At last some good news. Come on Get it done guys.

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    At last some good news. Come on Get it done guys.

    Signs of progress in New York

    Commissioner David Stern said the talks had been "intense." He said it's "getting to be an important time."

    And he announced that next week's CBA talks would expand to include each side's full negotiating committee.

    Deputy commissioner Adam Silver chastised a reporter for suggesting there have been no new proposals lately.

    But the person who dropped the biggest hints that there is real movement in talks to salvage an NBA season from labor strife was union president Derek Fisher.

    The two sides have agreed not to characterize the talks to the media. And in the spirit of keeping that promise, Stern and Fisher peppered their talks with let's-not-get-carried-away language. Stern said, "I don't know if it's positive or negative," that the groups' meeting will expand next week. Similarly, Fisher said, "It doesn't imply that we're somehow on the verge," and added that, "We still haven't found that place where we can come out and say here's where we are, here's where progress is being made."

    But it's hard to talk for 15 unscripted minutes, as Fisher did, without dropping some hints as to what has happened behind closed doors.

    The most alarming of the hints came when Fisher explained expanding the meetings: "From our perspective, we want to make sure that our executive committee members who aren't in the room are able to really fully understand the deal, the deal points, all the information that's being thrown around the room, all the ideas that we're going back and forth with."

    A deal? Deal points? There are deal points?

    Fisher made no further references to "a deal," and surely he could have been using the word as a general term, to encapsulate "all the ideas" that have been bandied about.

    But if you're looking for optimistic lines, you'd find several more from Fisher:
    • "We haven't wasted our time."
    • "At some point, before you can try to make any attempt at large progress, you have to involve all the prospective members that are potentially going to make the decision. So we thought it was best to try and do it at this time."
    • "We're trying to put together a pretty large puzzle with a lot of pieces. Until we get the pieces to fit right, it's just not fair to try and put labels on things. It's just best to stay focused on how we're going to figure this out. We feel like that has worked well."
    • "We still have to make sure, at least from our perspective, that our group is aware before we can make any decisions. It's one thing to have a conference call as an executive committee. It's another thing for our guys to really see what has taken place over the last week or so."
    • "We actually are negotiating. To think about where we are from July 1 to now, in terms of just the process itself, what is being discussed, what type of deal it will end up being, we've put in a lot of time. We'll continue that process and see if we can get a fair deal done as soon as possible."

    It would be a mistake to draw a very strong conclusion from these tea leaves. But it also would seem to be a mistake for a sense of doom to dominate among NBA fans. Not with the union president saying things such as "deal points," "that has worked well," "what has taken place over the last week or so" and "attempt at large progress," and marveling about how different things are from when the lockout started.

    Not with the union president talking about making decisions, a step that would have to be preceded by an offer or proposal to decide on.

    Clearly, important things have happened.

    And then there's the case of the now-deleted tweet that union vice president Roger Mason Jr. might or might not have made Wednesday, saying it looks like there will be a season after all. (Mason says his phone was hacked.)

    Fisher was asked whether Mason made the comment with knowledge of the talks or not. Fisher's first answer was, "I'm not sure, to be honest."

    He then went on to explain that it was an "alleged tweet" and an investigation is under way into what exactly happened with Mason's phone Wednesday -- perhaps it was hacked. Fisher added that certainly now Mason has been fully informed about the state of talks.

    But you see how he answered that initially, saying, "I'm not sure"? From where Fisher is sitting, in other words, someone with real knowledge of the talks might tweet something like that. If the talks weren't going well, very well even, that'd be impossible.

    The sooner the better.
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    Re: At last some good news. Come on Get it done guys.

    Not sold yet - too many owners also own hockey teams, and want to cancel the whole season!!
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    Re: At last some good news. Come on Get it done guys.

    Hope they get something sorted out soon.
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    Re: At last some good news. Come on Get it done guys.

    From what I just read from ESPN, the lockout situation is not looking good. The owners are insisting on a hard cap. The players made an offer to the owners to take a pay cut. How much was not stated in the article I read. Right now I'm not happy with the owners. They're asking for too much of a change with a hard cap from the present system. Expect a delay in the start of the season. How long of a delay is a wait and see situation.
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    Re: At last some good news. Come on Get it done guys.

    The owners, right or wrong, will get everything they want this time.  The players basically LIED to them.  In the last deal, the players got 57% of the revenues, with the owners getting 43%.  The promise was, in the next CBA, it would be switched OR much closer to 50 - 50...........the players said no!
    Game over!
    Players will have to give much more to get the owners to move an inch!!
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    Re: At last some good news. Come on Get it done guys.

    I'm rooting against the season unless the hard cap prevents trades that still cause the team to exceed the cap

    the Lakers don't deserve to keep getting bailed out with a trade for Dwight Howard or any other young big man because they constantly mortgage their long-term outlook for 2-3 year guys like Pau Gasol (who fell off a cliff last season and at 31 years old doesn't seem likely to fully bounce back because 7-foot people over 30 years old don't have a great record of rejuvenating).  Live and die with the guy you drafted (Bynum)

    then again, I'm definitely more of a football fan.  Now that I have my Patriots back, I'm willing to root against a basketball season if it means the Lakers can't get Dwight Howard :-P