Bynum for Chris Paul

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    Bynum for Chris Paul

    Who does it?

    and please no 'this is not an LA board' the move be a very interesting and really affect Boston. I'd like to hear the opinion of a classy LA fan like Worthy

    The straight swap works w/ $. LA gets thin up front and has 3 PG's.

    It could also be Bynum, the b*tch, Shann Brown and Blake for Paul and Okafor.

    In that case whoever buys the Hornets would have a team with a measley 40 million in payroll, 3-4 1st rd picks (assuming they trade David West for a 1st rd'er in Feb) a tanked rest of this year to get into the lotto and a solid trio of Jack (28) - Ariza (26) and Bynum (24) all with nice contracts to build on at the 3 most important positions.

    Then move the team to Seattle and make them the Sonics:-)

    and LA gets a 20-10 guard and 10-10 F-C to go for unprecedented (since Boston did 8) 4-peat...
     
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    Too much time on our hands?
     
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    [QUOTE]David Stern to trade Chris Paul for Andrew Bynum? If that happens the value of the Hornets will go down. Stern will have a hard time selling a team with a franchise player that is a distant relative of Sam Bowie. 
    Posted by P34[/QUOTE]

    If he pairs him with dumping Oak's contract, which has 2 years left after this season at like 30 million, then the team probbably gains value.

    Bynum-Paul contracts are a wash. Both have injury history. A 24 year old Center with 24-14 potential, but basically a lock to be an 20-10 if healthy, is pretty valuable. Depends on how he looks next month and what league opinion on injury history/future is.

    It is not as valuable as a 26 year old all-star PG of course... but better than MANY junk offers you see for Paul (Anthony Randolph/Raymond Felton, a #1 pick but still w/ the Okafor albatross deal in NO?? no thanks)

    It is very unlikely Paul will remain with a new ownership anyhow

     
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    Rame, please, you're scaring me!!
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Bynum for Chris Paul : Oops, that was a typo, substitute Bynum where I wrote Okafor. I'm more worried about us getting by OKC and San Antonio to be honest. Attempting to build a side to beat the Celtics would be our downfall this season if we go down that route.
    Posted by RUWorthy[/QUOTE]

    I'd see this move bettered you vs. SA and OKC, but maybe not vs. Celtics 

    Parker and Westbrook are not 12 points 14 assist 7 rebound PG's that are freaky defenders who are disruptive

    They are 21 point 9 assist guys with good but not elite defensive skills. Against Paul they would simply be playing a similar guard who is slightly better and therfore they are not the mismatch they previously were vs. Fisher/Blake.

    Artest will bug Durant more than most do and shut down Jefferson. But SA and OKC have average frontcourts. Pau can neutralize Duncan, just like KG and is clearly better than Kristic. Odom and Okafor are a wash w/ Green and Ibaka while a huge mismatch over McD and Bonner.

    You'd match up very well with those teams, esp SA.

    Kobe and Artest will score the same as counterparts Durant and Harden/Thabo while outscoring Manu and RJ.

    so since the froncourt is a wash vs. both team (slight edge to LA vs. SA) and wings are a wash vs. OKC and slight edge vs. SA, Paul just has to be better than Westbrook to take OKC and even if is played to a draw by Parker I think LA would better the older Spurs.


     
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    West right now w/ my predictions:

    1.) Spurs, will fade a bit down to 4 or 5 seed b/c of age, weak @ PF and no ability to make trades. They are Boston last year just with Bonner/McD over Sheed/Perk (Baby is Hill just diff. positions) and therefore worse.

    2.) Dallas, they are here for long haul, w/ current lineup no worse than the 3 seed, contracts & the Beaubois talent allow them to make possible trade improvements, get 1 seed

    3.) Utah, also in for long haul, no worse than 5 seed w/ current crew, scary club if they make long-rumored trade of AK47/Miles for a rejuvinated Prince and Rip Hamilton.

