2:55 in the fourth- Bass becomes invisible man on D and allows Josh Smith DUNK for Hawks lead!

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    2:55 in the fourth- Bass becomes invisible man on D and allows Josh Smith DUNK for Hawks lead!

    I love this game!

    This kid is a great athlete!

    Who regularly gets beaten on straight up match ups and STINKS!  Fratello couldn't call it straight if it was a game of Bass against himself in an empty gym- Bass would still get lost on defense. 

    There should have been NO rotation on a straight up matchup- Smith can't shoot from the outside for a decent percentage, so you just don't get up so close on him that he can blow by you!!  Easy!  Right?  No, not easy if your #30
     
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    Any chance we can send Bass to the D League after making him run summer league with a personal defensive coach? 

    I'm serious when I ask that.  Welcome him back when he can play some defense.  Until then what good is he?
     
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    bass is a good offensive player and gets some rebounds....obviously he didnt play much defense on that play....but based on your logic, everyone on the team besides KG should be sent to the D-league because they were all sloppy and played poor D
     
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    bass is a good offensive player and gets some rebounds....obviously he didnt play much defense on that play....but based on your logic, everyone on the team besides KG should be sent to the D-league because they were all sloppy and played poor D
    Posted by redsoxfan94


    +1
     
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    Did Bass steal your lunch money?
     
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    He wasn't the only invisible player....this game was won by experience not much else. Thank God for KG!
     
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    Bass did not play well.  I think in the next series he will match up better with Philly.
     
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    bass is a good offensive player and gets some rebounds....obviously he didnt play much defense on that play....but based on your logic, everyone on the team besides KG should be sent to the D-league because they were all sloppy and played poor D
    Posted by redsoxfan94


    oh please.  there's only one guy on the celts this series who has played 30+ mins every night and vastly given away his matchup.

    yeah, other people made some mistakes, but BB keeps making the same ones over and over and over.  it's a variety of defensive mistakes, not just one.

    listen, we have this guy for a number of years now.  as soon as the gong goes off and this season is over, he needs to get with a special defensive coach and get his crap together. 

    i have read many articles on the internet from BEFORE this year about Bass' trademark move on D being "turning his head" the WRONG way to enable easy scores.  If he only did that once in a while then it'd be okay.

    But he gets lost and doesn't fight through screens, he makes inexplicable switching decisions and then doesn't get back to either block a shot or take a charge.  I realize he looks a lot more pleasant cosmetically, nice muscley arms, etc, gives the appearance of a "great athlete" but at least davis was willing to plug holes with his body, and it worked for us.  Bass is repeatedly doing neither. 

    Obviously Bass is not alone as far as playing poorly.  I don't know how much to expect from Avery Bradley (separated shoulder), Ray Allen (bad crankles again) and I thought Pierce's mobility tonight was miraculous considering a strained MCL (puts a lump in yer troat), even though he wasn't much good down the stretch.

    I don't just have issues with Bass's play.  But he's been consistently sub-par.

    I want him to improve on D.  And he will need some intensive help to do so.  I hope they get it for him.  who to call?  I've been trying to think of who.  A guy like Bobby Jones I suppose.
     
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    its getting old Acie, the dumps you are taking are ruining the winning vibe defending Bass over Baby is like wanting Acie Earl over Nick Van Exel (Bird choice) in that '93 draft
    Posted by rameakap


    you are the only one talking about Davis in the upper half of this thread.  my commentary was on a specific moment in this game that was a horrendous moment.  there were others committed by bass and also other players.  but through this series, in every single game, no player has been more of a bozo on defense than bass.

    i really do wish the kid was doing better for us.  if he was scoring 18 a night and giving away 18 then maybe you say "ok" and shrug your shoulders.  but he isn't.  the buckets he is forfeiting are maddeningly easy for the other team.

    we have to reduce this occurrence in round 2.  the last thing you want to do is given elton brand hope that he's a relevant forward in the playoffs again.
     
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    I have to agree with you on this one...Down the stretch, you cannot let your man blow by you...no excuse..I don't care if there was no help..at least fowl they guy, get in his way, trip him or something..i could have scored that lay up...not good for a team that hangs its hat on defense...Im sure doc was incensed...this game was much harder than it needed to be..and all because of silly turnovers, and lack of smarts down the stretch...I want to give credit to Atlanta for hangin in there, but really it was the Celts letting them hang around...we better pick it up or this home court advantage won't mean much...it is, what it is...
     
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    y ru so mad bro?
     
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    acie points are right on imo regarding Bass.

    Even his open jumpers have to be almost wide open or he'll use a weak pump fake, then freeze with the ball. And I mean FREEZE b/c he is in total nervous mode. Never understood the pump fake from outside when its your shot and you have room to get it off.

    He's had an attrocious series in every repect. Hope whatever his issues are, somehow a few of them are healed for the 6ers.
     
