Blockbuster Deadline Trade- Celtics and Pistons

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    Blockbuster Deadline Trade- Celtics and Pistons

    Forget tanking.  Forget the draft, forget free agency.  Revisit the past summer's trade talk with Detroit.

    TRADE Rondo + Player and/or 1st Rd Pick FOR Monroe + Jennings.

    You know Dumars still wants Rondo.  However, in light of how well Monroe is playing while starting together with Drummond and Smith, he may become reluctant to swap him.

    Dangle a 2014 1st Rd pick in his face?  Anything's possible.

     
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    No thanks!!

     

    Jennings SUCKS. He has the opposite problem of Jeff Green. Can you imagine, Tommy yelling BE MORE AGGRESSIVE (towards Green) and then Jennings chucks a 3 ... NOT YOU BRANDON!

     

    Monroe is a RFA in a free agency with few big men and lots of teams with cap space

    Monroe has also been featured in pieces by Grantland highlighting his disturbing inefficiency in the paint.

     

    If you really think Monroe & Jennings is worth Rondo + a 2014 pick ... 

     
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    No thanks!!

     

    Jennings SUCKS. He has the opposite problem of Jeff Green. Can you imagine, Tommy yelling BE MORE AGGRESSIVE (towards Green) and then Jennings chucks a 3 ... NOT YOU BRANDON!

     

    Monroe is a RFA in a free agency with few big men and lots of teams with cap space

    Monroe has also been featured in pieces by Grantland highlighting his disturbing inefficiency in the paint.

     

    If you really think Monroe & Jennings is worth Rondo + a 2014 pick ... 

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    Ah yeah I really think that.  Jennings doesn't suck.  Monroe's status doesn't prevent him from being traded. 

     
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    Big Greg Monroe fan, so any move that involves getting him automatically gets my attention. Watched a lot of him while he was at Georgetown and I love his skill set (he really can do a lot of things extremely well). I'd rather not obtain Jennings, but I could see why you'd have to unload him if you're the Pistons. Maybe find a 3rd party that would like a volume shooter like Jennings and take on some salary to make this work.

     
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    I don't understand why you guys don't like Jennings?  I've always thought he was underrated.  In Milwaukee he was paired with an identical player (M. Ellis) and at times it seemed like they were competing against each other.  As this season progresses, I think Jennings stock will rise playing in a more traditional backcourt. 

     

    And pair him with a defensive specialist like Bradley..a not too shabby back court. 

     
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    I don't understand why you guys don't like Jennings?  I've always thought he was underrated.  In Milwaukee he was paired with an identical player (M. Ellis) and at times it seemed like they were competing against each other.  As this season progresses, I think Jennings stock will rise playing in a more traditional backcourt. 

     

    And pair him with a defensive specialist like Bradley..a not too shabby back court. 

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    Because he is a volume shooter. He is incredibly talented and can really light up a scoreboard when he's on, don't get me wrong. But you don't build teams around volume shooters i.e. Knicks. When shooting is your biggest asset and you aren't ELITE at it then you have a problem. Steph Curry is an example of a highly efficient volume shooter - it's what you'd want Jennings to turn into. You can build around Curry being the focus of your offense because he's so lethal, whereas Jennings shooting can be a liability. He can't be the focal point of an offfense. Monta Ellis is the same way. I'm curious to see how Monta plays out with the Mavs because he's not the first option (much similar to your point about Jennings playing in a more "conventional" system - and your point is extremely valid). But then if he were to go to Boston, he'd be the primary focal point of an offense and we've seen how that's played out.

     
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    Getting legit Defensive Big like Monroe who also has a solid offensive game would be a great haul. My scenario however would include Bass, Villanuava to equal out the salary excange but more importantly include Kentavious Caldwell-Pope.  KCP is a great Athlete with + size at the SG position and actually can shoot a 3pt shot and not look like a Rec League player (I'm looking at you Avery). Great upside, would spread the floor, and DET already has too many Guards which is preventing him from getting minutes.  If that means we need to throw in another guy and/or a pick for 2015 I'm ALL in (Possibly would Consider a late 1st round pick in 2014). I know Rondo-Bass for Monroe - Vill- and KCP works salerywise so... You never know.  Everything depends on how DET progresses and how Smith, Andre, and Monroe work together, it seems very clogged down low and Bass could be an asset for them and is definatly an improvment vs Vill.  

    OAKHILL REUNION! 

     

     
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    We will need to trade Rondo to land a quality big man.  But keep in mind that Rondo isn't going anywhere without dragging along one or more of our bad contracts.  

    I too like Monroe.  He would be great as our foundation at Center.

    but I agree with others that Jennings is not the guy we want at the Point.  He does not fit Brad's system for starters.