    4.) LA, should get top seed still, but have some concerns but a major trade or Bynum return to an 18-9 should cement top seed

    5.) OKC will get better, I have no idea if I'd give them the 1 seed, but its possible, they won't do worse than 5th thats for sure.

    6./7.) New Orleans and Denver (tie) will prob both trade their superstar and drop out of playoffs or to at best the 8 seed. For now I just hope they both get a W vs. LA before they do:-)

    8.) Phoenix, are a Hawks/Knicks talent but 8th in West, obv. going nowhere but Nash is always deadly, should get the 7 or 8 seed and bounced in 5

    9.) Portland, if no more injuries of course they are also awaiting being bounced in 5 games, but could be the 6 seed

    Who gets in over 1 or both of the Denver/NOH clubs? I guess if you say ONE of the 2 teams holds onto their star all year they'd get the 7 or 8 seed. Rumors in Jan/Feb prob create lethargy/losing streak and then the star staying makes them go on a run. So Portland gets it

    If both CP3 and Melo leave, that leaves Houston or G-State to slip in. 

    G-State vs. OKC in rd 1 would be fun. LA/DAL or UTA would crush them tho. 

    Houston needs Yao to almost double his production while only going from 18-28 mins in order to turn that team around. Way to make age 30 look like 35 Shane and to only get 5 dimes a game Brooks... at least Martin/Scola are holding up their end.

    They COULD be a scary 8 seed

    Right now I don't see any West team better than Boston... but our injuries have killed that and w/o JON/DWest and with Rondo/Shaq dragging legs we are just in the same class as any of the 5 best West teams. Same with Miami, Orlando and (soon) Chicago.

    The Wests 6-8 teams are as good as the East's 5-7 teams and their 9 and 10 teams better than whoever gets in as the 8th seed.
     
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    Sounds good initally, but it does leave the Laker bench pretty bare in the bigs department. I'm not overly impressed with Okafor. Still, that does give the team more of a sure thing in Paul than Bynum has been. 
     
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    Delusional if you are the hornets so far as I can tell. 
     
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    bynum for paul - never gonna happen slackers fans and here's several reasons why:
    1) bynum is greg oden with a big contract and 2/3 the potential, but 2x the waistline. See sam bowie for career and girth illustrations.
    2) NO could get more in talent from any other team - why would they deal to the lakers when NJ would have a far better talent collection, as would Min, Memphis, LAC, IND, DEN, and NYY?
    3) 1/3 of the LA Market Dominos and Doughnut shops would go out of business, worsening the already rough california market. Without Tubbs Bynum to eat the gnp of peru daily, these businesses would go out of business, creating a catastrophic chain of events. 
    4) Greg Oden's self esteem would go down 11 points. Without Bynums overpaid, fat contract and the news weekly tracking his possible return, it would then push the shadow on the second biggest disappointment on the west coast, oden, which would make his ego deflate even more, making him look 93 (vs his current appearance of 74). Said Bill Russell regarding the subject "See, this is why I didn't play basketball into my 60's and 70's, that greg oden can't do the same things he did when he was in his 20's back in kindgergarden."

    There are many other reasons why this deal won't happen, but for now i'll let you dream your pipe dreams a little more. 
     
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    [QUOTE]I like the idea of the Hornets becoming the Sonics. In regards to the trade? I'd go for it in a heartbeat. We need a player like Paul, no disrespect to Fish as he's a smart player, but getting Paul would be huge. Would take an offensive load of Bryant, which has to happen. Bryant may also get 'better' shots having a guy like Paul on the court. Losing Brown and Blake for Okafor may be hard to swallow though. Okafor would give us a decent big. But we'd lose a lot of strike off our bench. Okafor is solid tough and would cover Bynum's departure. There's positives and negatives to the second part of that trade. But I'd want a big to cover Okafor. And Fish could cover Blake on the bench, and do a better job than Blake. Brown's loss would be the nasty part. Would love to see Chris Paul playing for us. Gives us a long term player for the future as well, unlike Bynum. We could also make some sort of play for Oden if that's possible next season to cover Bynum's departure. Although who know's what sort of role Oden would play when and if he returns to the NBA?
    Posted by RUWorthy[/QUOTE]

    Solid response. See my other post for more in depth.

