It isn't Docs fault the Celtics have five gaurds who are used to playing big minutes.  One of them is going to be unhappy.

Yeah Doc has no idea what he is doing. The guy has never won anything.

Karllost,

first - I am one of the most vocal critics of Terry.  If he can't hit a shot - he's a wase because he can't do anything else well.  He should be on the bench and I don't understand Doc playing him.  My only "guess" is that Barbosa shoots too much for Doc and he wants Barbosa to play within the offense.  I don't agree with that, but I'm guessing there has to be some logic.

However, in defense of Trollspanker's post:  Its not just that Doc happened to coach a team that won a championship.  Its that Doc was Coach of the year once, then won a championship, has taken teams to the Conference and NBA finals in the last 5 years, and has taken teams to higher performance levels than ALL of us thought (come on - who really thought the C's would get to one game of the NBA championship after the way they started last year?).  Even after the horrible start this year, the team has come around.  He got a lot of criticism when the played poorly.  Therefore he must get some credit when they finally start playing better.

No coach is above criticism.  But, we should also acknowledge that maybe he has some reason for playing Terry over Barbosa that we don't know about.  I don't like Doc's decision, but I don't think he's a bad coach just because I disagree with his decision.  I have never had the coaching success he has (and neither have you, Acie or others).

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It isn't Docs fault the Celtics have five gaurds who are used to playing big minutes.  One of them is going to be unhappy.

i find fault where doc has NOT defined a role for ANY of the lee, terry, barbosa.  terry has played SOO POORLY that barbosa deserves some minutes- especially when our offense goes stale.

but the issue is that barbosa has NO ROLE ON THIS TEAM.  just like darko.  let's face it, nobody outside of pierce, kg, rondo and maybe bradley know their role.  you are not going to overachieve with IDIOCY like that going on.  you are not going to even consistently underachieve well with it.  every crappy team has a 5 game win streak in a year. 

now we are back to normal- role players ALL SHOWED UP LIKE CRAP against the worse team in the league- our bench players should be "UP" enough to carryus to victory in a game like that against a complete basement dweller.  but they were nowhere to be found.   neither was rondo.

you don't get those results without HARD WORK at confusing people, conflating roles and constant blurrying up of what people think / feel they are supposed to do!

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In response to snakeoil123's comment:

It isn't Docs fault the Celtics have five gaurds who are used to playing big minutes.  One of them is going to be unhappy.

i find fault where doc has NOT defined a role for ANY of the lee, terry, barbosa.  terry has played SOO POORLY that barbosa deserves some minutes- especially when our offense goes stale.

but the issue is that barbosa has NO ROLE ON THIS TEAM.  just like darko.  let's face it, nobody outside of pierce, kg, rondo and maybe bradley know their role.  you are not going to overachieve with IDIOCY like that going on.  you are not going to even consistently underachieve well with it.  every crappy team has a 5 game win streak in a year. 

now we are back to normal- role players ALL SHOWED UP LIKE CRAP against the worse team in the league- our bench players should be "UP" enough to carryus to victory in a game like that against a complete basement dweller.  but they were nowhere to be found.   neither was rondo.

you don't get those results without HARD WORK at confusing people, conflating roles and constant blurrying up of what people think / feel they are supposed to do!

I agree with you there.  Barbosa should be getting minutes over Terry.  My point is that Ainge stocked the team with 2 guards that are used to getting minutes while leaving other positions weak.  As soon as Barbosa signed I assumed that he would be unhappy at some point.  The guy is too good to bea 5th option.

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In response to snakeoil123's comment:

It isn't Docs fault the Celtics have five gaurds who are used to playing big minutes.  One of them is going to be unhappy.

i find fault where doc has NOT defined a role for ANY of the lee, terry, barbosa.  terry has played SOO POORLY that barbosa deserves some minutes- especially when our offense goes stale.

but the issue is that barbosa has NO ROLE ON THIS TEAM.  just like darko.  let's face it, nobody outside of pierce, kg, rondo and maybe bradley know their role.  you are not going to overachieve with IDIOCY like that going on.  you are not going to even consistently underachieve well with it.  every crappy team has a 5 game win streak in a year. 

now we are back to normal- role players ALL SHOWED UP LIKE CRAP against the worse team in the league- our bench players should be "UP" enough to carryus to victory in a game like that against a complete basement dweller.  but they were nowhere to be found.   neither was rondo.

you don't get those results without HARD WORK at confusing people, conflating roles and constant blurrying up of what people think / feel they are supposed to do!

