Call out the Rondo haters on their false assertions

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    Rondo’s critics have had an easy time of it on this board for several months.  During that period, they have gotten away with many false statements.  They have repeated them so many times that even many of Rondo’s supporters have come to accept some of them as facts.Well, the free ride is over.  In what follows, I will demonstrate that many of the critics’ key arguments against Rondo are clearly false.  In return, I want the large majority here who feel (as Magic Johnson and Bob Cousy do) that Rondo is an elite point guard who belongs in the discussion of who is the best PG in the NBA – to rise up in righteous indignation and regularly contradict these falshoods.

    1.      “…… he can’t hit a jump shot”.  The FACT is that this year Rondo is shooting 45%% on jumpers. [All data is from 82games.com] Compared to the percentage of even the top scoring PGs, that’s very nice shooting.  Therefore, this criticism is flat-out wrong, and the critics should be called on it every time they repeat this false statement. 

    2.      “…..  he doesn’t work on his jump shot”.  Obviously wrong - see above.  Rondo has made a big improvement in his jump shot percentage from last year. 

    3.      “…..  he can’t be an elite PG because he can’t hit FTs”.  It’s true that he is a terrible FT shooter – but the difference between his FT% and an OK percentage is equal to only one half of a point per game.  He averages two FTs per game, and makes one. To shoot 75%, he would need to make only a half a point more on FTs per game.  Hardly a fatal flaw. 

    4.      “….. he can’t make FTs, so he is afraid to go to the basket”.  More than half of Rondo’s shots are taken in the paint, a much higher percentage than any other PG, all of whom are primarily jump shooters.  This criticism is therefore completely false.  Call the critics on it every time they post it. 

    5.      “…..  he disappears at the end of close games”.  This statement is laughably wrong.  It proves how unreliable his critics’ observations are.  The FACTS are that in the last five minutes of close games this season, on a pro-rated basis, Rondo has taken more shots, has a higher FG%, has more assists and steals, and rebounds, and fewer TOs than his overall averages in these categories.  The same was true last season.  Therefore, this particular false statement should be greeted with mockery and derision every time it’s posted, since it is based on nothing but the critics’ bias/hatred.  

    6.      “….. he is assist-happy”.  Which is better - three additional assists per game, resulting in six or more points, OR, if Rondo shot instead of passed, three more points at the cost of one or two more missed shots?  C’mon, c’mon – do the math.  Six+ points, off of three assists is a lot better than three points and one or two more missed shots.  In addition, last year, the team’s eFGM% was 52.3%.  This year, Rondo has three more assists per game and the team’s eFGM% is 54.1%.   Coincidence?  Not likely, as the preceding point demonstrates. 

    7.      “ ….. he doesn’t play good defense”.   Since the NBA coaches overwhelmingly voted him to the first-team of the All-NBA Defensive team last year, this comes down to whose opinion you trust more – NBA coaches or BDC posters (the same posters, remember, who are absolutely sure that Rondo disappears in close games despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary).  

    8.      “….. he only gets all those assists because he is playing with four Hall of Famers.”  This is opinion, not fact.  Here are some FACTS: One of those four (Shaq) is a shadow of the player he once was, and is playing nowhere near the level that will justify his becoming a HOFer..  The other three are having career years in terms of FG% - and all three repeatedly credit Rondo for it.  Perhaps all three of them are wrong, and it is merely coincidence that all three are suddenly shooting better than before, or perhaps they are right and much of the credit goes to Rondo.  For any unbiased observer, however, the unanimous opinion of the three carries much more weight than opinions supported only by the biased observations of a few internet posters, (It should be noted, also, that only one of the four is now playing at a Hall of Fame level, and even that one, the rejuvenated Ray Allen, is doing so in only one aspect of the game - taking 3s.  His FT % and defense are much worse.) 

    9.      “….we aren’t biased, and we aren’t haters - we are merely pointing out some of the flaws in Rondo’s game.”  This frequently-made comment can easily be shown to be false.  If someone repeatedly makes negative statements about another person’s thinking and motivations, statements about which he COULD NOT KNOW THE TRUTH, and about which he has no supporting evidence, it is ridiculous for that person to pretend he has no bias.   With that in mind, think back to all of the totally unsubstantiated assertions made by those critics regarding Rondo’s mental state.  “He is afraid to shoot.”  “He only cares about his stats.”  “He has done nothing to improve his game because he thinks he doesn’t need to.”  “He stubbornly refuses to go into the gym and take the hundreds of shots per day that he needs to.”  “He plays lousy under the pressure and better defense of the playoffs.”  Now ask yourself whether these statements, taken as a whole, are those of an unbiased observer, or are clear evidence of unrelenting bias, and come close to justifying an assertion of hatred toward the subject? 