    What does 'I want a big to cover Okafor mean'

    And you have given up on Bynum as a 24-12 for many years Center? If the Hornets feel he'd be an injury prone bust that gets you 70 games one year 40 the next and goes for 17-9, then they don't make the trade.

    LA or whatever team gets Paul, probbaly has to take Oak's contract b/c it makes it that much more enticing for a future owner.

    You could toss in two 1st rd picks and try to take David West over Oak, but you don't get any bigger or able to defend Shaq/Perk... just get a few more points than Bynum would give you, and I doubt NO would do that over just getting a good return to rent West to another contender.

    Maybe toss in the 1st rd pick or two and try to keep Brown?

     
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    I like the idea of the Hornets becoming the Sonics.

    In regards to the trade? I'd go for it in a heartbeat. We need a player like Paul, no disrespect to Fish as he's a smart player, but getting Paul would be huge. Would take an offensive load of Bryant, which has to happen. Bryant may also get 'better' shots having a guy like Paul on the court.

    Losing Brown and Blake for Okafor may be hard to swallow though. Okafor would give us a decent big. But we'd lose a lot of strike off our bench. Okafor is solid tough and would cover Bynum's departure. There's positives and negatives to the second part of that trade. But I'd want a big to cover Okafor. And Fish could cover Blake on the bench, and do a better job than Blake. Brown's loss would be the nasty part.

    Would love to see Chris Paul playing for us. Gives us a long term player for the future as well, unlike Bynum. We could also make some sort of play for Oden if that's possible next season to cover Bynum's departure. Although who know's what sort of role Oden would play when and if he returns to the NBA?
     
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    David Stern to trade Chris Paul for Andrew Bynum?

    If that happens the value of the Hornets will go down. Stern will have a hard time selling a team with a franchise player that is a distant relative of Sam Bowie. 
     
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    [QUOTE]Rame, please, you're scaring me!!
    Posted by hedleylamarr[/QUOTE]

    Celtics did ok the last time the league let a lopsided offer go LA's way

    I'd see for at least this finals a healthy Celts being better. Our bigs just got way more scary to LA if they lose 3" and 11 points at Center. Oak is a warrior but not a game-changer.

    Rondo could neutralize Paul even giving up ay less points b/c he'd bother LA's sets more than CP would ours... just has to get more assists/steals to go w/ obv more rebounds (and have to become confident in his open 18' shot and be 100% healthy by playoffs of course)

    We'd likely have homecourt as Paul would have to adjust his game and learn triangle and the west is already a beast this year w/ the next 5 best teams better than the East's next best 5 and Boston already 4-0 on Miami/Chicago

    A minor wrinkle is that Rondo clearly dislikes or is motivated to do his best vs Paul and Kobe won't be guarding him anymore.. of if he does then Ray has to make Paul, shorter and lighter than Fish, really pay. Ray was hurt from early game 3 on last year.

    The Shaq-KG duo, with Perk a banger on the bench and Baby gettign better by the day would eat LA's frontcourt up... Gasol is playing great but it is nowhere near the advantage of a year ago.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Bynum for Chris Paul : Solid response. See my other post for more in depth. What does 'I want a big to cover Okafor mean' And you have given up on Bynum as a 24-12 for many years Center? If the Hornets feel he'd be an injury prone bust that gets you 70 games one year 40 the next and goes for 17-9, then they don't make the trade. LA or whatever team gets Paul, probbaly has to take Oak's contract b/c it makes it that much more enticing for a future owner. You could toss in two 1st rd picks and try to take David West over Oak, but you don't get any bigger or able to defend Shaq/Perk... just get a few more points than Bynum would give you, and I doubt NO would do that over just getting a good return to rent West to another contender. Maybe toss in the 1st rd pick or two and try to keep Brown?
    Posted by rameakap[/QUOTE]

    Oops, that was a typo, substitute Bynum where I wrote Okafor.

