14-17, we are what our record says we are? Are we worse than the FAKERS?

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    Re: 14-17, we are what our record says we are? Are we worse than the FAKERS?

    yes we are worse than the lakers.  we have doc rivers, the anti-motivator, the zero strategy guy, the "players can no longer hear or stand to hear his voice" guy.  we have doc rivers, the musical chairs howdy doody rotation guy, the role alterer, the man who is SILENT when our veterans stink up the joint.

    some call that last knock on dock the crock "being a player's coach".  i call it being a hypocrite.

    if anyone REALLY THINKS that this team would NOT be better off without doc rivers, you need to have your head examined.  FORGET about the contract and salary, buyouts and rapid exits can always be arranged.  It's the RIGHT thing to do.  anything short of that is continuing to foist upon the fans a PHONY bill of sale = a team that was going to compete for it all this year


    with doc at the helm these guys are all stinking it up hardcore.  some of them i can't blame.  i do however blame rondo.  he has been given the benefit of every doubt and every inch that was taken he has taken a MILE as far as being a bratty selfish nincompoop who only shows up to really play basketball every 5 to 12 games.  that's not enough for his pay grade.  it's not enough for ANY starting player in the league

     
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    Re: 14-17, we are what our record says we are? Are we worse than the FAKERS?

    we made the mistake of letting thibodeau go.  we do not need to engage in the mistake of now having some demented love affair with an incompetent bozo named doc rivers!!  can't you see that this team has QUIT on him????  and i think it's with good reason.  he has no schemes.  he urges rondo to make NO CHANGES to his DEATH KNELL GAME of pounding the ball to death and then we play hot potato for deep contested 2's and contested 3's. 

    THAT my friend is not an offense.  our defense stinks.  our rebounding stinks.  yes, our personnel is not great but we are playing so far below the level of talent that we haev it's not even funny.  like i said, do not get hung up on WHO the new coach would be.  name a STINKING INTERIM COACH and be done with it.  i don't care who it is.

    ask green how much doc stabilizes his life?  he was finally red hot tonight and only got 14 minutes!  ask bass how well doc has stabilized his role, banning bass from doing any post ups!!???  the results speak for themselves.

     
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    "we made the mistake of letting thibodeau go"

    LOL, c'mon Acie, you don't stop someone from taking a head coaching job...

    Commie the Lakers comparisons are really not relevant, comparing our team to the Lakers just encourages our Laker troll contingent to think their team is somehow relevant to the discussion here. 

    If the Lakers were worse than us it wouldn't make things feel any better. 

    I'm surprised how many people are surprised by the struggles of our aging team. This scenario was predictable. Bradley will help, Ainge will make a move or two or three, and we'll see what's what. 

     

     
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    Re: 14-17, we are what our record says we are? Are we worse than the FAKERS?

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    ask green how much doc stabilizes his life?  he was finally red hot tonight and only got 14 minutes!  ask bass how well doc has stabilized his role, banning bass from doing any post ups!!???  the results speak for themselves.

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    How does Jason Collins get more minutes ? lol

     
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    Has Doc become the teflon coach or something?? 

    Now I'm hearing dont blame Doc, we dont have the talent... well preseason, all I read about was how deep this team is, we really upgraded from last season when we got to game 7 of the ecf.

    Bottom line is both our offense and defense look like a chinese fire drill..  it lacks organization, strategy and/or enforcement. This is coaching 101 and Doc is a failure imo... just watch the games.  Is every player on the team just plain stupid they cant rotate properly defensively???

    Is Rondo so stupid that he's not heeding Docs pleas to man up on defense  or either run a play or move the ball on offense?

    At what point does one realize this falls on the coaches shoulders?

    Instead of a clipboard, Doc should be holding pom poms on the sidelines.. His rotations make ZERO sense... he has no feel for the flow of the game in that when a player has it going... you ride him... you dont limit his minutes and put another guy in that isnt effective. I bet most of the players feel a resentment for DOc for not allowing them to earn more minutes. Wheres their motivation??  Go out and play hard, have your shot dropping, have it going good.. then yanked and buried on the bench.  Yea, Docs a players coach where your a HOF player or a snot nosed , spoiled brat PG that Doc has virtually said  he has turned the in-game coaching over to,.  Imagine that...so whats left for Doc to do.. pom poms

     
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    Re: 14-17, we are what our record says we are? Are we worse than the FAKERS?