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    The last “hater” statement above (regarding Rondo’s playoff performances) is based on ONE playoff series – a series in which he merely played at the same level as during the regular season, had a triple double, and then nearly had a second one. The statement also totally ignores Rondo’s glittering performance in the 2009 playoffs, during which he nearly AVERAGED a triple-double, despite the complete absence of KG and the poor shooting of Ray Allen.  (That year’s playoffs also completely disprove the “four HOFers” argument, by the way.  In those 2009 playoffs - with only one of the Big Three performing at a high level - Rondo was absolutely brilliant.) His critics routinely ignore all these FACTS.  Which is why they deserve the appellation “haters”.   QED  
     
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    Look.  Its simple.  Rondo is very good at everything, but he either can't or won't shoot the ball and that is a HUGE liability for a PG and offsets many of his stellar attributes.

    I was not a Perk fan either.  we will do better without stonehands.  I hope we similarly take advantage of Rondo's percieved value in the market next year and trade him for a high draft pick and an all around PG who can hit a wide open 12-15 foot jumper and unclog the middle.
     
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    Eldunker, you apparently missed #1 above.  Rondo can hit jumpers as well as some of the top scoring PGs, and is only a few percentage points behind the best shooting PGs.

    That criticism of Rondo's game is false.  Please don't repeat it, or people will start to doubt your reading skills and sense of logic.  
     
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    DUDE!  Rondo is getting WIDE OPEN looks at his jumpers unlike every other PG because nobody is playing within 5 feet of him.  His percentage should be 70+%!!

    I can read just fine, but apparently you are blind and not watching the games.
     
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    Rondo’s critics have had an easy time of it on this board for several months.   During that period, they have gotten away with many false statements.   They have repeated them so many times that even many of Rondo’s supporters have come to accept some of them as facts. Well, the free ride is over.   In what follows, I will demonstrate that many of the critics’ key arguments against Rondo are clearly false.   In return, I want the large majority here who feel (as Magic Johnson and Bob Cousy do) that Rondo is an elite point guard who belongs in the discussion of who is the best PG in the NBA – to rise up in righteous indignation and regularly contradict these falshoods. 1.       “…… he can’t hit a jump shot”.   The FACT is that this year Rondo is shooting 45%% on jumpers. [All data is from 82games.com] Compared to the percentage of even the top scoring PGs, that’s very nice shooting.   Therefore, this criticism is flat-out wrong, and the critics should be called on it every time they repeat this false statement.   2.       “…..   he doesn’t work on his jump shot”.   Obviously wrong - see above.   Rondo has made a big improvement in his jump shot percentage from last year.   3.       “…..   he can’t be an elite PG because he can’t hit FTs”.   It’s true that he is a terrible FT shooter – but the difference between his FT% and an OK percentage is equal to only one half of a point per game.   He averages two FTs per game, and makes one. To shoot 75%, he would need to make only a half a point more on FTs per game.   Hardly a fatal flaw.   4.       “….. he can’t make FTs, so he is afraid to go to the basket”.   More than half of Rondo’s shots are taken in the paint, a much higher percentage than any other PG, all of whom are primarily jump shooters.   This criticism is therefore completely false.   Call the critics on it every time they post it.   5.       “…..   he disappears at the end of close games”.   This statement is laughably wrong.   It proves how unreliable his critics’ observations are.   The FACTS are that in the last five minutes of close games this season, on a pro-rated basis, Rondo has taken more shots, has a higher FG%, has more assists and steals, and rebounds, and fewer TOs than his overall averages in these categories.   The same was true last season.   Therefore, this particular false statement should be greeted with mockery and derision every time it’s posted, since it is based on nothing but the critics’ bias/hatred.     6.       “….. he is assist-happy”.   Which is better - three additional assists per game, resulting in six or more points, OR, if Rondo shot instead of passed, three more points at the cost of one or two more missed shots?   C’mon, c’mon – do the math.   Six+ points, off of three assists is a lot better than three points and one or two more missed shots.   In addition, last year, the team’s eFGM% was 52.3%.   This year, Rondo has three more assists per game and the team’s eFGM% is 54.1%.     Coincidence?   Not likely, as the preceding point demonstrates.   7.       “ ….. he doesn’t play good defense”.    Since the NBA coaches overwhelmingly voted him to the first-team of the All-NBA Defensive team last year, this comes down to whose opinion you trust more – NBA coaches or BDC posters (the same posters, remember, who are absolutely sure that Rondo disappears in close games despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary).   8.       “….. he only gets all those assists because he is playing with four Hall of Famers.”   This is opinion, not fact.   Here are some FACTS: One of those four (Shaq) is a shadow of the player he once was, and is playing nowhere near the level that will justify his becoming a HOFer..   The other three are having career years in terms of FG% - and all three repeatedly credit Rondo for it.   Perhaps all three of them are wrong, and it is merely coincidence that all three are suddenly shooting better than before, or perhaps they are right and much of the credit goes to Rondo.   For any unbiased observer, however, the unanimous opinion of the three carries much more weight than opinions supported only by the biased observations of a few internet posters, (It should be noted, also, that only one of the four is now playing at a Hall of Fame level, and even that one, the rejuvenated Ray Allen, is doing so in only one aspect of the game - taking 3s.   His FT % and defense are much worse.)   9.       “….we aren’t biased, and we aren’t haters - we are merely pointing out some of the flaws in Rondo’s game.”   This frequently-made comment can easily be shown to be false.   If someone repeatedly makes negative statements about another person’s thinking and motivations, statements about which he COULD NOT KNOW THE TRUTH, and about which he has no supporting evidence, it is ridiculous for that person to pretend he has no bias.     With that in mind, think back to all of the totally unsubstantiated assertions made by those critics regarding Rondo’s mental state.   “He is afraid to shoot.”   “He only cares about his stats.”   “He has done nothing to improve his game because he thinks he doesn’t need to.”   “He stubbornly refuses to go into the gym and take the hundreds of shots per day that he needs to.”   “He plays lousy under the pressure and better defense of the playoffs.”   Now ask yourself whether these statements, taken as a whole, are those of an unbiased observer, or are clear evidence of unrelenting bias, and come close to justifying an assertion of hatred toward the subject?   10.   The last “hater” statement above (regarding Rondo’s playoff performances) is based on ONE playoff series – a series in which he merely played at the same level as during the regular season, had a triple double, and then nearly had a second one. The statement also totally ignores Rondo’s glittering performance in the 2009 playoffs, during which he nearly AVERAGED a triple-double, despite the complete absence of KG and the poor shooting of Ray Allen.   (That year’s playoffs also completely disprove the “four HOFers” argument, by the way.   In those 2009 playoffs - with only one of the Big Three performing at a high level - Rondo was absolutely brilliant.) His critics routinely ignore all these FACTS.   Which is why they deserve the appellation “haters”.    QED    
    Posted by jerrycole