    I'm more worried about us getting by OKC and San Antonio to be honest. Attempting to build a side to beat the Celtics would be our downfall this season if we go down that route.

     
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    [QUOTE]Delusional if you are the hornets so far as I can tell. 
    Posted by existentialparquet[/QUOTE]

    Really?

    No reason I could see LA not making this trade.

    Only issue for Hornets is if Bynum is going to be a 20-10+ all-star or an oft-injured talent who lacks the heart

    Even LA was told he's a LOCK to be 22-11 from '12-'17... but will just kinda drift through '11 at 17-9, 'working his way back'... and that CP3 will be an 18-12-4-3 and Okafor a 10-10-2 the same 5 years...

    They HAVE to do it, even with the extra 10 million in salary

     
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    [QUOTE]cabin fever
    Posted by maryngary[/QUOTE]

    Definitely!

    HAHAHA!!!
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Bynum for Chris Paul : Really? No reason I could see LA not making this trade. Only issue for Hornets is if Bynum is going to be a 20-10+ all-star or an oft-injured talent who lacks the heart Even LA was told he's a LOCK to be 22-11 from '12-'17... but will just kinda drift through '11 at 17-9, 'working his way back'... and that CP3 will be an 18-12-4-3 and Okafor a 10-10-2 the same 5 years... They HAVE to do it, even with the extra 10 million in salary
    Posted by rameakap[/QUOTE]

    Very good for LA. Terrible for Hornets.
     
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    cabin fever
     
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    Bynum would only get traded for Dwight Howard. And Orlando is not about to trade their franchise player. Mike Brown intends on changing L.A.'s defensive system to focus on the bigs.

    If there is a serious weakness that needs addressing, it's the point guard. Since many of you hate Rondo so much, I'd like to see him get traded to the Lakers along with Big Baby. Of course, if L.A. coud rid itself of Lamar Odumb.

    Never happen!  :)
     
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    [QUOTE]Who does it? and please no 'this is not an LA board' the move be a very interesting and really affect Boston. I'd like to hear the opinion of a classy LA fan like Worthy The straight swap works w/ $. LA gets thin up front and has 3 PG's. It could also be Bynum, the b*tch, Shann Brown and Blake for Paul and Okafor. In that case whoever buys the Hornets would have a team with a measley 40 million in payroll, 3-4 1st rd picks (assuming they trade David West for a 1st rd'er in Feb) a tanked rest of this year to get into the lotto and a solid trio of Jack (28) - Ariza (26) and Bynum (24) all with nice contracts to build on at the 3 most important positions. Then move the team to Seattle and make them the Sonics:-) and LA gets a 20-10 guard and 10-10 F-C to go for unprecedented (since Boston did 8) 4-peat...
    Posted by rameakap[/QUOTE]

    Centers and wings win titles... point guards are generally a generic commodity...  Tony Parker and Chauncy Billups are the only what I would consider good point guards that have won titles over the last 20 years..... Michael, Scottie, Kobe, Shaq, Gasol, and Duncan are the players that have won titles over the last 20 years and on those teams the point guard was generally irrelevant.....Scottie and Michael were the two best "point guards" for the Bulls, Kobe has been the "point guard" all along but when push comes to shove those guys were the reason teams won titles......  so trading Bynum for Paul is silly...... Give me Bynum for just about anyone in the league.......the NBA is a Center / forward league... the college game is driven by guards because it takes longer for BIGs to develop but once they get to the NBA the BIGs are what makes it happen but of course I don't need to give anyone a history lesson...  so this year when and if the Bulls get to the finals it will be because of Boozer and Noah and Deng and Rose but none of it happens without Boozer and Noah.... and if Miami gets there is further exposes the myth.... or as most that play in the league would say "miff".... and they will likely play OKC that has Ibaka, Perk, and Durant and of course Westbrook....

    trading for a point guard is silly....
     
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