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    Horford and Smith are way too athletic than Bass.  Bass weight over 250 pounds while Smith is only 225 pounds and Horford is 6 10 weighing 250.  Size and height is a factor on why Bass cant stop either one!

    Who care, this game is not all about one person.  It is about team.  That was why Boston won the series!!

    Atlanta may be more athletic than Boston, but Boston are more smarter and experience team which that was why Boston won the series!!
     
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    The thing the Celtics have to worry about is not Bass.  What they need to worry about is why the last two games the Hawks continually had wide open looks from the three point line.  This will sink the Celtics if the defense doesn't fix it down the road.
     
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    Bass is a terrible defensive player. The reality is if he isn't hitting his J he's not a very helpful player. Nothing worse then him pump faking on his sweet spot shot because that's all he's good for. He got away with it in the regular season but in the playoffs they scout and know he's hot garbage on D. He needs to elevate his game.
     
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    Bass is a terrible defensive player. The reality is if he isn't hitting his J he's not a very helpful player. Nothing worse then him pump faking on his sweet spot shot because that's all he's good for. He got away with it in the regular season but in the playoffs they scout and know he's hot garbage on D. He needs to elevate his game.
    Posted by tompenny


    Agreed.  the game has gotten faster and he is still sitting there thinking he is going to get open jump shots and easy dunks.  It isn't going to happen anymore.  He needs to pick it up.
     
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    In Response to Re: 2:55 in the fourth- Bass becomes invisible man on D and allows Josh Smith DUNK for Hawks lead! : Oh forgive us for having the gall to assume this slamming negative trash thread of Bass would be completely unrelated to your year-long desire to have kept Big Baby... gag me So if this is truly a thread about how terrible Bass has been, with no implication BBD would have been better, and that you've simply had enough and just needed to put it down in words I'll take it at face value and say that although Bass has not played up to the standard we set for him when he became a regular season starter this thread in the wake of a victory and advancing to the 2nd rd is really sour grapes and negative Besides, Ray, Pietrus and Avery all had worse games....
    Posted by rameakap


    you're right, we'll pick on two injured guys who both need surgery and a guy who just got his brain stem racked and it's a miracle he's playing at all vs. the healthy bodied bass.

    i wrote elsewhere last night and addressed your very weak whine about "the others who stunk" by stating the obvious- how much can you expect out of ray and avery- two guys who need surgery.  I can't remember another player trying to play with a separated shoulder, can you?  Pietrus?  in general he has been a disappointment all year long.  I haven't seen him reach his previous level of play since the head injury.  Nor have I seen Marquis Daniels do that either. 

    so if you'd like to start a thread rangling the injured then that's great.

    i started a thread about the moment in the game where josh smith DROVE RIGHT FOR THE THIRD TIME ON BASS FOR A LAYUP, DUNK or AND ONE, because it was a disgusting moment in the game, among a lot of very frustrating moments in recent games.  the people who are NOT injured who I've seen do the most damage to this team are Rondo and Bass and to a lesser extent, because he plays less minutes, Hollins with his godawful defense that is not erased by any offensive contributions.

    So I talk about them.  Apparently you'd rather ride the injured guys, ray, pierce, and avery like sea biscuit.
     
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    Bass needs to play Elton Brand to a draw this next series Brand was an 11 point 7 rebound guy this regular season in 29 minutes, he was an 8 point 5.5 rebound guy in the playoffs against the Bulls formidable frontcourt D. Anything more than a 12/7 from Brand with Bass getting anything less than a 13/6 for the seris will be a serious dissapointment.
    Posted by rameakap


    you overlook the fact that brand actually played decent ball the last two games of the PHI series- good numbers offensively and blocked shots.

    in the shape that bass is in defensively and his lack of offensive production, i think he needs to have his minutes trimmed back.

    or look at it the other way- WHAT has Steamer done (badly) so as to have his minutes limited to FIVE a game?  This makes no sense to me.  Adding Steamer to a front line with Garnett playing the four for considerable minutes could really give us an advantage against a pest of a PHI team that has bothered us for years way beyond what they should have.

    i say give bass the first half to 2/3 of the 1st and 3rd quarters and go from there.  if he's not productive then bring on the steamer.  if he's hot, let him stay in there until he cools.  to be honest, i have not seen him "hot" in the playoffs yet. 

    trust me when i tell you that elton brand has been watching video of bass' bad defense in this ATL series and feels empowered right now.  i'd like to see steamer/hollins chase hawes around the court rather than KG and put KG on brand for a good dosage of minutes.

    do you have any compelling arguement against that?  and please do not bring up glen davis.
     
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    In the last 5 minutes of a game, i would rather trade in and out. Steamer and Hollins.

