Are the Heat for Real Yet?

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    In Response to Re: Are the Heat for Real Yet? : Fierce---they will...give them time. Does not happen overnight.
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    He's not Fierce34, I am.
     
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    No bench, I say they will always have a hard time beating the elite.
     
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    Just a week ago, you guys trashing the heat.

    I said, they will adjust, learn little by little and it will be our nightmare come May-June.

    Don't get scared....still December....but it will come.
     
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    Yeah, Heat are the super team of the future.  I could see in a few year's time them dominating so much they don't even snicker at these early struggles.  However, right now, the great teams of this decade are not yet ready to fade away and will be dominant for at least this year and the next, maybe even a bit longer.  In that time the Heat will develop.  It will be a gradual changing of the guard.
     
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    I still believe that if Orlando can somehow land Melo for Carter and Lewis I still like the Melo/Howard/Nelson hook up better than the Heat.

    Then there is the chance that Paul and Melo go to NY to join Amare.

    It's not a given that the Heat will even win a title in the next 3 years.
     
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    The Heat are beating up teams they should beat up. Wade and LeBron are rebounding more because they have too. That's not going to fly against the top tier teams.

    They will be good but unless they get to the Finals this year they will continue to be scrutinized.
     
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    they are putting it together against awful teams. when they can beat dallas, spurs, celtics, and lakers in a 3/4 game trip, then i will say they are for real.
    Posted by PierceIsTheTruth


    Fierce---they will...give them time. Does not happen overnight.
     
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    yes, they are for real...and will still probably struggle to beat the elite teams...but honestly...i figured that they would struggle more against the bad teams in the NBA but they have gone through them like a hot knife through butter

    i agree with hedley that depth at PG would be more of an issue had carlos arroyo not been playing so well...and chalmers is getting healthy for the first time this season after having a gimpy ankle all off-season

    the center position definitely has hurt the heat this year but i look at the problem this way...all the big bodies are new except for magloire, who hasnt seen a whole lot of playing time thus far this year...so the big guys are still learning to play with the big 3 and role players who also havent been around before...so i think they are adjusting on the fly as well and as the regular season continues...finding passing lanes between lebron, wade and bosh + xyz big guy is going to be mighty difficult come march-april...and they already lead the league in defensive efficiency

    god i wish dampier had anything left in the tank...he is a lump on a log...and thats when he is playing and not riding the pine
     
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    they are putting it together against awful teams. when they can beat dallas, spurs, celtics, and lakers in a 3/4 game trip, then i will say they are for real.
     
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    I agree with susan250.  They are putting it together against the not-so-good teams but, honestly, that's what they are supposed to do.  They had a good win against Atlanta but without Joe Johnson.

    Let's reconvene on this subject after tomorrow's game against Utah.  That will be good test of the Heat but they are looking good against the bad teams.
     
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    There has never been any doubt in my mind that they are for real. They are a legitimate team capable of beating anyone on any given night.  They will be better once they get Miller and Haslem back.  However, their lack of depth at both PG and Center, in my opinion, makes them a year away from being contenders for the title.  They will be good, a high seed, but in a seven game series, I just think they are not quite good enough yet.
    Feel free to disagree, but I think they will continue to struggle against really good teams like BOS, LAL, ORL and all others with outstanding PG's.
    Depending upon who they pick up/draft this off-season, they will probably be ready to wreck havoc on the league...............next year.  And, yes, I think Spoeltra will still be the coach!
     
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    They worry me a bit but 1 through 10 the Celtics are stronger.
     
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    Are the Heat for Real Yet?

    They've gone on a 5 game tear. However, they only played one legit team in that span. Prior to that, they went 1-4 when playing 3 playoff teams...

    Are the Heat for Real?
     
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    when  the Heat put together a string of beating several quality teams they will " be for real." They've had an easy schedule the past 5 games. They lack a good center and a good point guard. The Heat will have a difficult time all season beating teams with a good interior offensive game such as the C's, Spurs, Lakers, etc.
     
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    they are putting it together against awful teams. when they can beat dallas, spurs, celtics, and lakers in a 3/4 game trip, then i will say they are for real.
    Posted by PierceIsTheTruth


    I seem to recall in 2008 the Celtics adding Posey, House, Rondo, Cassell, Brown, Allen and Garnett "on the fly" and doing okay!!
     