    Soon you will be back to 15-67, so just rehire ML Carr and his towel or Rick Patino and get on with it.

     
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    Soon you will be back to 15-67, so just rehire ML Carr and his towel or Rick Patino and get on with it.

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    PITINO!

     
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    "we made the mistake of letting thibodeau go"

    LOL, c'mon Acie, you don't stop someone from taking a head coaching job...

     

     

    but yes, you do stop a thibs from leaving town, by recognizing that he was a lot better coach for the celtics than rivers.  rivers' time to go DOWN THE RIVER was when thibs was ready to BE a head coach.

    dammit this stuff is not that complicated, how come people don't get it?

     
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    Has Doc become the teflon coach or something?? 

    Now I'm hearing dont blame Doc, we dont have the talent... well preseason, all I read about was how deep this team is, we really upgraded from last season when we got to game 7 of the ecf.

    Is Rondo so stupid that he's not heeding Docs pleas to man up on defense  or either run a play or move the ball on offense?

    At what point does one realize this falls on the coaches shoulders?

    Instead of a clipboard, Doc should be holding pom poms on the sidelines.. His rotations make ZERO sense... he has no feel for the flow of the game in that when a player has it going... you ride him... you dont limit his minutes and put another guy in that isnt effective. I bet most of the players feel a resentment for DOc for not allowing them to earn more minutes. Wheres their motivation??  Go out and play hard, have your shot dropping, have it going good.. then yanked and buried on the bench.  Yea, Docs a players coach where your a HOF player or a snot nosed , spoiled brat PG that Doc has virtually said  he has turned the in-game coaching over to,.  Imagine that...so whats left for Doc to do.. pom poms

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    yes, thank you for being lucid and not being afraid to admit it.  this team as currently constructed WITH A FUNCTIONAL DARKO TO MOP UP TWENTY MINUTES A NIGHT AT THE FIVE might have been the same or a little better than last year's team.

    however, only the blind and the brain dead homers can HONESTLY believe that when:

    1) courtney lee

    2) jason terry

    3) jeff green

    4) brandon bass


    all show up PLAYING THE WORST BALL OF THEIR CAREERS to match the LACK OF EFFORT AND HUSTLE OF OUR SUPPOSED SUPER-VETERANS--------------------  this is a COACHING ISSUE.

     
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    Facts don't support you claim.

    When Doc had the best record in 2008, the Celts won a championship.

    In 2011, Thibs had the NBA's best record and the MVP of the league. But the Bulls didn't make it to the Finals.

    Last season the Bulls were once again the #1 seed. When Rose went down, the #1 Bulls got eliminated by the #8 Sixers.

    When KG missed the playoffs in 2009, the Celtics still took Orlando to Game 7 in the 2nd round of the playoffs.

    Again, saying that Thibs is better than Doc is not supported by facts.

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    OK fierce a/k/a captain factoids....  how has our help defense been since thibodeau left? we used to hang our hat on it, now we hang our heads in shame on the defensive end.  without thibodeau to run it for 2008, there IS no championship.  there furthermore is NEVER the emergence of glen davis as a useful player and superb help defender without a HELP DEFENSE SYSTEM.....  right?

    and don't look now but there's the other hand of your own idiocy to slap you- without davis as a useful player and good help defender, there is NOTHING TO COME IN AND HELP US IN 09 WHEN KG GETS HURT....  right?

    or do you have different facts?

    or you can just go ahead and tell us what doc rivers is so good at with his coaching techniques.  we know he's good at out of bounds plays.  so are many high school coaches.  has he been good at getting the most out of jeff green?  has he brought bass' game to antoher level, or even up to being worth $6M /year?  how about that courtney lee- he used to be a good little punch coming off the bench until he came to boston.  and this jeff green is really THRIVING in green....

    not to mention rondo, the enigma wrapped up in the encasing of a three dollar bill / moron.  his game never evolves year to year to year and he's headed right back down to 10 points a game for a team that needs him to average 18 and play with a totally different mindset of pushing the tempo instead of being a shot clock killer ball hog.