    This is going to be a multi-player trade that might require a 3rd team to take Jennings.

    I really smell a blockbuster trade in December.  

     

     
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    Jennings is only 24.  If you're comparing against Curry's record setting shooting stats from last season, then ok, I guess he's not an elite PG.  But he's right up there now and he's only getting better.  I like Rondo, but without a hall of fame supporting cast to pass it to, his stats are obviously going to decrease.  Plus, I'd rather watch Jennings jack up a 3 then watch Rondo brick a wide-open jumpshot.

    You guys keep criticizing Bradley while he continues to play out of position.  If anyone on the roster is 'elite'?  Bradley's an elite defender when he's playing shooting guard.  Can you imagine how horrible Rondo would look if he was forced to play out of position?

     

     

     
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    Difference between Jennings and Rondo is (IMO) Rondo can make everyone else around him better with his court vision and understanding of the game. I don't think Jennings can do that. I would rather have Rondo, obviously. If you're worried about a PG then get Grevis Vasquez (I'd rather have him over Jennings). Plain and simple, I dont like volume shooters because at the end of the game you're banking on Jennings getting hot. Like Carmelo against the Celtics last year amidst the 20-point almost comeback. Nobody wanted to touch the ball except him and it almost cost the Knicks because Melo wasn't in rhythm. Damian Lillard is another volume shooting PG that can actually be efficient at it (43% FG, 39% 3PT). I'm not sure if Jennings is even in my top-10 PG's. Someone will want Jennings. He's a proven player. But not a team that's trying to rebuild around smart moves.

     
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    Milwaukee has kept Sanders on ice and he's starting to complain ...

     

    http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2013/11/03/sanders-frustrated-by-short-minutes/

     

    “I feel like I’m capable of being in the game at the end and helping my team win, coming up with blocks and rebounds,” Sanders told NBA.com before exiting the locker room swiftly. “I haven’t been able to get my rhythm out there. I understand foul trouble situations, but tonight I wasn’t in foul trouble.

    “Last year I finished so many games. I feel like that’s when I lock in the most. But I haven’t been able to get in the game to finish. That carries over to the next game. When you sit the last three quarters of each game, I can’t have no carryover. And it’s hard for me. I’m still a young player. It’s only my eighth year playing basketball.”

    Sanders, 24, has played only 15 of his 52 minutes so far in the second half. He logged 3:12 at New York Wednesday, 5:34 at Boston Friday and 6:18 against the Raptors after the break. But then, the Bucks outscored the Knicks 52-34 after halftime and the Celtics 58-35. They had a 39-34 edge on the Raptors through 18 minutes of the second half Saturday before slipping back to lose the game by seven (and the half, 46-44).

    Drew’s lineup in the fourth quarter Saturday primarly was O.J. Mayo and rookie point Nate Wolters in the backcourt, Khris Middleton, John Henson and 18-year-old project Giannis Antetokounmpo up front. That group, over the first 6:07 of the quarter, erased Toronto’s 12-point lead, getting the Bucks even at 85-85.

    Drew subbed in Caron Butler for Middleton, who had missed a pair of free throws and a couple layups, over the final 3:04. Milwaukee got no closer than three.

    “Throughout the game,” Drew said, “I just didn’t feel like we put a burst together, where we were really moving and flying around. So I elected to go smaller in the fourth quarter, move Khris to the four and Giannis to the three, and it got us going. At that point, I was really going to ride that group.”

    Said Sanders: “That makes sense. But it’s not that group – Caron goes in. It’s about trust. Who you trust down the stretch, that’s who you’re going to play.”

    If this is a trust issue, it may well be a temporary, evolving one. Drew has on his hands a roster that’s not just new to him but new to each other. He’s searching for combinations, with even his starting lineup fluid for now. His top two point-guard options – Brandon Knight (right hamstring strain) and Luke Ridnour (back spasms) – have been out, which messes with everyone’s rhythm.

    Also, Drew has Zaza Pachulia as an option at center, a familiar face from the coach’s three seasons in Atlanta. Pachulia has averaged 13.0 points, 7.7 rebounds and 26.0 minutes – though it’s a small sample size and the burly veteran didn’t play in the fourth quarter Saturday, either.

    Drew suggested some of Sanders’ struggle on offense and frustration overall stems from adjusting to his third coach (after Scott Skiles and interim Jim Boylan) in 10 months. “It’s him still trying to learn this system and trying to learn his teammates,” Drew said. “He had some point-blank shots right around the basket – he just couldn’t get ‘em to drop.

     

    Sound familiar?