    I'll say it in fewer words to help your cause - the team that won the title had the following strategy - ignore Rondo.  He clanged jumper after jumper after jumper just like he is doing tonight against Utah and he shot a record 26% from the line in the finals.

    Rondo's incredible ability allowed the Lakers who won the title and had their starting center playing at about 25% to win their 16th title.  Their was all kinds of talk about the Lakers length but the reality is  one of the smallest guys on the floor complete inability to participate in the offense cost them the title.

    After the playoffs were over his own coach said that his inability to shoot really hurt them in the playoffs.

    Coach K, the coach of the USA team said we cannot afford to have players on the floor that cannot shoot and chose instead Billups and Westbrook.

    False assertions?  Not really - just really really really bad green colored glasses on your part.

    Give Devin Harris (the guy that is outscoring Rondo tonight and was an all-star before Rondo) 4 hall of famers and he will not average 13 assists - why not?  um, he actually takes shots and can finish and can hit free throws so he doesn't pass up wide open uncontested jumpers - why?  none of his jumpers are uncontested.

    The assertions that have always stood still stand and are not arguable.  He is at best an average point guard who benefits more than any other point guard in the league from who he plays with.

    He dropped 7 total points on the last two opponents, 7 not 70.  I know, I know it is not his job to score on the 20th best scoring team in the league.  BUt apparently it is his job to be dominated by the best point guards when there are match up problems for his teammates.

    If nobody guards your jumpers you should hit them - so quoting that he has hit 45% of them is completely laughable - if you gave some of the best point guards wide open uncontested jumpers on a regular basis like a layup drill they would hit 90%.  Stop the nonsense about his jumper.

    Rondo is the inbounds passer late in games and not even a remote part of the offense.... actual good point guards are part of the offense and at least a remote part of the offense in attempting to score late in games.  Rondo is the inbounds passer.  Most recently I saw him throw away the inbounds pass when attempting to win a game.

    "Performed brilliantly" is not a fact it is an opinion.  The fact is that in the epic series between the Bulls and the Celtics, Rose outscored Rondo.

    In my humble opinion for whatever it is worth if you trade Rondo out for any of the following players the Cs are no worse off and in many cases better:

    Rose, Williams, Paul, Westbrook, Harris, Udrih, Evans, Curry, Wall, Kidd, Nash, Terry, Brooks, and a whole host of others because as it is impossible for you to see and or even assess - Rondo and Perk have benefitted from whom they play with more than anyone else in the league. 

