BRON:"PIERCE,GARNETT owe RAY an apology!" anyone else AGREES?

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    Re: BRON:

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    Ray left over among other things his poor relationship with Rondo and his role coming off the bench.

    The circumstances of the feud with Ray/Rondo and its  reverberations set off a cascading chain of events that, while they were long overdue, were totally troubling.

    RA... then Doc... then KG and CPP.

    Now we have only Rondo and his presence represents a last bit of unfinished business that stands in the way of a truely fresh start for the franchise with BSteve providing adult leadership, something doc failed to provide.

    Pud



    And his poor relationshp with Pierce and Garnett. In the end Doc couldn't get either guy to recruit Ray. Seems Ray was the problem not Rondo. 

     
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    Re: BRON:

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    Ray leaving turned out to be the straw that broke the camels back.  The team became pretty crappy and lost in the first round without Ray.

    Furthermore, Ray, being a constant professional, left when he became a free agent, which was his right.   Ray didn't whine and complain like Doc did, and somewhat Pierce and KG did too.  Lol.  If anyone deserves to be booed, it's these guys, especially Doc. 

    Lebron is right: they are a bunch of hypocrites.




    they wouldn't have been any better last year with Ray Allen.

    I almost feel stupid typing that because it is so obvious.

      Almost?


     
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    Re: BRON:

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    Ray left over among other things his poor relationship with Rondo and his role coming off the bench.

    The circumstances of the feud with Ray/Rondo and its  reverberations set off a cascading chain of events that, while they were long overdue, were totally troubling.

    RA... then Doc... then KG and CPP.

    Now we have only Rondo and his presence represents a last bit of unfinished business that stands in the way of a truely fresh start for the franchise with BSteve providing adult leadership, something doc failed to provide.

    Pud



    And his poor relationshp with Pierce and Garnett. In the end Doc couldn't get either guy to recruit Ray. Seems Ray was the problem not Rondo. 

    Indeed Ray was the problem.... And Ray found the solution. Leaving a total mess behind!

    He won a 2nd ring coming off the Heat bench... while Rondo is left holding his johnson all by his lonesome,  pondering a very uncertain future.

    Pud 

     
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    Re: BRON:

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    Mr. I'm taking my talents to south beach needs to stop talking. He's the biggest hypocrit walking the planet. Please Lebron.


    How is Lebron a hypocrite?  He didn't critizice players for leaving, he is criticizing players that criticize other players for leaving, and then, leaving themselves. 

     
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    Re: BRON:

    Bronie is still upset cause Boston forced him to leave Cleveland in order to beat them.

     
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    Totally differenent situation, dumb-ron. Ray chose to leave as a free agent for less money and join our biggest rival. PP and kg were traded by the celtics, not their choice. HUGE DIFFERENCE

    Stick to basketball dumbron.




    in fairness to ray- his playing with rondo was awful for his longevity and minute to minute existence.  the more rondo pounded the ball into the floor while standing still up top waving ray around quadruple curlback sextuplet picks- i mean the more rondo shirked running the ball it became awful for ray.

    NON KUDOS to supposed team leaders KG and Paul for not snapping rondo out of that dysfunctional malaise.  if i was ray i would have left too.  and gone anywhere i wanted.

     
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    Re: BRON:

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    And his poor relationshp with Pierce and Garnett. In the end Doc couldn't get either guy to recruit Ray. Seems Ray was the problem not Rondo. 



    a whoo a what??  ray was the problem?  are you kidding me?  ray having the treads run off his sneaks was the problem because rondo the 58% free throw shooting wiz kid from hell did not want to dirty his hands drawing any fouls or running the ball (and risking drawing foul shots). 


    ray ran way too much in the half court set compensating for rondo.  IF there was a "problem" it was that KG and PP could not snap rondo out of it.  maybe they tried, maybe they didn't.  that story has not been told

     
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    Re: BRON:

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    And his poor relationshp with Pierce and Garnett. In the end Doc couldn't get either guy to recruit Ray. Seems Ray was the problem not Rondo. 



    a whoo a what??  ray was the problem?  are you kidding me?  ray having the treads run off his sneaks was the problem because rondo the 58% free throw shooting wiz kid from hell did not want to dirty his hands drawing any fouls or running the ball (and risking drawing foul shots). 


    ray ran way too much in the half court set compensating for rondo.  IF there was a "problem" it was that KG and PP could not snap rondo out of it.  maybe they tried, maybe they didn't.  that story has not been told



    YOu are spot on, Acie!