I agree with you there.  Barbosa should be getting minutes over Terry.  My point is that Ainge stocked the team with 2 guards that are used to getting minutes while leaving other positions weak.  As soon as Barbosa signed I assumed that he would be unhappy at some point.  The guy is too good to bea 5th option.

I think he would be happy if he was getting regular minutes.  Don't think it would have to be that many either.  I agree he should be getting some if not all of Terry's at this point.  Doc doesn't like to change rotations at all.  

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In response to snakeoil123's comment:

It isn't Docs fault the Celtics have five gaurds who are used to playing big minutes.  One of them is going to be unhappy.

i find fault where doc has NOT defined a role for ANY of the lee, terry, barbosa.  terry has played SOO POORLY that barbosa deserves some minutes- especially when our offense goes stale.

but the issue is that barbosa has NO ROLE ON THIS TEAM.  just like darko.  let's face it, nobody outside of pierce, kg, rondo and maybe bradley know their role.  you are not going to overachieve with IDIOCY like that going on.  you are not going to even consistently underachieve well with it.  every crappy team has a 5 game win streak in a year. 

now we are back to normal- role players ALL SHOWED UP LIKE CRAP against the worse team in the league- our bench players should be "UP" enough to carryus to victory in a game like that against a complete basement dweller.  but they were nowhere to be found.   neither was rondo.

you don't get those results without HARD WORK at confusing people, conflating roles and constant blurrying up of what people think / feel they are supposed to do!

I agree with you there.  Barbosa should be getting minutes over Terry.  My point is that Ainge stocked the team with 2 guards that are used to getting minutes while leaving other positions weak.  As soon as Barbosa signed I assumed that he would be unhappy at some point.  The guy is too good to bea 5th option.

I think he would be happy if he was getting regular minutes.  Don't think it would have to be that many either.  I agree he should be getting some if not all of Terry's at this point.  Doc doesn't like to change rotations at all.  

Barbosa is no slouch.  He is a former 6th man of the year and still has some good game.

It is too bad they can't find a taker for Terry because Rondo, Bradley, Lee and Barbosa is a sick rotation.

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In response to snakeoil123's comment:

It isn't Docs fault the Celtics have five gaurds who are used to playing big minutes.  One of them is going to be unhappy.

i find fault where doc has NOT defined a role for ANY of the lee, terry, barbosa.  terry has played SOO POORLY that barbosa deserves some minutes- especially when our offense goes stale.

but the issue is that barbosa has NO ROLE ON THIS TEAM.  just like darko.  let's face it, nobody outside of pierce, kg, rondo and maybe bradley know their role.  you are not going to overachieve with IDIOCY like that going on.  you are not going to even consistently underachieve well with it.  every crappy team has a 5 game win streak in a year. 

now we are back to normal- role players ALL SHOWED UP LIKE CRAP against the worse team in the league- our bench players should be "UP" enough to carryus to victory in a game like that against a complete basement dweller.  but they were nowhere to be found.   neither was rondo.

you don't get those results without HARD WORK at confusing people, conflating roles and constant blurrying up of what people think / feel they are supposed to do!

I agree with you there.  Barbosa should be getting minutes over Terry.  My point is that Ainge stocked the team with 2 guards that are used to getting minutes while leaving other positions weak.  As soon as Barbosa signed I assumed that he would be unhappy at some point.  The guy is too good to bea 5th option.

I think he would be happy if he was getting regular minutes.  Don't think it would have to be that many either.  I agree he should be getting some if not all of Terry's at this point.  Doc doesn't like to change rotations at all.  

Barbosa is no slouch.  He is a former 6th man of the year and still has some good game.

It is too bad they can't find a taker for Terry because Rondo, Bradley, Lee and Barbosa is a sick rotation.

Whats really bad is the guys we signed to contracts, Green, Terry, Bass, and maybe even Terry,  any or all of them would be hard to trade.  People keep saying we can trade Bass for a big man.  Who is going to take Bass for a big man that can play?