     
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    Any chance we can send Bass to the D League after making him run summer league with a personal defensive coach?  I'm serious when I ask that.  Welcome him back when he can play some defense.  Until then what good is he?
    Posted by aciemvp


    The C's essentially got Bass for Davis in a free agent swap. The Celts got the better of the deal. That said, Bass might be playing with an injury. He doesn't look right, to me.
     
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    Bass is better than Baby, but he has some limitations.....#1 is length.  So it looks like he has problems.   He is so much better for this team than baby because he knows what he can do and does it.  Baby is just that.....a baby.  Lets move on.
     
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    Acie, Bass has been your whipping boy all season as you pine for Big Baby, back over in reality, i have posted little this season as this team failed to capture my interest at the same level that it did in previous years, for a number of reasons, not just bass/davis exchange and now that you continue to trash him in the playoffs you say we can't bring up Baby and all the reasons why the trade made sense to you (for the millionth time) and how we have no idea if there was any other/better players Danny could have traded for? my post that YOU responded to was talking about "what do we do in the philly series" not anything about glen davis.  the reality is, and i did NOT wish it to be like this, that bass has played horribly- and you better believe that there's been some video sessions with brand licking his chops at the prospects of working bass over- he's bigger and stronger than josh smith.  i say KG on brand for significant time is a much better bet than just a carte blanche 34 minutes of bass on brand- based not on glen davis, but on how bass himself is played.  for cripe sakes, your'e like a liberal whining about george bush.  yes, i am convinced that this was a bad trade for the celtics.  right now i'm trying to figure out what's th best thing to do with bass v. brand and your'e throwing glen davis blather back at me instead of debating the ideas i put forward, which include an effort to keep bass involved, keep him as a starter, and still hope that he does well, but be good and damn ready to go to plan B if he continues like he did vs. ATL  It's not like in '09 when we could have sent the big 3 to McDyess's door with that full MLE offer and instead they went to Sheed's. I was hoping to swap Baby, JO and a pick for Kaman, but of course that never materialized. Speaking of Jermaine, wasn't he supposed to be healthy? Is this stand up comedy?  Are you really serious?  How many games did jerlame play for us last year, after MONTHS of spa treatment to try to trick his body into thinking it was healthy?  for our mgt to "believe" that jerlame, after all these YEARS AND YEARS of sub-optimal and injury riddled play was somehow going to show up and play 60 games and the playoffs for us is laughable and sad at the same time.  just the mere act of getting out pen and paper with intent to sign him (and sheed for that matter) for TWO YEARS was foolhardy- membah in 200X when we swept the Heat and jerlame shot 19% from the floor after being "healthy" all year for the first time in years?  Why would you sign that dude for TWO YEARS?  The man was made for life- just a dumb move, even dumber to expect after the first year results that he wouldn't snap like a dried out rubber band, somehow, some way once again in year 2.  The workout wonder from the moment the lockout ended wh was to replace Perk's 8-8-2 as paint protection in like 22-26 minutes a night? Oh right, I' not supposed to bring up INJURIES either... it's all Bass's fault for not being a star PF when he was expected to be a 6th-7th man... yuck. We swapped out an 11.7 point 5.3 rebound 6'8" PF last year for an 11.2/5.7 PF who costs a lot less and gives us the flexibility to persue a better option than either Bass or Baby this summer. Enough already with the Bass hate. Well all in all, a nice typical try for censorship by detraction, yet it all falls short.  I am really not sure who i going to be interested in Bass @3M x 3 years after this year after watching him thus far in the playoffs.  i hope he can turn it around so he is worth keeping for us or able to be traded for fair value and not just a piece of paper expiring contract.  What I say is not "hate" it is reality as expressed through statistics, the fact that Davis is now a BETTER rebounder this year (the big knock on him last year) and Davis was and remains a MUCH BETTER defensive player, better post moves, better handling of the ball both dribbling and ball movement, passing, better pick setter, and was the lynch pin of our help defense system that enabled us to be 33-8 last year and Davis as 6th man the last few years has filled a couple roles of defensive help system "hole filler" taking charges and also able to mash around against the biggest and best 5's in the league because of his superb upper and lower body strength- nobody can move him around. 

    If you think that any of that involves hatred of Bass then you need to rush to the store and get some fish oil caplets because I fear that your IQ involves only the numbers 5 and 9 and you can pick which way to arrange them. 

    If a team makes a mistake in dealing away a grit hustle player for a grit hustle player with a lot less overall skills just because it's a penny wise pound foolish deal then i have the right to be upset about it. 

    Beyond that, I have the right to be ANGRY last night when I see Josh Smith drive RIGHT on Bass for what was the third or fourth time in the SAME game for an easy layup/dunk to TIE the game to cap off a (not the first one in the series!) give-away-the-store 14-4 run. 

    every time our team give away leads like that it makes it so much harder.  letting the other team actually TAKE the lead is the ultimate moment of their empowerment and your deflation.  it was like we had to win that game 2.5 times last night instead of once and thanks be to God for the hellen keller ref who didn't whistle marquis for the dead ball freebie foul that should have been. 

