Ainge was right, when he preferred Rondo to Roy or Foye

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    In Response to Re: Ainge was right, when he preferred Rondo to Roy or Foye : Again not knocking Rondo.  I think Paul and Ray have plenty to do with it. Shot selection for one.  Paul does not force as many shots as he use to.  Ray is getting open looks.  This all comes from the TEAMWORK and sharing the shots.  I think Rondo helps KG, BB, Perk, and Shaq a lot more than he does Ray and Paul.  Most of Pauls shots do not come off of a Rondo pass, he creates more of his own, and we need that type of player.  Rays shots usually come from a feed by Rondo and occasionally PP, since he does'nt created a lot.  Rondo looks for Ray more than any player on the team and theres nothing wrong with that.  All in the framework of the team.  Add all this up and we have a well oiled machine in my book.
    Posted by OneOnOne


    Paul doesn't force shots because he is a Rondo believer too. He knows the ball will come to him if he is open so he doesn't have to try to force anything. I think PP is playing the best BB of his career this year. He may not be able to go oneonone as well as he used to but he doesn't need to. His game is headier and more reliable as a result.

    Rondo is the main reason for this change.
     
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    In Response to Re: Ainge was right, when he preferred Rondo to Roy or Foye : Paul doesn't force shots because he is a Rondo believer too. He knows the ball will come to him if he is open so he doesn't have to try to force anything. I think PP is playing the best BB of his career this year. He may not be able to go oneonone as well as he used to but he doesn't need to. His game is headier and more reliable as a result. Rondo is the main reason for this change.
    Posted by gtown07


    I won't argue with you on it. Valid points.  I think its the team more than just Rondo.  Everyone knows their role.  Paul knows KG, Ray, and others can deliver, that is the main reason he isn't forcing shots.  ONEONEONE reference, I like it.  HA HA.  As I have said numerous times Rondo is a big part, doing his job.
     
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    In Response to Re: Ainge was right, when he preferred Rondo to Roy or Foye : Again not knocking Rondo.  I think Paul and Ray have plenty to do with it. Shot selection for one.  Paul does not force as many shots as he use to.  Ray is getting open looks.  This all comes from the TEAMWORK and sharing the shots.  I think Rondo helps KG, BB, Perk, and Shaq a lot more than he does Ray and Paul.  Most of Pauls shots do not come off of a Rondo pass, he creates more of his own, and we need that type of player.  Rays shots usually come from a feed by Rondo and occasionally PP, since he does'nt created a lot.  Rondo looks for Ray more than any player on the team and theres nothing wrong with that.  All in the framework of the team.  Add all this up and we have a well oiled machine in my book.
    Posted by OneOnOne


    What helps Paul is the pick and pops and the two or three or four back door layups that Rondo gets him a game. What also helps Paul is knowing he doesn't have to do it himself because Rondo is orchestrating a good offense. The Truth is trusting.  
     
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    In Response to Re: Ainge was right, when he preferred Rondo to Roy or Foye : What helps Paul is the pick and pops and the two or three or four back door layups that Rondo gets him a game. What also helps Paul is knowing he doesn't have to do it himself because Rondo is orchestrating a good offense. The Truth is trusting.  
    Posted by gtown07


    I wish your were right on the 2-3-4 backdoors.  We are getting them a little but not quite that many. 
     
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    One of the first things Doc said when he got here was that there was an easier way for Pierce to score and that he would eventually see the light.  Getting a facilitator like Rondo has made Pierce's life much easier.  This team moves the ball and gets good shots most of the time, and having a pass first PG is the reason why because guys know if they move without the ball and run up the floor they're gonna get easy baskets. 

    Put Rondo on any team and he's effective.  He can get guys the ball in position to score on the wing or in the post.  When they run, he finds the open guy 95% of the time. 

    If Rondo had Steve Nash's shooting ability he'd be unstoppable.  Teams can barely contain him and they don't have to respect his shot and they play him for the penetration.  If this guy could just get a respectable jump shot... 
     
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    Rame--I'm just trying to prove what Dudder said.
    If you put Rondo to a group of Hofers, there is no doubt Rondo becomes a premier PG.