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    They've gone on a 5 game tear. However, they only played one legit team in that span. Prior to that, they went 1-4 when playing 3 playoff teams... Are the Heat for Real?
    Posted by bosoxfan5990


    They definitely are playing better.  If they can start winning games against the teams with the best records, I would say that they are improving. 
     
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    In Response to Re: Are the Heat for Real Yet? : Haslem: Season Team G GS MPG FG% 3p% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG 10-11 MIA 13 0 26.5 0.512 0.000 0.800 2.2 5.9 8.2 0.5 0.5 0.2 1.1 3.0 8.0 Career   530 386 30.8 0.500 0.000 0.763 2.4 5.7 8.1 1.1 0.6 0.3 1.2 2.8 10.0   and one drug possession. He has basically been a starter until this year, and has yet to set the world on fire.  Would be 3rd string PF on the Celtics! Miller: Career Season Averages Year Team G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG 00-01 ORL 82 62 29.1 0.436 0.407 0.711 0.8 3.2 4.0 1.7 0.6 0.2 1.18 2.44 11.9 01-02 ORL 63 53 33.8 0.438 0.383 0.762 0.8 3.6 4.3 3.1 0.8 0.4 1.71 2.30 15.2 02-03 MEM 16 13 22.7 0.510 0.500 0.806 0.4 3.1 3.4 1.9 0.4 0.3 1.63 2.12 12.8 02-03 ORL 49 39 37.2 0.418 0.340 0.847 0.8 5.0 5.8 2.8 0.7 0.3 2.02 2.84 16.4 03-04 MEM 65 65 27.2 0.438 0.372 0.723 0.6 2.7 3.3 3.6 0.9 0.2 1.65 2.49 11.1 04-05 MEM 76 51 30.0 0.505 0.433 0.720 0.5 3.5 3.9 2.9 0.7 0.3 1.67 2.59 13.4 05-06 MEM 74 9 30.6 0.466 0.407 0.800 0.6 4.8 5.4 2.7 0.7 0.4 1.89 2.34 13.7 06-07 MEM 70 69 39.1 0.460 0.406 0.793 0.7 4.7 5.4 4.3 0.8 0.3 2.56 1.97 18.5 07-08 MEM 70 70 35.3 0.502 0.432 0.774 0.7 5.9 6.7 3.4 0.5 0.2 2.60 2.07 16.4 08-09 MIN 73 47 32.3 0.482 0.378 0.732 1.0 5.6 6.6 4.5 0.4 0.4 1.99 1.90 9.9 09-10 WAS 54 50 33.4 0.501 0.480 0.824 1.0 5.2 6.2 3.9 0.7 0.2 2.13 2.43 10.9 Career -- 692 528 32.4 0.464 0.405 0.770 0.7 4.3 5.1 3.2 0.7 0.3 1.91 2.32 13.7 10 years - 692 games..............84% of the time he plays.  Good scorer.  Clearly had his best years as a starter, with 05-06 being the exception.  In the preseason this year, for the Heat, he started 4 of 5 games.  Would be 7th man on the Celtics - and a huge addition to our team. Basically, the Heat's best lineup, IMO, would be Wade, MeBron, Bosh, Haslem and Miller.  That, however, gives them NO bench at all. Pick your poison:  have a great starting lineup and no bench - or have a weaker starting lineup and go 7 deep.  Of course their whole team has exactly as many games together as the Celtics - ZERO. Should be fun, but right now, advantage Celtics!!
    Posted by hedleylamarr

    are you really going to sit there and tell you think big baby is better than haslem?...of course you are because you have seen haslem play what maybe 5 times in your life?

    anyways moving along...you still forget to mention james jones, who has played very well this year and you completely disregard how well arroyo has played...nevermind the fact that chalmers was hurt in the preseason and is finally back in shape

    and would you really want to leave eddie house open for 3's? i didnt think so

    if you are going to sit here and debate bench strength with me...at least mention the whole bench...which top to dampier, is pretty strong
     
