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    that's your opinion though. Henson is listed as a PF, but he played a lot of C for the Bucks last season. Olynyk is listed as a C.. so having the two of them at PF/C, no matter which is which, is realistic. you simply don't like the trade because you overvalue Green, which is fine and dandy.

     

     



    I don't overvalue Green.

     

    Why trade Green when he's young, has a reasonable contract, and is the starting SF of the Celtics. Henson is even younger, has an even more reasonable contract, and could be the C's starting C/PF along with Olynyk. Ilyasova is young, has a reasonable contract, and could be the C's starting SF or PF. if the C's could create cap space while swapping Green for either one i think they should do it.

    Your trade proposal is not practical because the Celtics already have 2 PFs who could end up being starters this coming season. that's still a black and white opinion. both Olynyk AND Henson are capable of playing both PF and C. Green is the more accomplished and proven player, but Hanson is a much more valuable asset. 6-11 big man who showed big time promise in his rookie season and is on a rookie contract. those are the kinds of guys a rebuilding C's team should be looking for.

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    There is no need to trade one of you key players just to make a trade.  What is the plan here?  How does this makes the Celts better?

    Also, Jeff Green is way better than Galinari.  Finally last season Green started competing.  Galinari vanishes when the going gets tough.  A ready to compete Jeff Green is not getting traded for secondary reasons.

     
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    Jeff Green will not be traded for practical reasons.

    And you're the only one here speculating that John Henson will end up a Center in the NBA.

     



    there's nothing to speculate, he's already split time at PF/C in his rookie season. him being the long term starter specifically at the Center position has nothing to do with my reasoning for making the trade. what i said is that he could play center for the C's "right now". Faverani isn't anything until he plays his first game in the NBA and proves it. the C's have nobody else who could do any better and they are rebuilding so who really cares? he's younger than green, makes much less $ than green, and based on his age and what he showed his rookie season, has more potential than green. that makes him a more valuable asset to a rebuilding team that can either keep him or trade him down the line.

     

     
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    Jeff Green will not be traded for practical reasons.

    And you're the only one here speculating that John Henson will end up a Center in the NBA.

     



    there's nothing to speculate, he's already split time at PF/C in his rookie season. him being the long term starter specifically at the Center position has nothing to do with my reasoning for making the trade. what i said is that he could play center for the C's "right now". Faverani isn't anything until he plays his first game in the NBA and proves it. the C's have nobody else who could do any better and they are rebuilding so who really cares? he's younger than green, makes much less $ than green, and based on his age and what he should his rookie season, has more potential than green. that makes him a more valuable asset to a rebuilding team that can either keep him or trade him down the line.

     

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    There is no need to trade one of you key players just to make a trade.  What is the plan here?  How does this makes the Celts better?

    Also, Jeff Green is way better than Galinari.  Finally last season Green started competing.  Galinari vanishes when the going gets tough.  A ready to compete Jeff Green is not getting traded for secondary reasons.



    well, if you stay within the context of reality and remind yourself that the C's are a rebuilding team, then you will consider the logic behind not making the deal to get better "now", but to put the team in a better position for the "future". boston creates cap space and athletic 7ft PF/C's are more valuable than atheltic 6-9 F's, especially for a fraction of the cost.

     
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    There is no need to trade one of you key players just to make a trade.  What is the plan here?  How does this makes the Celts better?

    Also, Jeff Green is way better than Galinari.  Finally last season Green started competing.  Galinari vanishes when the going gets tough.  A ready to compete Jeff Green is not getting traded for secondary reasons.

     

     



    well, if you stay within the context of reality and remind yourself that the C's are a rebuilding team, then you will consider the logic behind not making the deal to get better "now", but to put the team in a better position for the "future". boston creates cap space and athletic 7ft PF/C's are more valuable than atheltic 6-9 F's, especially for a fraction of the cost.

     

     

     




    You don't rebuild by dumping better quality assets for lower quality material.  You make attempts to collect high quality material.  Be that by gambling hard with picks or by finding some taker who will trade for your lower quality material.

     

    As I said, it does not make sense to trade Jeff Green for secondary reasons.  Gamble with something else.

     
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    There is no need to trade one of you key players just to make a trade.  What is the plan here?  How does this makes the Celts better?

    Also, Jeff Green is way better than Galinari.  Finally last season Green started competing.  Galinari vanishes when the going gets tough.  A ready to compete Jeff Green is not getting traded for secondary reasons.

     

     



    well, if you stay within the context of reality and remind yourself that the C's are a rebuilding team, then you will consider the logic behind not making the deal to get better "now", but to put the team in a better position for the "future".boston creates cap space and athletic 7ft PF/C's are more valuable than atheltic 6-9 F's, especially for a fraction of the cost.

     

     

     

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    Huh????

     

    Rebuild has no defined prison time!  The sooner accomplished the better ... You don't plan on being bad for 3-5 years when rebuilding. It happens when you make mistakes like those that you are offering up!

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    who said anything about 3-5 years? the prison time is however long it takes to become a legit contender again. building a playoff team isn't very hard. trading green, who isn't a superstar or even an allstar, doesn't necessarily mean that it will take the franchise longer to become a contender. they certainly won't become a contender over night no matter if jeff green is in boston or not.

     
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    There is no need to trade one of you key players just to make a trade.  What is the plan here?  How does this makes the Celts better?

    Also, Jeff Green is way better than Galinari.  Finally last season Green started competing.  Galinari vanishes when the going gets tough.  A ready to compete Jeff Green is not getting traded for secondary reasons.

     

     



    well, if you stay within the context of reality and remind yourself that the C's are a rebuilding team, then you will consider the logic behind not making the deal to get better "now", but to put the team in a better position for the "future". boston creates cap space and athletic 7ft PF/C's are more valuable than atheltic 6-9 F's, especially for a fraction of the cost.

