Big Al or Josh Smith?

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    Maybe but are you really going to send PP to Utah?

     
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    Get the trade exception first. THe only thing we think we know is that the Celtics have an S&T offer for Josh Smith. You're assuming it's coming from a trade exception with the Cavs when it could be PP going to Atlanta

    I'm glad you have all the answers...clown!

     
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    Re: Big Al or Josh Smith?

    In response to Fierce34's comment:

    I'd rather go for Big Al who can play PF or C.

    Josh Smith is nice to have if we didn't have Jeff Green and Sully.

    Big Al is also the better shooter from the perimeter.

     



    Big Al.  Great scorer, rebounder, good guy, weak defensively.  Josh Smith.  Good defender, rebounder, weak offensively, and a petulant jerk.  I'll go with Big Al.  i'd like to see offense for a change.  The Celtics haven't been a good offensive team since.....I don't know when....the 80's maybe?

     
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    BLB, if you'd been reading up on this situation and those of the Hawks, Cavs and other teams (intead of wondering which impossible player to amnesty or how to turn KG, Pierce and draft picks in the teens into Pekovic and Love) then maybe you would know this 99.99% is NOT going to be a sign and trade with Pierce to Utah or Atlanta.




    So what..you knew of a rule that I didn't know about it. You want a prize.

    Where did ANYONE report that the Cavs would give up the trade exception for PP? Where? Oh on this board. I haven't seen it. I've seen 2 #2s.

     
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    IF the cavs have offered us 2 2d rounders for PP, and IF we'd get a trade exception from such a deal that would allow us to sign jefferson or smith (or someone else), then what are we waiting for?

     
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    THE DUKE.....give me Big Al over J Smith....

     
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    IF the cavs have offered us 2 2d rounders for PP, and IF we'd get a trade exception from such a deal that would allow us to sign jefferson or smith (or someone else), than what are we waiting for?




    Don't pay attention to those talking about a trade exception...that's them making up stuff. The Cavs have offered 2 #2s...that's it.

    If they did offer what you wrote Ainge would've already done it. YOu can't listen to some clowns on this board.

     
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    IF the cavs have offered us 2 2d rounders for PP, and IF we'd get a trade exception from such a deal that would allow us to sign jefferson or smith (or someone else), than what are we waiting for?

     




    Don't pay attention to those talking about a trade exception...that's them making up stuff. The Cavs have offered 2 #2s...that's it.

     

    If they did offer what you wrote Ainge would've already done it. YOu can't listen to some clowns on this board.

      Hey, i like your fight back style. You know as much or more of whats going on as anyone on this board.


     
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    IF the cavs have offered us 2 2d rounders for PP, and IF we'd get a trade exception from such a deal that would allow us to sign jefferson or smith (or someone else), than what are we waiting for?

     




    Don't pay attention to those talking about a trade exception...that's them making up stuff. The Cavs have offered 2 #2s...that's it.

     

    If they did offer what you wrote Ainge would've already done it. YOu can't listen to some clowns on this board.

     



    So a move that financially has to wait until July 1st should 'already have been done' hahaha

     

    BLB, do you know the date that free agency starts? That the Cavs get cap space? That smith can legally be signed and traded.

    If Pierce were traded to the Cavs for two 2nd rd picks, the Cavs would pick players for us at those spots, and then the C's would have to wait until July to have the trade for the exception go through 



    You sure have figured out everything the Cavs want to do. It doesn't have to be the Cavs, it just has to be a team that has the cap room.

     
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    BLB, if you'd been reading up on this situation and those of the Hawks, Cavs and other teams (intead of wondering which impossible player to amnesty or how to turn KG, Pierce and draft picks in the teens into Pekovic and Love) then maybe you would know this 99.99% is NOT going to be a sign and trade with Pierce to Utah or Atlanta.

     




    So what..you knew of a rule that I didn't know about it. You want a prize.

     

    Where did ANYONE report that the Cavs would give up the trade exception for PP? Where? Oh on this board. I haven't seen it. I've seen 2 #2s.

     



    Jeez dude, just quit already.

     

    If the Celtics trade Pierce simply for draft picks, two 2nd rounders or future picks, WHATEVER... and he is sent for just those picks to a team with the cap space to absorb his 15.3m salary (like the Cavs can) then THE RULES OF THE GAME state that the Celtics AUTOMATICALLY receive a trade exception for the amount of their traded players salary (in this case 15.3 million).



    Yeah I understand but it doesn't have to be the CAVS!! Don't you think Ainge would've jumped on this already?

     
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    i'd rather keep PP for his final season than sign either Big Al or Smith. C's need to ensure they are a lottery team and gamble on a good draft class in 2014.