    And, NO, Bass did not personally give away all of those 14 points on that run, but that particular play was conduct detrimental to the team by bass- he'd been run in for layups by smith "going right" thrice before!  So stop forcing him to the right by getting TOO far up close on a guy who is quicker than you... perhaps back off a step and take a straight up defensive stance?!  did nobody coach brandon on how to do that during one of the many pauses in the game in between the "josh smith drives right vs. Bass for a dunk or layup" repetitive episodes? 

    Bass needs some help on D, both mentally and how to position himself.  And they should start giving it to him.  He should have the physical tools to prevent getting up so close to smith, a generally substandard outside shooter, that smith can drive him to his WEAK HAND for a gimme dunk/layup. 

    Yes, watching that happen four times in a game with the fourth one being for ATL to take the lead with 3 minutes to go after we were up 14 just a couple minutes earlier is horrifying to me.  and it's nothing personal against Bass, he just happened to be playing D all four times it happened.  I am sorry that I had the audacity to expect that he correct his defensive technique at some point in the game after making the same mistake multiple times.  If smith had hit some sort of well defended shot or an ill advised typical smith-esque fading 22 foot jumper, I would not have said a word....

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    In Response to Re: 2:55 in the fourth- Bass becomes invisible man on D and allows Josh Smith DUNK for Hawks lead! : Brand's STELLER 5 point 5 rebound averages in 32-33 minutes the last two playoff games  i could have sworn i looked at the game chart and brand had shown signs of coming alive late in the last series for PHI, maybe i read that backwards.  but anyway, it doesn't matter- brand is NOT brandon bass, a career 8 point scorer.  he used to be a guy who was very effective.  last year he had a pretty solid year.  i don't know why his numbers were so squalid this year comparatively speaking to the rest of his career.  all blathering aside, he REMAINS something to be worried about in this series, esp given the way bass has played defense lately.  sure are impressive Acie... oh wait he got 3 blocks ingame 5 and 2 in game 6 so that makes up for it when the Sixers were a -7 over the Bulls those 2 games. YAWN At least Bass gave us a 10/6.5 avg over the same games 5/6...oh but he only had 2 blocks to Brand's 5. Yes, defense is a problem but there is no way Brand played any better than bass over those 2 games. Bass matches up with brand better than Steamer/Hollins do IMO. and my point was, and remains, that getting KG some time to stifle brand and hopefully draw brand to play defense on him would be GREAT for KG, who has played multiple 40 minute games to get us by ATL and I am VERY confident that KG can run the hell out of the table on Brand on both ends of the floor!  Do you disagree?  Doc says that Hollins earned his minutes over Steamer in practice these last few weeks. He did have the biggest rebound of the game. Hollins is an enigma to me.  The body of robert parsh and the brains of i don't know what.  He is a below average rebounder and gave away multiple fast break layups by his man during nutcupping time last night by trotting back backwards instead of finding his man on the break and preventing him from getting the ball for a gimme layup in Game 6.  That's enough to make the discerning fan pull their hair out and break the TV set.  I certainyl want to see Stiemsma/Hollins on Hawes a lot and NEVER see Bass on him. Let's be positive and hope brandon has a great series. Nobody will be happier than me to see Brandon have a great series.  But if he starts out the same as he was in the ATL series, we have to reduce his minutes and move KG over the the 4 and frankly KG would greatly benefit from that move.  With so many players injured he needs to up his game. He turned a 12.5/6.2 regular season into a 9/5.5 playoffs. That is like 20% worse. The stats say 20% worse but his poor defense in pressure situations and even early-in-the-game play sequences has been brootal.  taken as a whole, including his blocked shots and some scattered nice individual and help defensive plays, bass' defense still has an overall rating of: fair to poor plus.  With so many players injured and the stakes raised you want to see him play 20% better. A 15/8 from Bass over the course of this series while brand stays an 11/7 will be critical.  If the numbers in that matchup fall like that then we are going to win, barring further injury to Pierce and assuming that Ray is at least quasi-functional.  But it would really take a BIG turnaround for Brandon to achieve 15 and 8 in a playoff series.  If he could just hold his points numbers steady on more efficient field goal shooting and improve his focus and effectiveness on defense drastically, then we'd be arguably even better off. 
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    Re: 2:55 in the fourth- Bass becomes invisible man on D and allows Josh Smith DUNK for Hawks lead!

    Not sure Baby gets this much press for the whole year in Orlando.
     
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    Bass should do better against Brand for sure. He looked a little more clear headed the last couple games. So hopefully he is ready now for Celtics playoff basketball. Go Celtics!
     
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