Re: Anyone Else Notice How Peaceful and Civil the Board has Been The Last Couple Days?
posted at 8/16/2013 8:25 AM EDT
In response to Fields4's comment:
In response to RallyC's comment:
In response to Fields4's comment:
In response to BostonTrollSpanker's comment:
"But its totally UNNACCEPTABLE to attack, flame or bait the poster for expressing his/her opinion. Attack the opinon if you disgree. "
I agree with you to a very large extent.
But: there is a difference between expressing opinions and constantly pushing the same trollish propaganda.
For example, I have very strong opinions on the Perkins trade (still think it was a huge mistake). But: I have continued ot shift a bit on my position on that trade based on how things have played out since then. I still think Jeff Green is soft and no better than the fourth best player on a championship level team, but I'm open to be proven wrong. He showed some real flashes late in season and somewhat in the playoffs.
But when people on this forum take on rigid positions, such as "Rondo sucks," ignoring new information, continuing to cite old stories (kicked off Olympic team) and falsehoods (drove Ray Allen out of town), and do so again, and again, and again, and ignore any new information that could alter their opinions, then there is no longer a discussion happening with open minds. Then it's trollish propoganda.
Another example: "We need a big/we need a big/we need a big/we need a big" - even though the Heat have won multiple championships without a true center, and it doesn't look like the western conference will be dominated by a dominant center either. That's new information to consider and think through.
And once you are in here just with an axe to grind, again and again and again, then you are no longer sharing opinions but being a massive tool. And then you need to get called out.
I think it's reasonable to expect folks in this forum will keep an open mind to positive and negative information. Example I am less positive on Rondo than I was a year ago. I took in new information. I don't appreciate closed minds and it's not something I respect, nor will I let it go as "that's my opinion." No - have a more informed opinion. Be more open minded.
I am great with folks who disagree with me or anyone else here and enjoy the debates as long as it's a genuine effort to interact and learn and not a bunch of playground posturing.
BTS from way downtown... Bang!!!
First, Fields4, your brief post DEFINES BTS's term "playground posturing", yet you seem to applaud BTS's attempt at condemning such behavior. Quite telling, I'd say. As for the Rondo debate, BTS.....It is not only regularly reported, but we all observe RR's less than mature demeanor, inexcuseable on court actions, and disruptive behavior to team chemistry with our own eyes. Then, we watch SC and NBA TV and it validates our suspicions about the guys unpredictability. The assumption that Rondo detractors are "ignoring new information" is just so weak. Provide visible evidence and noone can ignore it, but provide "new information", i.e. unsubstantiated words of encouragement and positive speculation and it is deemed WISHFUL THINKING that simply contradicts a plethora of historical evidence saying otherwise about Rondo. Watch the tape, guys............in the meantime, I will be awaiting more "new information" that is supposed to make me and everyone else feel better about who Rondo might be when he returns from his injury and to a brand new team with a first year coach and young impressionable core players. No posturing, just facts. Lets just hope that the Boston Celtics can fabricate enough value in the enigma known as Rajon Rondo so that a trade will happen. If you disagree, then I hold no ill will towards you. You just don't see the obvious........yet.
Rally, i'm not debating with BTS, i'm expressing the agreement with his statements. You're nitpicking again.
And if the best way to help the C's is Rondo's trade then i'll be all for it. But i don't want the C's to trade him just for the sake of making a trade, i want quality players (picks) in return!
OK Fields, fair enough. BUT how do we determine what RR's true value is? Don't you see how we risk losing 100% of today's perceived value if he shows ANY ill effects upon return? His value before injury was pretty low already with a 20-23, 0-8 streak record at the time he tore the ACL. Shouldn't we consider that 75-cents on the $ a pretty good value based on recent performance and issues PLUS the injury? Stright business sense, right? I cant understand why so many here don't want to see the reality of this. Its like going to buy a car, it looks brand new but the CARFAX shows it was wrecked and in a flood but has since been fixed up to look new again and you say, "Well, i like it because it is a great car and looks fine. I'll pay your asking price." DAMN.