    Rondo will never get another sniff at an all-star game especially if Paul comes into the eastern conference.

    I believe I have watched every second of this game tonight and Rondo has not had one contested shot from more than 2 feet away from the rim and he has only made one of them.  The best play of the game was made by the guy he was supposed to be guarding.

    False assertions - keep searching.

    I love how posters use the word fact and then follow it up with their opinion..... "in fact tuna is so much better than grouper"......  "in fact I think Big Al will be a perennial all-star", as I read earlier tonight - "in fact Perk is a premier top 5 center in the league" - the Cs traded their second best center for the OKC Thunder's second best center but somehow Perk is one of the top 5 centers in the league - in fact, Perk is not even one of the 10 best centers in the league.

    How about this - in fact give Rondo the stiffs that Harris has to play with and he continues to miss wide open uncontested jumpers, more than half of his free throws, and his assists go down by 50% because he does not have 4 hall of famers to pass the ball to.

    Go check this fact - Rondo's assists have dropped dramatically since Shaq got injured.

    In fact...... you pretty much have nothing to say.
     
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    In Response to Call out the Rondo haters on their false assertions : I'll say it in fewer words to help your cause - the team that won the title had the following strategy - ignore Rondo.  He clanged jumper after jumper after jumper just like he is doing tonight against Utah and he shot a record 26% from the line in the finals. Rondo's incredible ability allowed the Lakers who won the title and had their starting center playing at about 25% to win their 16th title.  Their was all kinds of talk about the Lakers length but the reality is  one of the smallest guys on the floor complete inability to participate in the offense cost them the title. After the playoffs were over his own coach said that his inability to shoot really hurt them in the playoffs. Coach K, the coach of the USA team said we cannot afford to have players on the floor that cannot shoot and chose instead Billups and Westbrook. False assertions?  Not really - just really really really bad green colored glasses on your part. Give Devin Harris (the guy that is outscoring Rondo tonight and was an all-star before Rondo) 4 hall of famers and he will not average 13 assists - why not?  um, he actually takes shots and can finish and can hit free throws so he doesn't pass up wide open uncontested jumpers - why?  none of his jumpers are uncontested. The assertions that have always stood still stand and are not arguable.  He is at best an average point guard who benefits more than any other point guard in the league from who he plays with. He dropped 7 total points on the last two opponents, 7 not 70.  I know, I know it is not his job to score on the 20th best scoring team in the league.  BUt apparently it is his job to be dominated by the best point guards when there are match up problems for his teammates. If nobody guards your jumpers you should hit them - so quoting that he has hit 45% of them is completely laughable - if you gave some of the best point guards wide open uncontested jumpers on a regular basis like a layup drill they would hit 90%.  Stop the nonsense about his jumper. Rondo is the inbounds passer late in games and not even a remote part of the offense.... actual good point guards are part of the offense and at least a remote part of the offense in attempting to score late in games.  Rondo is the inbounds passer.  Most recently I saw him throw away the inbounds pass when attempting to win a game. "Performed brilliantly" is not a fact it is an opinion.  The fact is that in the epic series between the Bulls and the Celtics, Rose outscored Rondo. In my humble opinion for whatever it is worth if you trade Rondo out for any of the following players the Cs are no worse off and in many cases better: Rose, Williams, Paul, Westbrook, Harris, Udrih, Evans, Curry, Wall, Kidd, Nash, Terry, Brooks, and a whole host of others because as it is impossible for you to see and or even assess - Rondo and Perk have benefitted from whom they play with more than anyone else in the league.  Rondo will never get another sniff at an all-star game especially if Paul comes into the eastern conference. I believe I have watched every second of this game tonight and Rondo has not had one contested shot from more than 2 feet away from the rim and he has only made one of them.  The best play of the game was made by the guy he was supposed to be guarding. False assertions - keep searching. I love how posters use the word fact and then follow it up with their opinion..... "in fact tuna is so much better than grouper"......  "in fact I think Big Al will be a perennial all-star", as I read earlier tonight - "in fact Perk is a premier top 5 center in the league" - the Cs traded their second best center for the OKC Thunder's second best center but somehow Perk is one of the top 5 centers in the league - in fact, Perk is not even one of the 10 best centers in the league. How about this - in fact give Rondo the stiffs that Harris has to play with and he continues to miss wide open uncontested jumpers, more than half of his free throws, and his assists go down by 50% because he does not have 4 hall of famers to pass the ball to. Go check this fact - Rondo's assists have dropped dramatically since Shaq got injured. In fact...... you pretty much have nothing to say.
    Posted by TheDUDDER


    I thought you said you were going to say it it fewer words.  Looks like you said a lot of words that added up to nothing.
     