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    In Response to Re: Are the Heat for Real Yet? : Have the Celtics beat any good teams?  They beat and lost to OKC and have not really played any of I would consider the best teams.  The best team they have played, they lost to - Dallas.  Let me make my position clear though - I think the Cs are far away the best team in the league right now but I will have a much better feeling about them once they play Utah, the Lakers, Orlando, etc.  They barely beat the Knicks and have played 3 over time games, so they are about 10 total points away from being 12 and 8 instead of 16 and 4. Assessing whether the Heat are for real based on their record vs. good teams is not really what I would call a barometer. They went the preseason without Wade and they have obviously had a hard time getting untracked and of course the expectations were crazy.  Since their players only meeting they seemed to have figured some things out. They are in Utah tonight - that should be another indicator. Another thing that I find really funny about a lot of the commentary is the "experts" keep saying they need a point guard to run the offense - over the last 20 years the Lakers have won 5 titles, the Spurs have won 4, and the Bulls won 6 (the Rockets, Cs, Pistons, and a couple of others won the other 5) - which of those teams had great point guards or even good ones - only Parker and Billups are what I would call good point guards out of all those teams.  The best point guards on those championship teams were Michael and Kobe - the same as with the Heat - LeBron is the point guard and when Mike Miller is back the Heat will be immeasurably better.... LeBron penetrates and finishes or kicks it to one of the best 3 point shooters in the league.... Wade penetrates and finishes or kicks it to one of the best 3 point shooters in the league - e.g. imagine Wade and LeBron with Ray Allen.... Another criticism of the Heat is at the 5 - but center by committee and having 24 fouls to use always seemed to work for the Bulls and Spurs and the most current Lakers. I could easily see the Heat run another 10 in a row just as easily as I could see them playing 500 for the rest of the year but it will likely be somewhere in between IMO. The thing that is scary about the Heat is that for the most part there is no point in any game where one of their best players is not the best player on the floor.  If LeBron is on the bench Wade is the best player on the floor, if Wade is on the bench LeBron is the best player on the floor in any game against just about every team.
    Posted by TheDUDDER

    good post...thanks for the reality check around here
     
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    In Response to Re: Are the Heat for Real Yet? : the heat's bench is better than 98% of other teams...sorry to break it to you

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    I am so sure that is not right. Haslem better than Baby Davis? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?  Haslem is between the line of NBDL and NBA!!!  Arroyo is a starter and he would be bench anywhere in the league. Who else do you have in the bench? spit it out... Oh and let me remind you, Bosh is not one of the Big Three. Guy gets ripped by even Big Baby!!! which in your opinion is no better than Haslem.

     
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    In Response to Re: Are the Heat for Real Yet? :   I am so sure that is not right. Haslem better than Baby Davis? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?  Haslem is between the line of NBDL and NBA!!!  Arroyo is a starter and he would be bench anywhere in the league. Who else do you have in the bench? spit it out... Oh and let me remind you, Bosh is not one of the Big Three. Guy gets ripped by even Big Baby!!! which in your opinion is no better than Haslem.
    Posted by cabutan

    stop listening to bill simmons and watch some actual basketball

    haslem gets more respect for his game and how he carries himself as a man than big baby could ever dream of

    big baby? you got that right
     
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    Prognostications are for losers.  Haslem and Miller are both hurt.  See, that is why I used the word PERHAPS!!!! There is NO WAY that right now, today, the Heat have a Top 5 bench in the league....sorry to break it to you, but whatever helps you sleep at night. And just for the record, YOU are the obsessed one.  You respond to every post that mildly disagrees with you.  And I've read your profile page.  You attack people on the baseball and politics forums as well.  You use words like dimwit, bub, and ignorant.  I think if you check the form you agreed to when you signed up, it says you are not allowed to use words like that.  And stupidest is NOT a word any more than irregardless is a word.  BUT, A LOT is two words, you constanly use it as one. I love pointing out how many times and ways you are WRONG about things.  Maybe just ONE admission would help me go away!!  But you are emotionally incapable of that, so on  we go.
    Posted by hedleylamarr

    i agree that without haslem and miller, they arent a top bench...but they are both coming back this season...so to pass them off as irrelevant is being naive

    what can i say? i know the heat like the back of my hand...ive followed the team since day 1...when people make general statements that are incorrect or attack my team, ill respond...if you dont like it...why dont you ignore me like you have said you would

    and i dont attack anyone on the baseball forum...the red sox and marlins are in different leagues and not too many red sox fans care about the marlins unless they are making a trade...in politics? i attack the conservative crowd that routinely repeat the lies they hear on fox news...you dont like it? ignore me because im not stopping

    oh golly, the grammar nazi in full regalia...do you sign your name with a swastika? or just heil webster?