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It isn't Docs fault the Celtics have five gaurds who are used to playing big minutes.  One of them is going to be unhappy.

i find fault where doc has NOT defined a role for ANY of the lee, terry, barbosa.  terry has played SOO POORLY that barbosa deserves some minutes- especially when our offense goes stale.

but the issue is that barbosa has NO ROLE ON THIS TEAM.  just like darko.  let's face it, nobody outside of pierce, kg, rondo and maybe bradley know their role.  you are not going to overachieve with IDIOCY like that going on.  you are not going to even consistently underachieve well with it.  every crappy team has a 5 game win streak in a year. 

now we are back to normal- role players ALL SHOWED UP LIKE CRAP against the worse team in the league- our bench players should be "UP" enough to carryus to victory in a game like that against a complete basement dweller.  but they were nowhere to be found.   neither was rondo.

you don't get those results without HARD WORK at confusing people, conflating roles and constant blurrying up of what people think / feel they are supposed to do!

I agree with you there.  Barbosa should be getting minutes over Terry.  My point is that Ainge stocked the team with 2 guards that are used to getting minutes while leaving other positions weak.  As soon as Barbosa signed I assumed that he would be unhappy at some point.  The guy is too good to bea 5th option.

I think he would be happy if he was getting regular minutes.  Don't think it would have to be that many either.  I agree he should be getting some if not all of Terry's at this point.  Doc doesn't like to change rotations at all.  

Barbosa is no slouch.  He is a former 6th man of the year and still has some good game.

It is too bad they can't find a taker for Terry because Rondo, Bradley, Lee and Barbosa is a sick rotation.

Whats really bad is the guys we signed to contracts, Green, Terry, Bass, and maybe even Terry,  any or all of them would be hard to trade.  People keep saying we can trade Bass for a big man.  Who is going to take Bass for a big man that can play?

No one. The Celtics would have to throw in a pick or take back a bad contract.  Green could still come around, if he got big minutes he would be reasonably productive, but Bass and Terry are mistakes.  And no that doesn't mean that I care at all the Ray Allen left.

Karllost,

first - I am one of the most vocal critics of Terry.  If he can't hit a shot - he's a wase because he can't do anything else well.  He should be on the bench and I don't understand Doc playing him.  My only "guess" is that Barbosa shoots too much for Doc and he wants Barbosa to play within the offense.  I don't agree with that, but I'm guessing there has to be some logic.

However, in defense of Trollspanker's post:  Its not just that Doc happened to coach a team that won a championship.  Its that Doc was Coach of the year once, then won a championship, has taken teams to the Conference and NBA finals in the last 5 years, and has taken teams to higher performance levels than ALL of us thought (come on - who really thought the C's would get to one game of the NBA championship after the way they started last year?).  Even after the horrible start this year, the team has come around.  He got a lot of criticism when the played poorly.  Therefore he must get some credit when they finally start playing better.

No coach is above criticism.  But, we should also acknowledge that maybe he has some reason for playing Terry over Barbosa that we don't know about.  I don't like Doc's decision, but I don't think he's a bad coach just because I disagree with his decision.  I have never had the coaching success he has (and neither have you, Acie or others).

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Karllost,

first - I am one of the most vocal critics of Terry.  If he can't hit a shot - he's a wase because he can't do anything else well.  He should be on the bench and I don't understand Doc playing him.  My only "guess" is that Barbosa shoots too much for Doc and he wants Barbosa to play within the offense.  I don't agree with that, but I'm guessing there has to be some logic.

However, in defense of Trollspanker's post:  Its not just that Doc happened to coach a team that won a championship.  Its that Doc was Coach of the year once, then won a championship, has taken teams to the Conference and NBA finals in the last 5 years, and has taken teams to higher performance levels than ALL of us thought (come on - who really thought the C's would get to one game of the NBA championship after the way they started last year?).  Even after the horrible start this year, the team has come around.  He got a lot of criticism when the played poorly.  Therefore he must get some credit when they finally start playing better.

No coach is above criticism.  But, we should also acknowledge that maybe he has some reason for playing Terry over Barbosa that we don't know about.  I don't like Doc's decision, but I don't think he's a bad coach just because I disagree with his decision.  I have never had the coaching success he has (and neither have you, Acie or others).

Let me see if I can understand this.   You can have your perception of someone like Terry not being worth much but if others have a perception of Doc in the same light its wrong? Sounds kind of like it depend on who you like or don't like to me.