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    DUDDER the racist posts his drivel that nobody bothers to read b/c he cuts and pastes the same trash that has been proven wrong with facts for years
     
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    In Response to Re: Call out the Rondo haters on their false assertions : I thought you said you were going to say it it fewer words.  Looks like you said a lot of words that added up to nothing.
    Posted by frommaine


    Please let me know which parts of the "nothing" is inaccurate.

     
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    Ray Allen is the reason the Celtics won tonight. But Rondo sealed the deal when he made that 15 footer with less than a minute remaining. That shot was crucial!
     
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    Give Rondo some proper tonight. He bounced back from a poor game. He ran the floor well, hit the boards, and made shots that everybody yells at him for taking. I say keep taking them or you can't be effective. Also, he made a big play by batting a ball down the court with a few seconds left. That was a big play. Go Rajon.
     
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    Ray Allen is the reason the Celtics won tonight. But Rondo sealed the deal when he made that 15 footer with less than a minute remaining. That shot was a crucial!
    Posted by P34


    Yes that shot was crucial and had he not missed the 8 or so wide open uncontested jumpers before that, the shot would have been much less crucial.

    He clanged wide open uncontested jumpers that any number of other point guards in the league make like a lay up drill.

    Just like the Wizard of Oz.  Please ignore that man behind the curtain - he will miss jumper after jumper after jumper after jumper nobody will be within 15 feet of him while taking those jumpers and then he will finally make one and it will somehow become crucial......... 

    As opposed to crucial it is more like even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while.  With even a decent jumper the game should have been a 15 point game and would have never come down to a shot or two at the end but of course as Celtics fans and especially as Rondo fans we have to ignore all the clangs and thank our lucky stars that we had Rondo to make that one "crucial" shot.
     
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    One thing people overlook - Rondo is by far the smartest player in the NBA. Much more than can be said about a number of our fellow posters at BDC.
     
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    In Response to Call out the Rondo haters on their false assertions : I'll say it in fewer words to help your cause - the team that won the title had the following strategy - ignore Rondo.  He clanged jumper after jumper after jumper just like he is doing tonight against Utah and he shot a record 26% from the line in the finals. Rondo's incredible ability allowed the Lakers who won the title and had their starting center playing at about 25% to win their 16th title.  Their was all kinds of talk about the Lakers length but the reality is  one of the smallest guys on the floor complete inability to participate in the offense cost them the title. After the playoffs were over his own coach said that his inability to shoot really hurt them in the playoffs. Coach K, the coach of the USA team said we cannot afford to have players on the floor that cannot shoot and chose instead Billups and Westbrook. False assertions?  Not really - just really really really bad green colored glasses on your part. Give Devin Harris (the guy that is outscoring Rondo tonight and was an all-star before Rondo) 4 hall of famers and he will not average 13 assists - why not?  um, he actually takes shots and can finish and can hit free throws so he doesn't pass up wide open uncontested jumpers - why?  none of his jumpers are uncontested. The assertions that have always stood still stand and are not arguable.  He is at best an average point guard who benefits more than any other point guard in the league from who he plays with. He dropped 7 total points on the last two opponents, 7 not 70.  I know, I know it is not his job to score on the 20th best scoring team in the league.  BUt apparently it is his job to be dominated by the best point guards when there are match up problems for his teammates. If nobody guards your jumpers you should hit them - so quoting that he has hit 45% of them is completely laughable - if you gave some of the best point guards wide open uncontested jumpers on a regular basis like a layup drill they would hit 90%.  Stop the nonsense about his jumper. Rondo is the inbounds passer late in games and not even a remote part of the offense.... actual good point guards are part of the offense and at least a remote part of the offense in attempting to score late in games.  Rondo is the inbounds passer.  Most recently I saw him throw away the inbounds pass when attempting to win a game. "Performed brilliantly" is not a fact it is an opinion.  The fact is that in the epic series between the Bulls and the Celtics, Rose outscored Rondo. In my humble opinion for whatever it is worth if you trade Rondo out for any of the following players the Cs are no worse off and in many cases better: Rose, Williams, Paul, Westbrook, Harris, Udrih, Evans, Curry, Wall, Kidd, Nash, Terry, Brooks, and a whole host of others because as it is impossible for you to see and or even assess - Rondo and Perk have benefitted from whom they play with more than anyone else in the league.  Rondo will never get another sniff at an all-star game especially if Paul comes into the eastern conference. I believe I have watched every second of this game tonight and Rondo has not had one contested shot from more than 2 feet away from the rim and he has only made one of them.  The best play of the game was made by the guy he was supposed to be guarding. False assertions - keep searching. I love how posters use the word fact and then follow it up with their opinion..... "in fact tuna is so much better than grouper"......  "in fact I think Big Al will be a perennial all-star", as I read earlier tonight - "in fact Perk is a premier top 5 center in the league" - the Cs traded their second best center for the OKC Thunder's second best center but somehow Perk is one of the top 5 centers in the league - in fact, Perk is not even one of the 10 best centers in the league. How about this - in fact give Rondo the stiffs that Harris has to play with and he continues to miss wide open uncontested jumpers, more than half of his free throws, and his assists go down by 50% because he does not have 4 hall of famers to pass the ball to. Go check this fact - Rondo's assists have dropped dramatically since Shaq got injured. In fact...... you pretty much have nothing to say.
    Posted by TheDUDDER


