly comes back, Thornton should be a healthy scratch most nights, and Kelly should be the 4th line center. 

     
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    I know Stephane Robidas is injured & isnt coming back till the middle of march, but im thinking he would be a good fit. What it would take? who knows.....Bartkowski &  Khokhlechev? for Robidas & a minor leaguer

     
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    Chicago's first Cup run was done with full knowlege of big Cap dump the following season.  In other words, plenty of quality players to fill voids in the roster.  The Bs first Cup was assisted by trades in 2010 (Rechii) then again in 2011 (Kelly, Peverly).  No question the Bs will be fine in the playoffs with the current performance in a parity laden NHL.  The Bs though can be eliminated in the first round like 2012 as well.  Toronto almost did so last year.  IMO a defenseman of significant ability is needed.  I also agree an upgrade offensively with a sniper would be helpful.  Versteeg would have been a fine addition but Chicago was a bit more aggressive.  The Bs can fight the grueling competition in the playoffs, but don't be fooled to think last year will be replicated without some trades.  BTW Iginla was the target last year not Jagr.  "Status quo ante post tempore" is not an assurance of a Cup run.  

     
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