10-year plan not so far-fetched anymore

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    Re: 10-year plan not so far-fetched anymore

    Thanks for the negativity... yawn.

    Duncan hasn't been a tier 1 superstar in several years and Paul George is a better player than Tony Parker.

    So half of the four conference finals clubs are T-E-A-M-S... like the '04 Pistons, and not star driven franchises, but deep clubs with five very good starters and a legit bench. 

    The Celtics will absolutely not be involved in a 10 year rebuild. But if you believe so strongly that they will it might be time for you to leave this board.

     
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    Next season is year 2 of the rebuilding process and the Celts are nowhere of becoming contenders.

     

    Even if the Celts get Kevin Love to play with Rondo, the Celts are still not contenders.

     

     

     

    This year's playoffs once again proved that the NBA is a star driven league.

     

    Lebron, Durant, and the Spurs are all in the conference finals.

     

    The Pacers are the only team without a tier 1 superstar.

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    CELTICS ARE GOING TO BE GOLDEN STATE EAST NEXT SEASON......

    EXCITED TO HAVE AT LEAST 9 NEW CELTICS ON THE ROSTER ON OPENING NIGHT  !

    THE OVER / UNDER ON NEW CELTICS ON THE ROSTER IS 8.........

     

     
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    Next season is year 2 of the rebuilding process and the Celts are nowhere of becoming contenders.

    Even if the Celts get Kevin Love to play with Rondo, the Celts are still not contenders.

    This year's playoffs once again proved that the NBA is a star driven league.

    Lebron, Durant, and the Spurs are all in the conference finals.

    The Pacers are the only team without a tier 1 superstar.

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    Zen question: If a team is still rebuilding after 5 years, is it really a "plan"?

    ...the King of the Rumba Beat...

     

     
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    Re: 10-year plan not so far-fetched anymore

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    Next season is year 2 of the rebuilding process and the Celts are nowhere of becoming contenders.

    Even if the Celts get Kevin Love to play with Rondo, the Celts are still not contenders.

    This year's playoffs once again proved that the NBA is a star driven league.

    Lebron, Durant, and the Spurs are all in the conference finals.

    The Pacers are the only team without a tier 1 superstar.

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    Zen question: If a team is still rebuilding after 5 years, is it really a "plan"?

    ...the King of the Rumba Beat...

     

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    We'd have to ask Commy C about the success of "5 Year Plans"...lol..

    There is "no plan" and DA has told us as much...everything is in flux...he's still trying his alchemy to find a secret rebuild sauce. Lightning won't strike twice, the KG/RayRay thing won't occur ever again and there is no LOVE coming to Boston. Get new winter clothes folks because winter is going to be really cold this year.

     
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    rame

     

    Before the Pistons made it to the Finals in 2004, the last time the Pistons were in the Finals was in 1990.

     

    What happened after the "Running of Da Bulls" of the MJ era?

    Last time the Bulls made it to the Finals was back in 1998 and it's already 2014.

     

    How about the "Heart Of A Champion" Rockets?

    The last time the Rockets made it to the Finals was back in 1995.

     

    Same with the Pacers and the Knicks.

    It's been more than 10 years now since those teams made it back to the Finals.

     

    It's not negativity, it's reality!

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      Bulls tanked hard after MJ left.  And they were rewarded handsomely.  NO rings.

     
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    rame

     

    Before the Pistons made it to the Finals in 2004, the last time the Pistons were in the Finals was in 1990.

     

    What happened after the "Running of Da Bulls" of the MJ era?

    Last time the Bulls made it to the Finals was back in 1998 and it's already 2014.

     

    How about the "Heart Of A Champion" Rockets?

    The last time the Rockets made it to the Finals was back in 1995.

     

    Same with the Pacers and the Knicks.

    It's been more than 10 years now since those teams made it back to the Finals.

     

    It's not negativity, it's reality!

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      Bulls tanked hard after MJ left.  And they were rewarded handsomely.  NO rings.

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    Remember.  Only one team wins a championship each year. The other teams are losers whether they make the playoffs or not. 

     
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      It is the tankers that claim lottery picks equal championship.  In that case there should be 14 champions every year.  Or to be generous to the tankers that pretend Jeff Green won the last championship by himself. There should be at least 5 champions every year.  Either way it doesn't add up.

     
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    Re: 10-year plan not so far-fetched anymore

      Chicago drafted          #1 in 1999

                                #4 & #7 in 2000

                                         #4 in 2001

                                         #2 in 2002

                                         #7 in 2003

                                         #3 in 2004

                                         #2 in 2006

                                         #9 in 2007

                                         #1 in 2008

     

      That is a ton of high picks..  That's better lottery "luck" than C's fans could hope for.  They went to the Eastern Conference Finals once in 2011 and got crushed.

     

      Tons of tanking, lots of "luck" plenty of money for nothing.  One trip to the ECF in 16 years is not an accomplishment for any franchise.

     
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      Chicago drafted          #1 in 1999


                                #4 & #7 in 2000


                                         #4 in 2001


                                         #2 in 2002


                                         #7 in 2003


                                         #3 in 2004


                                         #2 in 2006


                                         #9 in 2007


                                         #1 in 2008


     


      That is a ton of high picks..  That's better lottery "luck" than C's fans could hope for.  They went to the Eastern Conference Finals once in 2011 and got crushed.


     ******  THANKS. THIS IS A GREAT STAT TO POINT OUT THAT HIGH PICKS WITHOUT A VISION DON'T MEAN MUCH,

     
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    rame

     

    Before the Pistons made it to the Finals in 2004, the last time the Pistons were in the Finals was in 1990.

     

    What happened after the "Running of Da Bulls" of the MJ era?

    Last time the Bulls made it to the Finals was back in 1998 and it's already 2014.

