Who's To Blame For The Mess in Edmonton?

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    Who's To Blame For The Mess in Edmonton?

    We have seen the oilers continue to stock pile talent and continue to have a top 3 pick.  Another one is coming this year.  They have bratty stars that havent taken the next step.   They dont have great leadership(Ference seems lost).  They have a coach that has lost the team.  The fans want Kevin Lowe out.  They havent had a goalie in years.  They have no defense.  

    Who should and will feal the wrath this off season.  

    Just a quick sidenote.  I can see the Oilers and Ottawa making monster trade.  So for Chowda.   Here it is.  

    spezza, Neil, Cowan.  For Gagner, Yako, Nurse. Pick.  

     

     
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    gretzky... he never should have left.

     
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    Are you a closet Oiler, shupe?

    The present Oiler situation is God's way of punishing them for beating Boston twice in the Stanley Cup Final. To put a Bruin slant on it.

     
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    We have seen the oilers continue to stock pile talent and continue to have a top 3 pick.  Another one is coming this year.  They have bratty stars that havent taken the next step.   They dont have great leadership(Ference seems lost).  They have a coach that has lost the team.  The fans want Kevin Lowe out.  They havent had a goalie in years.  They have no defense.  

    Who should and will feal the wrath this off season.  

    Just a quick sidenote.  I can see the Oilers and Ottawa making monster trade.  So for Chowda.   Here it is.  

    spezza, Neil, Cowan.  For Gagner, Yako, Nurse. Pick.  

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    I think that would be a terrible deal for both teams, to be honest.  Spezza is a very creative offensive player - sometimes more creative than talented in terms of his body doing what his imagination invents.  He is a lost cause as both a leader and as the centrepiece of the attack because you just can't live with the consequences of the mistakes for the amount of offense he generates.  Not and win.  I think you're including Neil because he's physical and plays with intensity, but I don't see him having the impact you're thinking he would.  They've had "energy" guys.  The problem is the top of the Oiler lineup, not the the bottom - meaning top 6 fwds, top 4 D and #1 goalie.

    Cowen's a big, physical defenseman who may never recover from the injury that slowed him this year.  He used to be big but nimble enough to be good rather than a Hal Gill.  He's now Gill minus the experience.  That might change, but I'm not gambling on it if I'm Edmonton.

    Ottawa's in a similar boat in that they have given up even more goals against/game than the Oilers and they have too many specialist types - with Spezza, add Hemsky, Ryan and Karlsson.  They don't have an all-purpose, high end talent.  And they don't have very good defensemen, so if they give up Cowen, it's because they think he'll never be what he seemed to be when he got injured.

     
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    It is a mess there and it's getting worse. Looks like they have hit an all-time low with Saturday night versus Calgary being rock bottom. Who knows, maybe thats what it is going to take.

    http://sports.nationalpost.com/2014/03/23/edmonton-oilers-taylor-hall-soaks-coach-with-exploding-water-bottle-during-blowout-loss-to-calgary-flames/

     
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    Cherry said about Edmonton a few years ago, 'they had better do something about the losing quick, because it will become the norm, and hard to get rid of' or something to that effect.

    At some point, you have to say that Kevin Lowe has been the Captain of this ship, as he has tried so many Coaches, and a few GMs. What is the only thing left to change? The Head Honcho. 

    Makes you all appreciate guys like Krejci, and Chara, and Lucic, and Bergeron, etc... these guys come to play hard every night, and play like a team, not a bunch high end talent. By the way, where is RNH in all this? I thought he was going to be THE #1 Center. 

    This team has fascinated me for a few years, because of all the high draft picks. I was looking forward to watching them on the second part of the double header Saturday nights. I used to love watching Colorado and Edmonton play back in the 90s as they were 2 fast high-end talent teams. 

    Goes to show tanking it doesn't always work. 

     

     

     
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    Nothing will change there until they get some goaltending.

    10 wins separate them from the playoffs.  A great goaltender is worth more than 10 wins. 

     
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    Nothing will change there until they get some goaltending.

    10 wins separate them from the playoffs.  A great goaltender is worth more than 10 wins. 

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    They went out and got Scrivens and Fasth. Not sure if either is the answer, but certainly an upgrade over Dubnyk. Can a goaltender become great on that team as it is consituted? I don't know. I still think they should have signed Khudobin last year, but I also think any goalie not a top 5 already there will struggle unless they upgrade the defense and a couple two way forwards.

     
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    I keep getting this backend error.  It's driving me nuts.  I had a girlfriend in college who used to have that issue on Sunday mornings...

     
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    Nothing will change there until they get some goaltending.