    You don't have a humble opinion and your short version was only a page long.  Lets see, Rondo 18 pts 11 assists,  Harris 19 pts and 5 assists.  Your right Harris dominated him.  Talk about not watching the game.  Take off those anti green colored glasses and you might be able to see something.
     
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    In Response to Re: Call out the Rondo haters on their false assertions : You don't have a humble opinion and your short version was only a page long.  Lets see, Rondo 18 pts 11 assists,  Harris 19 pts and 5 assists.  Your right Harris dominated him.  Talk about not watching the game.  Take off those anti green colored glasses and you might be able to see something.
    Posted by OneOnOne


    Please find the quote where I said dominated.... what I will assert is that with Harris vs. Rondo the Cs would certainly be no worse off.

    There are no circumstances where I want you to put words in my mouth because I would not want my vocabulary limited by you.

    They played a team that has been together for a week and won by 5 where the other team's defensive strategy as has been adopted by many teams is to ignore Rondo and it almost paid off.  What a surprise.

    What if Harris had the option to pass it to Ray and Paul as opposed ot AK47 and Millsap..... um well Rondo would not have 11 assists and he would continue to miss most of his shots as he did tonight..... clang, clang, clang clang...... as usual.
     
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    [QUOTE]Rondo’s critics have had an easy time of it on this board for several months.   During that period, they have gotten away with many false statements.   They have repeated them so many times that even many of Rondo’s supporters have come to accept some of them as facts. Well, the free ride is over.   In what follows, I will demonstrate that many of the critics’ key arguments against Rondo are clearly false.   In return, I want the large majority here who feel (as Magic Johnson and Bob Cousy do) that Rondo is an elite point guard who belongs in the discussion of who is the best PG in the NBA – to rise up in righteous indignation and regularly contradict these falshoods. 1.       “…… he can’t hit a jump shot”.   The FACT is that this year Rondo is shooting 45%% on jumpers. [All data is from 82games.com] Compared to the percentage of even the top scoring PGs, that’s very nice shooting.   Therefore, this criticism is flat-out wrong, and the critics should be called on it every time they repeat this false statement.   2.       “…..   he doesn’t work on his jump shot”.   Obviously wrong - see above.   Rondo has made a big improvement in his jump shot percentage from last year.   3.       “…..   he can’t be an elite PG because he can’t hit FTs”.   It’s true that he is a terrible FT shooter – but the difference between his FT% and an OK percentage is equal to only one half of a point per game.   He averages two FTs per game, and makes one. To shoot 75%, he would need to make only a half a point more on FTs per game.   Hardly a fatal flaw.   4.       “….. he can’t make FTs, so he is afraid to go to the basket”.   More than half of Rondo’s shots are taken in the paint, a much higher percentage than any other PG, all of whom are primarily jump shooters.   This criticism is therefore completely false.   Call the critics on it every time they post it.   5.       “…..   he disappears at the end of close games”.   This statement is laughably wrong.   It proves how unreliable his critics’ observations are.   The FACTS are that in the last five minutes of close games this season, on a pro-rated basis, Rondo has taken more shots, has a higher FG%, has more assists and steals, and rebounds, and fewer TOs than his overall averages in these categories.   The same was true last season.   Therefore, this particular false statement should be greeted with mockery and derision every time it’s posted, since it is based on nothing but the critics’ bias/hatred.     6.       “….. he is assist-happy”.   Which is better - three additional assists per game, resulting in six or more points, OR, if Rondo shot instead of passed, three more points at the cost of one or two more missed shots?   C’mon, c’mon – do the math.   Six+ points, off of three assists is a lot better than three points and one or two more missed shots.   In addition, last year, the team’s eFGM% was 52.3%.   This year, Rondo has three more assists per game and the team’s eFGM% is 54.1%.     Coincidence?   Not likely, as the preceding point demonstrates.   7.       “ ….. he doesn’t play good defense”.    Since the NBA coaches overwhelmingly voted him to the first-team of the All-NBA Defensive team last year, this comes down to whose opinion you trust more – NBA coaches or BDC posters (the same posters, remember, who are absolutely sure that Rondo disappears in close games despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary).    8.       “….. he only gets all those assists because he is playing with four Hall of Famers.”   