     
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    Ummmmm

    A. Ainge currently wants more than the two 2nd round picks for Pierce

    B. Any signing of Smith or trade of PP for a trade exception has to wait until AFTER July 1st, so any mention of Smith's name by Ainge before free agency starts is considered TAMPERING

    C. Even if the Cavs upped there offer to pick 19 (which we should jump on) any trade for 2013 picks would be 'rumored' that the Cavs would be picking them for Boston, but couldn't be fact until after the draft picks and Pierce can actually legally be traded for each other in July

    IMO:

    I only want the Celtics to deal PP if they are blowing up the team.  PP for the 1st rounder, trade exception/expiring contract, KG for picks, trade exception/expiring contract and then go DRose-style and keep Rondo out most of 2013-2014.  That team would be REALLY bad and likely only win 15-25 games and then will have a shot at a top pick in a (likely) loaded draft.


    I would NOT want the Celtics to blow their cap space on a max contract for Josh Smith.  I would much rather that they keep PP and KG for one more year and see who is available in the summer of 2014 with a boatload of cap space (or a year of rebuilding).

     

     
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    The Celtics, Minesota, and now Utah have passed on Big Al.  Someone is going to overpay him once D Howard and Pekovic get signed. 

    I like Big Al and Josh Smith, but not for a max contract.  If the money is fair.  Fine.  I'd rather wait 1 or 2 more seasons to give a max contract to the right franchise player. 

     
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    I prefer Josh Smith. He is a superior athlete which is essential in today's NBA. The days of plodding back to the basket centers is over. Garnett who is a classic 4 is now a 5. Smith is a modern day power forward that can defend the 3 or 4. Smith averages 18PPG, 8.5RPG along with 2SPG and almost 2BPG. He contributes in every category and its not like hes hurting for offensive production.

    Thats not even mentioning the fact that he wants to be here!

    I know Al has ties because he was drafted here, but Smith would be the first big free agent in a long time (or ever) who willingly chose to come to Boston.

    1) Rondo/Bradley/Green/Smith/Garnett is an elite defensive team and extremely athletic.

    2) Rondo/Bradley/Green/Garnett/Jefferson is not as good defensively and not as athletic.

    The fast break points from option 1s aggressive defense and fast breaking will make up for Jefferson's ability to score in the half court set - I promise you that!

     
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    That being said...I'm not sure if I prefer this option to the tanking option. Potentially tanking (I don't know if we would be bad enough/lucky enough) could net us a stud young player (Parker, Wiggins, Smart etc) or we might end up with the backend of the lottery pick and be relegated to obscurity for the next 5-10 years.

    Signing Smith keeps the Celtics relevant and competitive (which I'm sure Wyc prefers), but ties up money in a team who might max out at a 3-5 seed for the prime years of Rondo and Smith.

    The other downside is that investing in Smith effectively removes us from the bidding on upcoming players in free agency like Kevin Love, Greg Monroe, Demarcus Cousins etc. But do we have a chance at landing them in FA anyways? Smith WANTS to be here.

    All in all - I think signing Smith is the way to go if Garnett agrees to stay and play out his contract (assuming Pierce is gone to make way for Smith). I'd have to imagine Garnett isn't crazy about playing without Doc and Pierce, but if he will stay and lead the team - I'd commit to Smith.

     
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    In response to Archer1's comment:

    That being said...I'm not sure if I prefer this option to the tanking option. Potentially tanking (I don't know if we would be bad enough/lucky enough) could net us a stud young player (Parker, Wiggins, Smart etc) or we might end up with the backend of the lottery pick and be relegated to obscurity for the next 5-10 years.

    Signing Smith keeps the Celtics relevant and competitive (which I'm sure Wyc prefers), but ties up money in a team who might max out at a 3-5 seed for the prime years of Rondo and Smith.

    The other downside is that investing in Smith effectively removes us from the bidding on upcoming players in free agency like Kevin Love, Greg Monroe, Demarcus Cousins etc. But do we have a chance at landing them in FA anyways? Smith WANTS to be here.

    All in all - I think signing Smith is the way to go if Garnett agrees to stay and play out his contract (assuming Pierce is gone to make way for Smith). I'd have to imagine Garnett isn't crazy about playing without Doc and Pierce, but if he will stay and lead the team - I'd commit to Smith.



    I agree. I would much prefer tanking then getting either Jefferson or Smith. This team is not going anywhere next year. Keep as much finanical flexibility as possible, get some good draft picks and sign some good players down the road.

     
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    Re: Big Al or Josh Smith?

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    We can check who the free-agents of 2014 and 2015 are. So cap flexibility only becomes an issue in 2016, when th likes of Durant, Lebron, Love, Hibbert, Deron Williams, and others become free-agents.

    By 2016, the Celts only guaranteed contract on the Celtics roster is Courtney Lee's 5.68m.

    Getting Big Al or Josh Smith this offseason won't hurt the Celts' cap flexibility in 2016.



    I know this.  I just don't like this team anymore. I like them fine as indivudals, but I didn't like the team last year and I like it even less this year.  Rondo, KG, Green, Lee, Terry, Bass they can all go as far as I am concerned. Not one of them will make a real difference next year.

     

     
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    Re: Big Al or Josh Smith?

    i wouldnt mind Big Al actually,,, it would be a more traditional/slower team but he sure can play.

     
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