Re: 2014 Celtic's Draft
posted at 7/7/2014 11:27 AM EDT
In response to wozzy's comment:
In response to rkarp's comment:
Well no, I was not on the board on draft night. but after the draft, I did say that Smart was ready to defend in the NBA now, but was going to be really limited offensively, with teams sagging off of him as they did with Rondo. I also said he needs about 2 years to be ready here (I also said Young needed 4 years)
I will stand by my earlier assessment, in spite of 1 d-league game. Smart, like any young player, will need plenty of time. Young will be in the D-league most of the year. Adams will hang around on his rookie deal and not make a mark in the league...
You should check out Hollinger if you like to study draft able players and metrics used in deciding why a pick was selected..lets face it, your NFL draft rating system was not really accurate, why would your NBA rating system be?
"c'mon Woz. a beast at the NCAA level, but just another 3rd guard in the NBA on a playoff team. Can he cover an elite PG? No, he simply is not quick enough. Can he get into the paint in the NBA? Again, no quickness. Can he create his own shot? He really has no shot. Smart is a heady player, really strong for a guard. Can defend big guards in college, but not really in the NBA."
That is what you said. This was my response to a similar comment on a different thread:
"Actual production is less important to some posters here than "potential" talent. And yet the fact he's the most physically gifted (talented) at the point guard position in 2014/2013 does not matter much either apparently? His lane agility time in the NBA combine was faster than Russell Westbrook, John Wall and Chris Paul. He's 6'3" with a 6'9" wingspan, big hands, 220 pounds, he benched 19 reps of 185 lbs making him historically strong for a point guard or any guard for that matter. Amazing production, amazing talent... if it were raining money the same moaners here would be complaining about the quarters hitting them on the head."
You seem to equate big and/or carrying more mass as "not athletic." Both of these guys are bigger than the opponent guarding them, but they are athletic enough and basketball savvy enough where that is a positive. Smart looked to have no problem with the clock running down the other day creating his own shot against two defenders and hitting a dagger jump shot. Neither of these guys are fat, they are incredibly strong and muscular though.
I'll revisit this thread as the season progresses to see if I am wrong. Out of the 1000+ players who enter the NFL draft the 20+ I choose every year predominately go on to have successful careers. And while I might have had a hard time picking Patriot's draftees THIS year I also had Jamie Collins rated as the best outside linebacker in the draft last year going to the Patriots and Nate Solder as the highest rated tackle going to the Pats prior, so I'm not exactly bad in that department either in a process that at its heart is a total crapshoot.
I'd hold my draft boards up for examination against anybody here, but then I'm one of the few posters who holds them self accountable with a dedicated thread and chooses players outside of Kiper's mock draft as the best player's available, just like I did with this thread.
I believe the players I mocked here will become the best players available at their respective positions from where the Celtics were picking and time will tell if I'm wrong, not opinions.
I nailed the top 7, except I had us taking Gordon, and ORL taking Smart. I had us taking Young at 17, Capela going to HOU, and ORL taking a PG with one of its' top 2 picks.
Can say I don't know much about Adams. I personally don't like Ennis, and I think Nurkic and Capela will be better than Tavares.
Anderson at 17 was too high, but I do like him.
You nailed Vonleh, and I still don't understand why we didn't take him.