     

     
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    a whoo a what??  ray was the problem?  are you kidding me?  ray having the treads run off his sneaks was the problem because rondo the 58% free throw shooting wiz kid from hell did not want to dirty his hands drawing any fouls or running the ball (and risking drawing foul shots). 


    ray ran way too much in the half court set compensating for rondo.  IF there was a "problem" it was that KG and PP could not snap rondo out of it.  maybe they tried, maybe they didn't.  that story has not been told



    In a dysfunctional family, the one wanting out is usually labeled as a "problem."

    So far, both RA and BBD have been labeled as  a "problem" and both left under duress.

    Once a "problem" leaves, things typically continue to fester as new scapegoats are groomed.

    The real problem  is dysfunctional management (incl doc and DA) that encourages and tolerates scapegoating/favoritism/double standards to begin with.

    Pud

     
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    In a dysfunctional family, the one wanting out is usually labeled as a "problem."

    So far, both RA and BBD have been labeled as  a "problem" and both left under duress.

    Once a "problem" leaves, things typically continue to fester as new scapegoats are groomed.

    The real problem  is dysfunctional management (incl doc and DA) that encourages and tolerates scapegoating/favoritism/double standards to begin with.

    Pud



    yes, you are exactly right- the root cause of issues with chemistry / flow was always rondo.  now the same people who LOVED that brandon bass kid and thought he was the bee's knees hate him.  it's a shame.  no discernment.  bass was inherently limited from the get go- even more than davis was- but still a good role player, until doc told him not to post up any longer- an ill advised confidence shattering maneuver.


    for what it's worth, i was shocked that doc was allowed, over a period lasting two years plus, to conduct his emotional assassin routine on davis- we still don't have someone who hustles like he did and makes our defense over-achieve with help D extraordinaire.  the kid has limitations and issues but is still getting better. 


    ray was well worth keeping but we had over-used him by 2011 to the tune of almost one whole extra season's worth of minutes!!!  he needed to be around 28 mins per game to last and be effective and NOT have those long playoff spells of ineffectiveness that he had for us EVERY YEAR he ran so many extra cut backs, curls all to get increasingly contested outside shots in the rondo standstill system.

     

    ray for his part appeared reluctant to go to the bench, something that one of the big 3 should have done starting in 2010 to keep things fresh for us- again, no leadership to make that happen, just try to slam bam it as a result of injury.  having not lived through the dysfunction of rondo's increasingly slow-down game style that was rubber stamp approved by doc and danny, i can't say that ray wasn't right in feeling frustration re: bench unit.  he should have been able to overcome feelings that he was better than all that. 

     

    hopefully all this crap is over now and we start anew with new young head coach, and hopefully rondo runs himself out of town on an excellent trade deal for us.

     
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    Re: BRON:

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    Bronie is still upset cause Boston forced him to leave Cleveland in order to beat them.



    if only cavs had a great gm like ainge, i guess lebron will stay.

    they didnt even enhance their team after losing 2006 nba finals.

     
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    Re: BRON:

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    Ray left over among other things his poor relationship with Rondo and his role coming off the bench.

    The circumstances of the feud with Ray/Rondo and its  reverberations set off a cascading chain of events that, while they were long overdue, were totally troubling.

    RA... then Doc... then KG and CPP.

    Now we have only Rondo and his presence represents a last bit of unfinished business that stands in the way of a truely fresh start for the franchise with BSteve providing adult leadership, something doc failed to provide.

    Pud



    And his poor relationshp with Pierce and Garnett. In the end Doc couldn't get either guy to recruit Ray. Seems Ray was the problem not Rondo. 

    Indeed Ray was the problem.... And Ray found the solution. Leaving a total mess behind!