    Maybe since the new coach has history with Zaza he thinks Sanders is expendable or they, like us, are going through the same coaching/player issues as well. But it sounds like their coach has a legitimate option for sitting Sanders or is he doing some stealthy tanking as well?

     

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    Swell.  Not sure how this relates to this thread, unless you're a bucks fan craving Larry Sanders updates?  But I will say this, best Tommy quote so far this season:  "Who me?  I drive tanks!" 

    Tommy's best Zaza impersonation.

     
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    Milwaukee has kept Sanders on ice and he's starting to complain ...

     

    http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2013/11/03/sanders-frustrated-by-short-minutes/

     

    “I feel like I’m capable of being in the game at the end and helping my team win, coming up with blocks and rebounds,” Sanders told NBA.com before exiting the locker room swiftly. “I haven’t been able to get my rhythm out there. I understand foul trouble situations, but tonight I wasn’t in foul trouble.

    “Last year I finished so many games. I feel like that’s when I lock in the most. But I haven’t been able to get in the game to finish. That carries over to the next game. When you sit the last three quarters of each game, I can’t have no carryover. And it’s hard for me. I’m still a young player. It’s only my eighth year playing basketball.”

    Sanders, 24, has played only 15 of his 52 minutes so far in the second half. He logged 3:12 at New York Wednesday, 5:34 at Boston Friday and 6:18 against the Raptors after the break. But then, the Bucks outscored the Knicks 52-34 after halftime and the Celtics 58-35. They had a 39-34 edge on the Raptors through 18 minutes of the second half Saturday before slipping back to lose the game by seven (and the half, 46-44).

    Drew’s lineup in the fourth quarter Saturday primarly was O.J. Mayo and rookie point Nate Wolters in the backcourt, Khris Middleton, John Henson and 18-year-old project Giannis Antetokounmpo up front. That group, over the first 6:07 of the quarter, erased Toronto’s 12-point lead, getting the Bucks even at 85-85.

    Drew subbed in Caron Butler for Middleton, who had missed a pair of free throws and a couple layups, over the final 3:04. Milwaukee got no closer than three.

    “Throughout the game,” Drew said, “I just didn’t feel like we put a burst together, where we were really moving and flying around. So I elected to go smaller in the fourth quarter, move Khris to the four and Giannis to the three, and it got us going. At that point, I was really going to ride that group.”

    Said Sanders: “That makes sense. But it’s not that group – Caron goes in. It’s about trust. Who you trust down the stretch, that’s who you’re going to play.”

    If this is a trust issue, it may well be a temporary, evolving one. Drew has on his hands a roster that’s not just new to him but new to each other. He’s searching for combinations, with even his starting lineup fluid for now. His top two point-guard options – Brandon Knight (right hamstring strain) and Luke Ridnour (back spasms) – have been out, which messes with everyone’s rhythm.

    Also, Drew has Zaza Pachulia as an option at center, a familiar face from the coach’s three seasons in Atlanta. Pachulia has averaged 13.0 points, 7.7 rebounds and 26.0 minutes – though it’s a small sample size and the burly veteran didn’t play in the fourth quarter Saturday, either.

    Drew suggested some of Sanders’ struggle on offense and frustration overall stems from adjusting to his third coach (after Scott Skiles and interim Jim Boylan) in 10 months. “It’s him still trying to learn this system and trying to learn his teammates,” Drew said. “He had some point-blank shots right around the basket – he just couldn’t get ‘em to drop.

     

    Sound familiar?

    Maybe since the new coach has history with Zaza he thinks Sanders is expendable or they, like us, are going through the same coaching/player issues as well. But it sounds like their coach has a legitimate option for sitting Sanders or is he doing some stealthy tanking as well?

     

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    Swell.  Not sure how this relates to this thread, unless you're a bucks fan craving Larry Sanders updates?  But I will say this, best Tommy quote so far this season:  "Who me?  I drive tanks!" 

    Tommy's best Zaza impersonation.

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    If your inferring that going after LARRY SANDERS! Over Monroe would be your suggestion I would say thats a push.  I mean other than Hibbert, LARRY SANDERS! And Monroe are my other 2 favorite bigs in the league.  It's clearly documented by Kirk Goldberry and the Grantland crew LARRY SANDERS! Is one of if not the best rim protectors in the NBA. So yeah I would be a fan of him on the Celtics.  Monroe is also a great Defesive guy and more polished offensivly and possibly makes  more sense just because of the Smith-Rondo thing, but either guy is an awesome 5 to build around.  

     
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    I'll pass on Jennings........since he doesn't pass anyway!

     

     
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    I'll pass on Jennings........since he doesn't pass anyway!

     

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    Totally agree.