     

    but you g'head and tell us how doc is wonderful since your'e so smart and you have all the facts nailed down.

    name me the 18 MILLION DOLLARS in dead weight performers that the bulls have right now.  they just seem to keep fitting pieces in, don't they?!!  funny how that goes- might have something to do with coaching, HUMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM??????????????????  why they even picked up rejects rip hamilton and nate robinson and have them performing in valuable roles!!! 

    that painful sensation fierce is you stepping on your own wang again

     
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    your logic also stinks fierce- the bulls' star was 22 y/o in 2011.  the celts stars were all over 32 when they won it.  teams rarely win it with a star who is 22..  totally different teams.  yet thibodeau gets more from less all day long compared to crock rivers.  learn it, live it, love it.  because those are the facts.  how many HOF-ers are on that team thibs had in 2011?  or now?  they are on the way up and we are on the way down the toilet with major personnel problems thanks to rivers' basketball IQ being pierce's jersey number

     
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    Re: 14-17, we are what our record says we are? Are we worse than the FAKERS?

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    OK fierce a/k/a captain factoids....  how has our help defense been since thibodeau left? we used to hang our hat on it, now we hang our heads in shame on the defensive end.  without thibodeau to run it for 2008, there IS no championship.  there furthermore is NEVER the emergence of glen davis as a useful player and superb help defender without a HELP DEFENSE SYSTEM.....  right?

    and don't look now but there's the other hand of your own idiocy to slap you- without davis as a useful player and good help defender, there is NOTHING TO COME IN AND HELP US IN 09 WHEN KG GETS HURT....  right?

    or do you have different facts?

    or you can just go ahead and tell us what doc rivers is so good at with his coaching techniques.  we know he's good at out of bounds plays.  so are many high school coaches.  has he been good at getting the most out of jeff green?  has he brought bass' game to antoher level, or even up to being worth $6M /year?  how about that courtney lee- he used to be a good little punch coming off the bench until he came to boston.  and this jeff green is really THRIVING in green....

    not to mention rondo, the enigma wrapped up in the encasing of a three dollar bill / moron.  his game never evolves year to year to year and he's headed right back down to 10 points a game for a team that needs him to average 18 and play with a totally different mindset of pushing the tempo instead of being a shot clock killer ball hog.

     

    but you g'head and tell us how doc is wonderful since your'e so smart and you have all the facts nailed down.

    name me the 18 MILLION DOLLARS in dead weight performers that the bulls have right now.  they just seem to keep fitting pieces in, don't they?!!  funny how that goes- might have something to do with coaching, HUMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM??????????????????  why they even picked up rejects rip hamilton and nate robinson and have them performing in valuable roles!!! 

    that painful sensation fierce is you stepping on your own wang again

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    Come on, Acie.  Fierce is exactly right - our defense has remained strong and top 3 every year until this year, both in opponents field goal % and in points allowed.  Try to be somewhat objective, man, and not just an angry hater.   Criticize, but provide some reasonable analysis when you do so rather than all emotion.

     
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    acie

    I've already discussed this with another poster.

    When Thibs left, the Celts were #1 in the league in points allowed, 91.1 ppg. They were also 3rd in the league in opponent FG%, 43.4%.

    Last season, the Celts were #2 in points allowed, 89.3 ppg, and #1 in opponent FG%, 41.9%.

    So saying that our defense got worse when Thibs left is simply not true.

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    You are delusional.........the points allowed per game can be blown apart because because of the slow walk the ball up and utilize the clock in half court.....that means that the opponent takes less shots which in turn means they score less points........nothing to do with defense.....just has to do with the number of shots taken.....you take less shots you score less points.....

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    So what's your excuse for us having top 5 field opponent firled goal % every year?  Is that not good D?  Until this year, we have maintained a great defensive team.   But this is what happens once you get a bunch of soft players.

     
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