     

     

     




    You don't rebuild by dumping better quality assets for lower quality material.  You make attempts to collect high quality material.  Be that by gambling hard with picks or by finding some taker who will trade for your lower quality material.

     

    As I said, it does not make sense to trade Jeff Green for secondary reasons.  Gamble with something else.



    ok! thanks for sharing your opinion! don't wanna beat you into submission by sharing mine with you any longer. 

     
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    There is no need to trade one of you key players just to make a trade.  What is the plan here?  How does this makes the Celts better?

    Also, Jeff Green is way better than Galinari.  Finally last season Green started competing.  Galinari vanishes when the going gets tough.  A ready to compete Jeff Green is not getting traded for secondary reasons.

     

     

     

     



    well, if you stay within the context of reality and remind yourself that the C's are a rebuilding team, then you will consider the logic behind not making the deal to get better "now", but to put the team in a better position for the "future".boston creates cap space and athletic 7ft PF/C's are more valuable than atheltic 6-9 F's, especially for a fraction of the cost.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     



    Huh????

     

     

     

    Rebuild has no defined prison time!  The sooner accomplished the better ... You don't plan on being bad for 3-5 years when rebuilding. It happens when you make mistakes like those that you are offering up!

     

     



    who said anything about 3-5 years? the prison time is however long it takes to become a legit contender again. building a playoff team isn't very hard. trading green, who isn't a superstar or even an allstar, doesn't necessarily mean that it will take the franchise longer to become a contender. they certainly won't become a contender over night no matter if jeff green is in boston or not.

     

     

     




    But you don't trade your assets down ... the objective is to turn Green into a superstar either by good coaching/training or to trade him for someone better. You don't take bad assets in a trade for your good assets and think you are advancing the franchise at a faster pace by creating more cap room and less tradeable assets unless you are Mr Cricket ... LOL!!!

     



    you're basing that off of your opinion of the value of Green and Henson. to me, a 22 year old 6-11 PF/C who averaged 6ppg and 5rpg in his rookie season and is on a guarenteed 3 year deal for roughly $6M total, is more valuable than a 26 year old 6-9 SF/PF who has averaged 13.6ppg and 5.2rpg over a 6 year career and is signed to a 3 year deal for a rough total of $27M. 

    the real value of a player also depends on the state of the teams franchise. for a rebuilding franchise like boston i would prefer the size, youth, potential, and friendlier contract of John Henson. if i'm a middling team with established talent and looking to improve my potential playoff team, then i prefer the more experienced and established Green, who also fills a position of need at SF. 

     
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    keep in mind we aren't even considering SF Giannis Antetokounmpo who was just selected 15th overall in the 2013 draft. for Green, Bass, Crawford, and Randolph, that is a very fair deal. if the Bucks were to throw in a future 1st round pick that would be the icing on the cake! 

    Green is a long shot to become a superstar. trading him for an established superstar will require a whole different type of deal in which Boston would have to be the one's to give up young assets and picks. you're dreaming if you think boston can flip green straight up for a superstar. if it's going to happen it's going to be through good fortune, either a future draft pick that turns out, or a young player who has shown potential in the NBA already and ends up blossoming.

    26 years old 6 seasons 13.6ppg 5.2rpg 0 all-star appearances. keep things in perspective, this is reality.

     
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    keep in mind we aren't even considering SF Giannis Antetokounmpo who was just selected 15th overall in the 2013 draft. for Green, Bass, Crawford, and Randolph, that is a very fair deal. if the Bucks were to throw in a future 1st round pick that would be the icing on the cake! 

     

     




    Keep in mind that we are already half rebuilt ... this isn't a full blown rebuild as Danny was rebuilding on the fly with PP & KG. A reset is out of the question now cause that only sets the team back another 2 yrs minimum. Get with the program and stop trying to go backwards to get to the future ... the future is now!

     

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    first you said there is no set prison time when rebuilding. now you're claiming to know how far along the rebuilding process is and how long trading Green would set the team back. fact is, you have no clue how DA will go about rebuilding his team. we won't know that the process is complete until Boston makes another deep playoff run and appears to be a legit contender for a ring. we are hear to share our opinions, so please stop acting like yours is fact. this isn't your program we are getting with, it's DA's. but thanks for sharing your opinion!

     
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    keep in mind we aren't even considering SF Giannis Antetokounmpo who was just selected 15th overall in the 2013 draft. for Green, Bass, Crawford, and Randolph, that is a very fair deal. if the Bucks were to throw in a future 1st round pick that would be the icing on the cake! 

     

     

     

     




    Keep in mind that we are already half rebuilt ... this isn't a full blown rebuild as Danny was rebuilding on the fly with PP & KG. A reset is out of the question now cause that only sets the team back another 2 yrs minimum. Get with the program and stop trying to go backwards to get to the future ... the future is now!

     

     

     

     

     

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    first you said there is no set prison time when rebuilding. now you're claiming to know how far along the rebuilding process is and how long trading Green would set the team back. fact is, you have no clue how DA will go about rebuilding his team. we won't know that the process is complete until Boston makes another deep playoff run and appears to be a legit contender for a ring. we are hear to share our opinions, so please stop acting like yours is fact. this isn't your program we are getting with, it's DA's. but thanks for sharing your opinion!

     

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    By that I meant that there is no CBA Rule that mandates you must be bad a minimum of 3-5 yrs or more. If you can rebuild in two years more power to you and that's the route Danny has opted for based on his track record and what he'd done so far ... Get It???

     

    here ... and my LOGIC FILTER IS WORKING far better than NOT HAVING ONE AT ALL!!!

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    i think you're confusing your logic filter with your mental gymnastic filter. keep backpeddling, kid.

     
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