    Just look at Jennings stats, for his career his AVEREAGED between 14.7 shots per game with an efficiency between .344% to a high of .418%.  More alarming, he has averaged 5.9 and 5.8 3pt attempts in the last 2 years while shooting .332% and .375% respectively.  Those are horrendous numbers and show he shoots way too much with little result.  Then compounding that as a PG he hasn’t shown to be able create by averaging 5APG.  Comparing those numbers to Rondo who is known as not a good offensive player yet statistically he can score at a .481% clip, only he has 9.5 shots per game.

     

    At any position it’s never a good strategy to build around low efficiency players (See: Rudy Gay, Melo, Jennings, JR etc…)

     
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    I'll pass on Jennings........since he doesn't pass anyway!

     

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    Boom. Roasted. +1. We're done here.

     
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    Greg Monroe and Brandon Jennings will NOT bring us closer to Banner 18.

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    Yeah Jennings is a waste, but Monroe is easily a Big worth Building around. 

     
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    http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/77702/shooting-blanks-the-players-with-the-worst-shotscore

     

    Read that anyone who is high on Monroe

     

    "Speaking of troubles near the basket, the Pistons' Greg Monroe presents another interesting example. Monroe was by far the NBA’s most active shooter near the basket last year. That’s good, except that he struggled to convert his shots down there. He has never met a close-range shot he doesn’t like. This is compounded by his immature midrange game. Although Monroe’s interior numbers weren’t terrible, his slightly below-average production combined with his extreme volume resulted in him arriving at the bottom of the ShotScore list."

     
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    http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/77702/shooting-blanks-the-players-with-the-worst-shotscore

     

    Read that anyone who is high on Monroe

     

    "Speaking of troubles near the basket, the Pistons' Greg Monroe presents another interesting example. Monroe was by far the NBA’s most active shooter near the basket last year. That’s good, except that he struggled to convert his shots down there. He has never met a close-range shot he doesn’t like. This is compounded by his immature midrange game. Although Monroe’s interior numbers weren’t terrible, his slightly below-average production combined with his extreme volume resulted in him arriving at the bottom of the ShotScore list."

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    Thanks Rondo.  Exactly why now's the time to buy low.

     
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    http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/77702/shooting-blanks-the-players-with-the-worst-shotscore

     

    Read that anyone who is high on Monroe

     

    "Speaking of troubles near the basket, the Pistons' Greg Monroe presents another interesting example. Monroe was by far the NBA’s most active shooter near the basket last year. That’s good, except that he struggled to convert his shots down there. He has never met a close-range shot he doesn’t like. This is compounded by his immature midrange game. Although Monroe’s interior numbers weren’t terrible, his slightly below-average production combined with his extreme volume resulted in him arriving at the bottom of the ShotScore list."

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    Touché,  I do love me some Kirk knowledge.  Still I would say he's worth it from a defensive perspective.  But yeah, maybe it would be better going after someone like LARRY SANDERS!

    These bigs is better than our bigs tho.  Maybe not worth Rondo However.

     
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    In response to R9R's comment:
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    http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/77702/shooting-blanks-the-players-with-the-worst-shotscore

     

    Read that anyone who is high on Monroe

     

    "Speaking of troubles near the basket, the Pistons' Greg Monroe presents another interesting example. Monroe was by far the NBA’s most active shooter near the basket last year. That’s good, except that he struggled to convert his shots down there. He has never met a close-range shot he doesn’t like. This is compounded by his immature midrange game. Although Monroe’s interior numbers weren’t terrible, his slightly below-average production combined with his extreme volume resulted in him arriving at the bottom of the ShotScore list."

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    Touché,  I do love me some Kirk knowledge.  Still I would say he's worth it from a defensive perspective.  But yeah, maybe it would be better going after someone like LARRY SANDERS!

    These bigs is better than our bigs tho.  Maybe not worth Rondo However.

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    You do realize that, when Rondo comes back, teams are actually going to guard him.  And once his offense get's exposed, his value will be about as high as Tebow's.

     
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    http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/77702/shooting-blanks-the-players-with-the-worst-shotscore

     

    Read that anyone who is high on Monroe

     

    "Speaking of troubles near the basket, the Pistons' Greg Monroe presents another interesting example. Monroe was by far the NBA’s most active shooter near the basket last year. That’s good, except that he struggled to convert his shots down there. He has never met a close-range shot he doesn’t like. This is compounded by his immature midrange game. Although Monroe’s interior numbers weren’t terrible, his slightly below-average production combined with his extreme volume resulted in him arriving at the bottom of the ShotScore list."

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    Thanks Rondo.  Exactly why now's the time to buy low.

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    You do have a point there.

    Except for the fact there is a huge market for starting big men right now and not very many entering free agency this year. 

     

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