    He won a 2nd ring coming off the Heat bench... while Rondo is left holding his johnson all by his lonesome,  pondering a very uncertain future.

    Pud 




    I'm glad you agree Ray was the problem. he left and became a small bit role player on a super team. Good for him. He and Mike Miller, carried that team. Oh wait. Okay it was Lebron.

     

    While Rondo get's the Celtics. A team with a super bright future. Love it :) 

     

     
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    Re: BRON:

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    And his poor relationshp with Pierce and Garnett. In the end Doc couldn't get either guy to recruit Ray. Seems Ray was the problem not Rondo. 



    a whoo a what??  ray was the problem?  are you kidding me?  ray having the treads run off his sneaks was the problem because rondo the 58% free throw shooting wiz kid from hell did not want to dirty his hands drawing any fouls or running the ball (and risking drawing foul shots). 


    ray ran way too much in the half court set compensating for rondo.  IF there was a "problem" it was that KG and PP could not snap rondo out of it.  maybe they tried, maybe they didn't.  that story has not been told



    Ray was the problem in the locker room, as obvisouly Pierce and KG sided with Rondo (Couldn't bother to recruit Ray for Doc) on the floor his very poor defense became a problem, as did his lack of dribbling skills and inability to be anyone off the dribble anymore.

    His value now is to punish teams that double lebron James.

    Yes Ray was the problem. Rondo,  was and is our best player the last few years. I know it pains you, but that is reality. 

     

     
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    Re: BRON:

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    a whoo a what??  ray was the problem?  are you kidding me?  ray having the treads run off his sneaks was the problem because rondo the 58% free throw shooting wiz kid from hell did not want to dirty his hands drawing any fouls or running the ball (and risking drawing foul shots). 


    ray ran way too much in the half court set compensating for rondo.  IF there was a "problem" it was that KG and PP could not snap rondo out of it.  maybe they tried, maybe they didn't.  that story has not been told



    In a dysfunctional family, the one wanting out is usually labeled as a "problem."

    So far, both RA and BBD have been labeled as  a "problem" and both left under duress.

    Once a "problem" leaves, things typically continue to fester as new scapegoats are groomed.

    The real problem  is dysfunctional management (incl doc and DA) that encourages and tolerates scapegoating/favoritism/double standards to begin with.

    Pud



    That is just nonsense. 

     
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    Re: BRON:

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    In response to TheOriginalDfury13's comment:

    Mr. I'm taking my talents to south beach needs to stop talking. He's the biggest hypocrit walking the planet. Please Lebron.


    How is Lebron a hypocrite?  He didn't critizice players for leaving, he is criticizing players that criticize other players for leaving, and then, leaving themselves. 



    Uhm, Paul Pierce was traded. KG was traded. That is different than leaivng as a free agent. Both would have prefered to come back. 

     

    The only person, Lebron may have the right to critisize (without looking like an idiot) is Doc. 

     
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    Re: BRON:


    NO ONE OWES RAY SH$T! if he stayed around the original big 3 would still be intact in boston. the supporting cast around them would be: Rondo, Bradley, Green, Terry, Bass, Sully, Olynyk, Crawford.

    thats a competitive team right there.

    if ray never leaves the team is still the same and Doc is still the coach and the boys would be in business.

    RAY RUINED IT.

    pierce & kg were gonna finish their careers in Boston but ray bitc#ed out...

     
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    Re: BRON:

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    NO ONE OWES RAY SH$T! if he stayed around the original big 3 would still be intact in boston. the supporting cast around them would be: Rondo, Bradley, Green, Terry, Bass, Sully, Olynyk, Crawford.

    thats a competitive team right there.

    if ray never leaves the team is still the same and Doc is still the coach and the boys would be in business.

    RAY RUINED IT.

    pierce & kg were gonna finish their careers in Boston but ray bitc#ed out...


    Perfectly proves my point that the one wanting out of a dysfunctional family situation... is labeled as "the problem."

    RayRay moved on... the dysfunctional family/UBUNTU fraud at long last collapsed... and the franchise now has the opportunity to rebuild itself.

    Thank you, RA. You made us proud. Flo's baby boy  did good.

     

    Pud

     
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