    its the internet...take things less personally bub
     
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    I think they s^ck.  They are cooked as they lost their most consistent player, Udonnis Haslem.  Chris Bosh looks shellshocked.  Is he on something?  Wade looks like he is mourning the death of his team.  LeBron is great and all that but he a lousy teammate and player.  LeBron needs to play in Utah where Jerry Sloan will bench him for playing stupid.
    Posted by shines01

    you dont watch much basketball do ya?
     
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    In Response to Re: Are the Heat for Real Yet? : i agree that without haslem and miller, they arent a top bench...but they are both coming back this season...so to pass them off as irrelevant is being naive what can i say? i know the heat like the back of my hand...ive followed the team since day 1...when people make general statements that are incorrect or attack my team, ill respond...if you dont like it...why dont you ignore me like you have said you would and i dont attack anyone on the baseball forum...the red sox and marlins are in different leagues and not too many red sox fans care about the marlins unless they are making a trade...in politics? i attack the conservative crowd that routinely repeat the lies they hear on fox news...you dont like it? ignore me because im not stopping oh golly, the grammar nazi in full regalia...do you sign your name with a swastika? or just heil webster? its the internet...take things less personally bub
    Posted by Jimmy42Jack0



    Haslem:
    SeasonTeamGGSMPGFG%3p%FT%OFFDEFRPGAPGSPGBPGTOPFPPG
    10-11MIA13026.50.5120.0000.8002.25.98.20.50.50.21.13.08.0
    Career 53038630.80.5000.0000.7632.45.78.11.10.60.31.22.810.0
     

    and one drug possession.

    He has basically been a starter until this year, and has yet to set the world on fire.  Would be 3rd string PF on the Celtics!

    Miller:
    Career Season Averages
    YearTeamGGSMPGFG%3P%FT%OFFDEFRPGAPGSPGBPGTOPFPPG
    00-01ORL826229.10.4360.4070.7110.83.24.01.70.60.21.182.4411.9
    01-02ORL635333.80.4380.3830.7620.83.64.33.10.80.41.712.3015.2
    02-03MEM161322.70.5100.5000.8060.43.13.41.90.40.31.632.1212.8
    02-03ORL493937.20.4180.3400.8470.85.05.82.80.70.32.022.8416.4
    03-04MEM656527.20.4380.3720.7230.62.73.33.60.90.21.652.4911.1
    04-05MEM765130.00.5050.4330.7200.53.53.92.90.70.31.672.5913.4
    05-06MEM74930.60.4660.4070.8000.64.85.42.70.70.41.892.3413.7
    06-07MEM706939.10.4600.4060.7930.74.75.44.30.80.32.561.9718.5
    07-08MEM707035.30.5020.4320.7740.75.96.73.40.50.22.602.0716.4
    08-09MIN734732.30.4820.3780.7321.05.66.64.50.40.41.991.909.9
    09-10WAS545033.40.5010.4800.8241.05.26.23.90.70.22.132.4310.9
    Career--69252832.40.4640.4050.7700.74.35.13.20.70.31.912.3213.7


    10 years - 692 games..............84% of the time he plays.  Good scorer.  Clearly had his best years as a starter, with 05-06 being the exception.  In the preseason this year, for the Heat, he started 4 of 5 games.  Would be 7th man on the Celtics - and a huge addition to our team.

    Basically, the Heat's best lineup, IMO, would be Wade, MeBron, Bosh, Haslem and Miller.  That, however, gives them NO bench at all. Pick your poison:  have a great starting lineup and no bench - or have a weaker starting lineup and go 7 deep.  Of course their whole team has exactly as many games together as the Celtics - ZERO.
    Should be fun, but right now, advantage Celtics!!
     
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