    10 wins separate them from the playoffs.  A great goaltender is worth more than 10 wins. [/QUOTE]

    They went out and got Scrivens and Fasth. Not sure if either is the answer, but certainly an upgrade over Dubnyk. Can a goaltender become great on that team as it is consituted? I don't know. I still think they should have signed Khudobin last year, but I also think any goalie not a top 5 already there will struggle unless they upgrade the defense and a couple two way forwards. [/QUOTE]


    Could have traded for Schneider or signed Thomas for a year, Khudobin is another great example. Tons of solid, veteran stay at home defenseman could have been signed last summer or traded for. No excuse not to match up some veterans with all those young forwards.

    For the frugal Oil those goalies weren't even that expensive.

     
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    They went out and got Scrivens and Fasth. Not sure if either is the answer, but certainly an upgrade over Dubnyk. Can a goaltender become great on that team as it is consituted? I don't know. I still think they should have signed Khudobin last year, but I also think any goalie not a top 5 already there will struggle unless they upgrade the defense and a couple two way forwards.

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    Careful saying things about Dubnyk.  A couple of years ago I said he was a bum and got jumped all over for it.

     
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    They went out and got Scrivens and Fasth. Not sure if either is the answer, but certainly an upgrade over Dubnyk. Can a goaltender become great on that team as it is consituted? I don't know. I still think they should have signed Khudobin last year, but I also think any goalie not a top 5 already there will struggle unless they upgrade the defense and a couple two way forwards.

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    Careful saying things about Dubnyk.  A couple of years ago I said he was a bum and got jumped all over for it.

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    I was on that wagon NAS. I truly thought he had in him to be a #1. My apologies.

    I keep hearing that the Oilers are going to put a package together & try to grab Weber. I think Nashville certainly needs some scoring forwards & the Oil could certainly use that leadership on the backend. Whether or not that happens is unknown, but I think it certainly would probably help them get on the right track a lot sooner then the path they're on now. 

     
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    One thing for sure its pathetic on there results and once again will get to pick a top 2 in the draft. Blame comes from upper management in my opinion, trying to build a team on draft piks takes along long time and how you draft affects the time also. They had plenty of chances to trade away one of those 1st picks for alot more. You begin with a leader, that they dont have, and they certainly dont have the right coach.

     
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    This will be the most critical off-season for the Oilers. Alot of what they do will depend on the draft lottery and the playoffs.

    i dont care what draft pick they get, they should deal it. They have to.

    They will deal one of the forwards. Most say Yakupov, but I'm not sure the return on Yakupov will be enough. Other teams may be hesitant with him.

    Like Nite said, Nashville seems like a logical trading partner. Not sure on Weber, but they do have players like Josi and Ellis they could deal for scoring.

    The two biggest teams that the Oilers fate could be tied to are the Blues and Kings. Should either bow out early both have the type of defenseman (Shattenkirk, Martinez) that could help consumate a deal.

     
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    I think its obvious it's Lowe's fault. The guy is too chicken-bleep to make the sensible trade at the draft in order to actually improve the TEAM rather than picking "the next Lemieux" with all those high picks.. for the 5th time in the past 5 seasons.  An unintended consequence is now the team is spending $57 million a year to suck... again.

     
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    The big mistake was not dealings higher yakupov pick. At a certain point you gotta build some depth.

     
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    I can't believe I'm saying this, but it's gone downhill since Renney left.

    And they should have taken Murray instead of the Yak.

     
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    I blame it on Pittsburgh.  Crsoby and Malkin then later on Fluery were all high picks that turned the franchise around.  The problem with Edmonton is team building.  There are times you should trade your #1.  Defensemen are needed, spend money.  

     
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    Ekblad has looked like a 30 yr old since he was 16 it seems.  I haven't seen a ton of him, but he played with Schiefele and Camara in Barrie, so you pay a little more attention.  Kinda makes me think of Bouwmeester - I think that's the kind of pro he'll be, which probably means underappreciated for what he does because he's not doing more. 

     
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    Ekblad has looked like a 30 yr old since he was 16 it seems.  I haven't seen a ton of him, but he played with Schiefele and Camara in Barrie, so you pay a little more attention.  Kinda makes me think of Bouwmeester - I think that's the kind of pro he'll be, which probably means underappreciated for what he does because he's not doing more. 

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    Bouwmeester, the guy who got taken to task for everything he ever did yet was good enough to make Canada's Oympic team?

     
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    I should have made that a past tense.  To wit: top draft picks are not a sure thing even this year.  Edmonton could have traded a number #1 for another high pick and a player like a veteran defenseman.  Cam Barker was supposed to be a great player.  The NHL is litered with those types....Alexander Daigle.  

     

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    I blame it on Pittsburgh.  Crsoby and Malkin then later on Fluery were all high picks that turned the franchise around.  The problem with Edmonton is team building.  There are times you should trade your #1.  Defensemen are needed, spend money.  

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    Nhl teams do not trade their number one overall ... I haven't seen much of reinhart or ekblad but I doubt oilers trade their number 1 ... 

    Anyone seen reinhart or ekblad that can tell us about ithem? 

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