     

    How about the "Heart Of A Champion" Rockets?

    The last time the Rockets made it to the Finals was back in 1995.

     

    Same with the Pacers and the Knicks.

    It's been more than 10 years now since those teams made it back to the Finals.

     

    It's not negativity, it's reality!

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    So you are saying the Celtcs are going to be in a 4-5 year rebuild?

    I can live with that.

    The last time we were in the finals was 2010 so 10 years from then is 2020. Teams are generally talented, in the playoffs and working their way back up after completing a rebuild 1-3 years before making the finals.

    So a rebuild that started in 2013 will end during the 2017-18 season when the team gets back to the 2nd round, then say ECF in 2019 and the finals in 2010?

    The Rockets were a competitive team still trying to win in 1999. They had Hakeem, Drexler, Barkley. they lost in the 1st round of the playoffs like the Celtics did last year to the Knicks. By 2003-2005 they had rebuilt their team around Yao and Steve Francis and were in the playoffs, by 2008-2009 they were rebuilt again around Yao, McGrady, Lowry and Artest. 

    Just becuase they have not been back to the finals does not mean they have been in a 15 year rebuild.

    The Pacers went from a finals team in 2000 built around Rik Smits, the Davis brothers, Reggie Miller, Mark Jackson and Jalen Rose to a team in 2003-2005 that was 'the brawl' away from being a yearly title contender with only Miller left and Artest, Jermaine O'Neal and others leading the way.

     
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    Re: 10-year plan not so far-fetched anymore

    It's definitely a star-driven league. Tony Parker is the best point guard in the league right now (Chris Paul right behind him). Manu and Duncan still carry their weight when needed. The Spurs do have some nice depth. 

    Pacers, well, they can't beat the Heat anyhow. But if they do it will be because George and Hibbert play like all stars. 

    The Heat have superstars AND play as a team. That's how you win titles. 

    OKC doesn't play as a team, until they do, they won't win a title (losing Ibaka hurt too). 

    Fierce what you have overlooked is especially in the east, you can advance pretty far without having a true superstar. 

    But yeah, you're not winning it all without one.

       
     
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    Re: 10-year plan not so far-fetched anymore

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    So you are saying the Celtcs are going to be in a 4-5 year rebuild?

     

    I can live with that.

     

    The last time we were in the finals was 2010 so 10 years from then is 2020. Teams are generally talented, in the playoffs and working their way back up after completing a rebuild 1-3 years before making the finals.

     

    So a rebuild that started in 2013 will end during the 2017-18 season when the team gets back to the 2nd round, then say ECF in 2019 and the finals in 2010?

     

    The Rockets were a competitive team still trying to win in 1999. They had Hakeem, Drexler, Barkley. they lost in the 1st round of the playoffs like the Celtics did last year to the Knicks. By 2003-2005 they had rebuilt their team around Yao and Steve Francis and were in the playoffs, by 2008-2009 they were rebuilt again around Yao, McGrady, Lowry and Artest. 

     

    Just becuase they have not been back to the finals does not mean they have been in a 15 year rebuild.

     

    The Pacers went from a finals team in 2000 built around Rik Smits, the Davis brothers, Reggie Miller, Mark Jackson and Jalen Rose to a team in 2003-2005 that was 'the brawl' away from being a yearly title contender with only Miller left and Artest, Jermaine O'Neal and others leading the way.

     

     

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    The rebuild will take 2-3 years.

     

     

    After that, it will take another 7 years to turn the team into a contender.

     

     

     

    Lebron won a championship in his 9th year in the NBA.

     

     

     

    Durant is already in his 7th year and he still has no championship ring.

     

    But Durant made the Finals in his 5th year.

     

     

     

    It's not a mystery.

     

    The last 10 years, only the 2004 Pistons didn't have 1st tier superstars and they won a championship.

     

    But the Spurs beat the Pistons in 2005.

     

     

     

    The NBA is a star driven league.

     

    No way the Celts are contenders with Kevin Love and Rondo.

     

    That would be just a slight upgrade over Love and Rubio.

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    but you have to look at the players around them....you can never win with just two people.

     
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    Re: 10-year plan not so far-fetched anymore

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    but you have to look at the players around them....you can never win with just two people.

     

     

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    The Pacers and Clippers are perfect examples of how assembling a group of All-Stars will always lose to teams with legit superstars.

     

     

     

     

    The teams to beat are Lebron's and Durant's teams.

     

     

     

    Lebron and Durant are basically unguardable. 

     

     

     

    Sure Rondo and Love might make it to the east finals or the NBA Finals, but the question is, will Rondo and Love be able to beat Lebron's team or Durant's team?

     

     

     

    We must NOT settle for just being very good.

     

    The Celts need to be one of the best.

     

     

     

    Remember how it felt after the 2010 Finals was over?

     

    It sucked right?

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    oh i agree with you...but i'm not saying we should get love..we could go after another player..but man love would look good with the celtics..it all depends who can we get with that 6th pick..can he be as good as love? can we get love to opt-in on his player option? it's going to be a tuff call for DA...i'm good if we get love and i'm good if we use our picks...

     
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    oh i agree with you...but i'm not saying we should get love..we could go after another player..but man love would look good with the celtics..it all depends who can we get with that 6th pick..can he be as good as love? can we get love to opt-in on his player option? it's going to be a tuff call for DA...i'm good if we get love and i'm good if we use our picks...

     

     

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    True.

     

     

     

     

    I think Ainge has no choice if Love becomes available.

     

    The Celts might not win a championship with Love, but it's good for business if the Celts have Love.

     

    Celts always make the playoffs so the owners get more money.

     

    The only downside is us Celtic fans will have to endure not winning a championship every year.

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    we don't win championships every year anyway...lol...1 every 3 years would be nice...

     

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