This is opinion, not fact.   Here are some FACTS: One of those four (Shaq) is a shadow of the player he once was, and is playing nowhere near the level that will justify his becoming a HOFer..   The other three are having career years in terms of FG% - and all three repeatedly credit Rondo for it.   Perhaps all three of them are wrong, and it is merely coincidence that all three are suddenly shooting better than before, or perhaps they are right and much of the credit goes to Rondo.   For any unbiased observer, however, the unanimous opinion of the three carries much more weight than opinions supported only by the biased observations of a few internet posters, (It should be noted, also, that only one of the four is now playing at a Hall of Fame level, and even that one, the rejuvenated Ray Allen, is doing so in only one aspect of the game - taking 3s.   His FT % and defense are much worse.)   9.       “….we aren’t biased, and we aren’t haters - we are merely pointing out some of the flaws in Rondo’s game.”   This frequently-made comment can easily be shown to be false.   If someone repeatedly makes negative statements about another person’s thinking and motivations, statements about which he COULD NOT KNOW THE TRUTH, and about which he has no supporting evidence, it is ridiculous for that person to pretend he has no bias.     With that in mind, think back to all of the totally unsubstantiated assertions made by those critics regarding Rondo’s mental state.   “He is afraid to shoot.”   “He only cares about his stats.”   “He has done nothing to improve his game because he thinks he doesn’t need to.”   “He stubbornly refuses to go into the gym and take the hundreds of shots per day that he needs to.”   “He plays lousy under the pressure and better defense of the playoffs.”   Now ask yourself whether these statements, taken as a whole, are those of an unbiased observer, or are clear evidence of unrelenting bias, and come close to justifying an assertion of hatred toward the subject?   10.   The last “hater” statement above (regarding Rondo’s playoff performances) is based on ONE playoff series – a series in which he merely played at the same level as during the regular season, had a triple double, and then nearly had a second one. The statement also totally ignores Rondo’s glittering performance in the 2009 playoffs, during which he nearly AVERAGED a triple-double, despite the complete absence of KG and the poor shooting of Ray Allen.   (That year’s playoffs also completely disprove the “four HOFers” argument, by the way.   In those 2009 playoffs - with only one of the Big Three performing at a high level - Rondo was absolutely brilliant.) His critics routinely ignore all these FACTS.   Which is why they deserve the appellation “haters”.    QED    
    Posted by Dudder and Dunker will never give Rondo credit. They`d have hated Cousy. Didn`t have a jumper.
     
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    www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/extras/celtics_blog/2011/02/updates_from_ce_67.html">Final: Celtics 107, Jazz 102

    Final,, Celtics 107-102: The Celtics return home after a 3-1 road trip and nearly two weeks away from TD Garden with a gritty win over a tough Utah club. Al Jefferson burned his former team with 28 points and 19 rebounds but the Jazz missed free throws down the stretch and the Celtics scored eight points in the final two minutes to seal it. Kevin Garnett finished with 18 points and 14 rebounds.

    Fourth quarter, 11.8, Celtics 107-102: Rajon Rondo hits a big jumper from the free throw line for a 4-point lead and Devin Harris misses one of two free throws. Paul Pierce comes back and hits both free throws to put the Celtics closer to a win after nearly two weeks on the road.I think youll find that the main problem was allowing pts in the pain. Is that rondo's fault too? We can also say that if Harris makes all his shots then those missed free throws aren't necessary. The fact is, our interior defense was terrible. We had no answer for Jefferson, and i won't blame that on Rondo. Ill leave that to you.Rrhaters

     
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    In Response to Re: Call out the Rondo haters on their false assertions : I thought you said you were going to say it it fewer words.  Looks like you said a lot of words that added up to nothing.
    Posted by frommaine

    as usual
     
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    www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/extras/celtics_blog/2011/02/updates_from_ce_67.html">Final: Celtics 107, Jazz 102

    Final,, Celtics 107-102: The Celtics return home after a 3-1 road trip and nearly two weeks away from TD Garden with a gritty win over a tough Utah club. Al Jefferson burned his former team with 28 points and 19 rebounds but the Jazz missed free throws down the stretch and the Celtics scored eight points in the final two minutes to seal it. Kevin Garnett finished with 18 points and 14 rebounds.