    On the negative side, he said..if you put Rondo to a mediocare or below average
    group like the old:
    Jefferson - Ricky Davis -Ryan Gomes -Gerald Green -Wally Szczerbiak - Olowokandi -La Frentz - Orien Green- Perkins & Pierce.
    he will be exposed.
    (By the way, correct me if I'm wrong.. is this the group lost 16 in a row?)

    None of us will know if the statistics he is enjoying
     now can be copied with the old team.
    I do know, if you put Rose or C Paul with these team (the above), both will
      post a staggering (individual) statistics.
    Rondo is a complimentary type player.
    As I said, I like him in some way because basketball is a team concept game. I could careless of individual statistics ---say like Iverson - Carter  & many more me me me  type player.

    Rondo in my book is an awesome player but carry a clause or small print that I mentioned above. 
    The bottom line, I like him & what he gives to a premier team like the Celtics.
    I just don't know if he plays for Toronto or some mediocare team. None of us will know until the big 3 are gone.  
         
        

     
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    It used to be that re-doing that 06 draft would have been Roy, Aldridge, Rondo....Now there is no other player in that draft I would take over Rondo (  Roy will never be the player he once was and Aldridge will just be a good PF but not an all comer like Rondo could become)...DA did a splendid job then, I just wished that danny drafted Gay instead of trading that pick we had for Telfair.
     
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    Rame--I'm just trying to prove what Dudder said. If you put Rondo to a group of Hofers, there is no doubt Rondo becomes a premier PG. On the negative side, he said..if you put Rondo to a mediocare or below average group like the old: Jefferson - Ricky Davis -Ryan Gomes -Gerald Green -Wally Szczerbiak - Olowokandi -La Frentz - Orien Green- Perkins & Pierce. he will be exposed. (By the way, correct me if I'm wrong.. is this the group lost 16 in a row?) Posted by CHEisCHE



    Well put Chris Paul, Dwill, or Rose with that group and they lose too so what our point?  Why are earth would you want to prove something Dudder said?
     
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    In Response to Re: Ainge was right, when he preferred Rondo to Roy or Foye:
    In Response to Re: Ainge was right, when he preferred Rondo to Roy or Foye : Well put Chris Paul, Dwill, or Rose with that group and they lose too so what our point?  Why are earth would you want to prove something Dudder said?
    Posted by OneOnOne


    One..that's how you measure a good point guard.
    As I mentioned, put Paul-Rose to that group, they will put a staggering individual statistics,  Rondo will not (he can't shoot). Assist in a bad team does not mean anything....unless its a point.
    Then reverse it, put Rondo to a good team who understand team concept...he will shine.
     
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    Yeah, dumping Raef LaFrenz was huge. Why did Danny even accept LaFrenz from the Mavericks  when they knew he was going IR the first year ???

     Sure, we needed to dump #8 before we needed to give him an extension , but wasn't there any other player available in the entire NBA they could have traded Walker for ????? Why did Danny even want La Frenz ?   

    And what if Seastian Telfair turned out to be what Nate Robinson is now ?



     
     
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    I would love to see Rondo play with a team like the Raptors and their point say play with the talented Celtics.  Rondo is all pro agiainst most teams, but when Wade or Koby guards him and they play center field guarding everybody with their middle zone , the game is influenced in their favor.  True the Celtics have the talent to overcome this double team with rondo's man , but the other coaches love it, and they would be glad to see rondo shoot the ball late in the game (other than crip shots) OR rondo shooting foul shots late in the game, yes he might make them but the odds shift in their favor.  All said, Rondo with his quickness and speed when he uses it, plus his penetration and his great passing make for a unique player.  Other point guards have their negative points, the only thing that gets under my skin is the praise heaped on Rondo and never do they point out his negative effect on the team.  I was wrong about Nate, I thought he could quarterback this team, he can not, hurry back West, we need you on both units at times.
    Posted by maryngary

    Kobe is half a foot taller than Rondo. If he`s checking Rondo, the off guard is being guarded by Derek Fisher I`m fine with that.
    Rondo`s not the perfect player. Neither is anyone else.We all know his weaknesses.  Plenty of people on this site criticize Rondo incessantly.Why people heaping praise on him gets under your skin is a mystery to me. Maybe its just your problem. Just join in on one of Dudders  maraton Rondo bashfests if it makes you feel better.
     
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    In Response to Re: Ainge was right, when he preferred Rondo to Roy or Foye : One..that's how you measure a good point guard. As I mentioned, put Paul-Rose to that group, they will put a staggering individual statistics,  Rondo will not (he can't shoot). Assist in a bad team does not mean anything....unless its a point. Then reverse it, put Rondo to a good team who understand team concept...he will shine.
    Posted by CHEisCHE


    You are confusing individual stat with teamwork that wins games.  Nique Wilkins was a scoring machine, Karl Malone,  how much did they win?  Its call teamwork, not me-ball.
     
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    In Response to Re: Ainge was right, when he preferred Rondo to Roy or Foye:
    Rame--I'm just trying to prove what Dudder said. If you put Rondo to a group of Hofers, there is no doubt Rondo becomes a premier PG. On the negative side, he said..if you put Rondo to a mediocare or below average group like the old: Jefferson - Ricky Davis -Ryan Gomes -Gerald Green -Wally Szczerbiak - Olowokandi -La Frentz - Orien Green- Perkins & Pierce. he will be exposed. (By the way, correct me if I'm wrong.. is this the group lost 16 in a row?) None of us will know if the statistics he is enjoying  now can be copied with the old team. I do know, if you put Rose or C Paul with these team (the above), both will   post a staggering (individual) statistics. Rondo is a complimentary type player. As I said, I like him in some way because basketball is a team concept game. I could careless of individual statistics ---say like Iverson - Carter  & many more me me me  type player. Rondo in my book is an awesome player but carry a clause or small print that I mentioned above.  The bottom line, I like him & what he gives to a premier team like the Celtics. I just don't know if he plays for Toronto or some mediocare team. None of us will know until the big 3 are gone.             
    Posted by CHEisCHE

    Who cares what he`d do in Toronto. When you or dudder become GM, you can send him there. Maybe trade him for the immortal Calderon.
     
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    In Response to Re: Ainge was right, when he preferred Rondo to Roy or Foye : One..that's how you measure a good point guard. As I mentioned, put Paul-Rose to that group, they will put a staggering individual statistics,  Rondo will not (he can't shoot). Assist in a bad team does not mean anything....unless its a point. Then reverse it, put Rondo to a good team who understand team concept...he will shine.
    Posted by CHEisCHE


    Well he is shining, so what is your point?
     
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    In Response to Re: Ainge was right, when he preferred Rondo to Roy or Foye:
    In Response to Re: Ainge was right, when he preferred Rondo to Roy or Foye : One..that's how you measure a good point guard. As I mentioned, put Paul-Rose to that group, they will put a staggering individual statistics,  Rondo will not (he can't shoot). Assist in a bad team does not mean anything....unless its a point. Then reverse it, put Rondo to a good team who understand team concept...he will shine.
    Posted by CHEisCHE


    "Assist in a bad team does not mean anything....unless its a point."

    An assist is only credited when a player scores. Rondo can shoot he just tries to be a pass first player. Rondo will be the best player on most of the teams in the NBA and would shine on them also. You say we don't know? Well we know that he would shine based on current performance than you know he wouldn't "shine".

    Remember what the director of the predraft camp in Orlando said about Rondo. He said he was the best athlete and when the listener said "Oh, he was the best athlete this year" the director said no....he was the best athlete ever to be there. We are not just talking about any player. We are talking about a very special player.

     
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    "Ainge was right, when he preferred Rondo to Roy or Foye"

    I hate to toot my own horn (not really, lol), but so was I.  I wanted Rondo with the 7th pick.  Most didn't think I knew what I was talking about because Rondo couldn't shoot, but I watched this kid in Kentucky and knew he was special.  Danny has been watching him since his high school days.

     
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