    Fourth quarter, 11.8, Celtics 107-102: Rajon Rondo hits a big jumper from the free throw line for a 4-point lead and Devin Harris misses one of two free throws. Paul Pierce comes back and hits both free throws to put the Celtics closer to a win after nearly two weeks on the road.I think youll find that the main problem was allowing pts in the pain. Is that rondo's fault too? We can also say that if Harris makes all his shots then those missed free throws aren't necessary. The fact is, our interior defense was terrible. We had no answer for Jefferson, and i won't blame that on Rondo. Ill leave that to you.Rrhaters

     
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    Paul was clanging alot of shots tonight. Big Baby couldn't make a shot either.
     
    They only won by 5,because they are implementing 2 new guys. They also had to play Johnson and Bradley in the first half. 
     
    Rondo would be just fine passing the ball to Kirilenko,Big Al and Milsap.
    Milsap is Big Baby with athletic ability and a better jumper. Big Al was the best player on the court tonight. Kirilenko is a good finisher.
     
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    Lets not turn a difference of opinion into an anti-green, Rondo hater, commie lover accusation.  I love the Cetlics and don't dislike Rondo what so ever.  He simply has an incomplete game that often compromises the Celtics ability to be a better team.  What I would give for a complete PG like Chris Paiul, Deron Williams, Nash, Rose, Westbrook, to help win it all this year...  

     
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    A healthy Delonte and this game is not even close.

    Pud
     
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    A healthy Delonte and this game is not even close. Pud
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    That goes without saying.  There are probably a half dozen games that I can think of that they would have won if he were healthy.  Really kind of stinks that he has not been healthy.
     
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    I've often thought that there should be a board rule against responding to the Dud's posts - it's too much like shooting fish in a barrel, very unsporting.

    But I just can't resist.  It's a character flaw, I know it.

    I'll just respond to the most ridiculous parts - although that doesn't cut it down much.

    1)  "clang like in tonight's game" - except that Rondo hit 9 of his sixteen shots, well over 50%. 

    2)  "Doc said that Rondo's inability to shoot hurt the team."  "Coach K said they couldn't have players who can't shoot."  Both statements were true.  BUT they were about last year when Rondo shot 37% on jump shots.  This year he's shooting 45%.  Try to keep up with the times. Dud.  You're stuck in the past. 

    3)  DHarris "outscored Rondo tonight".  The Dud's allegiance to the Knicks shows itself here.  See Dud, in Celtic Nation, most people understand that there is more to the game than scoring.  Most of the Celtics' many championship teams had no one anywhere near the scoring championship.  In Boston, we equally value the many other aspects of the game.  So the fact that Harris outscored Rondo by ONE POINT tonight doesn't impress real Celtics fans when Rondo also had 11 assists to Harris's 5, 4 rebounds to Harris's 1, and shot 56% to Harris's 54%.  Try to wrap your mind around the fact that scoring points isn't all there is in basketball.

    4) The Celtics only beat "a team that had been together for a week."  Apparently you missed the news that two of the Celtics top seven guys have been with the team only since Friday.

    5)  "Rondo isn't even part of the offense late in games."  Apparently you missed the part of the first post in this thread that related these FACTS:  Late in close games, Rondo shoots more, scores more, has more assists and rebounds and steals, and fewer turnovers on a per minute basis than his averages.  That doesn't sound like "not even part of the offense to me".  Does it to you? 

    6)  In trying to make the case that Rondo's deficiencies cost the Celtics the Championship last year, you ignored the team's terrible shooting and many fouls.  You also ignored Rondo's triple double in game 2, and near triple double in game 6.  Oh, I forgot - as a Knicks fan you are ignorant of the many aspects of basketball other than scoring.  I don't blame you for that - I just think it's a shame. 

    7) You attempted to denigrate Rondo's brilliant performance in the '09 playoffs by stating that Rose "outscored" him.  There it is again - the belief that all there is to basketball is scoring.  Apparently you missed the fact that Rondo handily surpassed Rose in other aspects of the game, such as assists, steals, rebounds, shooting percentage, etc.  In addition, you missed the fact that I referred to the playoffS - i.e., the other two series as well.  For those THREE series, with no Garnett, Rondo averaged a near triple double.  While "performed brilliantly" is a matter of opinion, it's an opinion that is shared by virtually every person who watched those playoffs - other than you, Pud and Acie.

    Could I suggest that you try learning about ALL aspects of basketball before offering your opinions and falsehoods masquerading as "facts". 
     
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    I've often thought that there should be a board rule against responding to the Dud's posts - it's too much like shooting fish in a barrel, very unsporting. But I just can't resist.  It's a character flaw, I know it. I'll just respond to the most ridiculous parts - although that doesn't cut it down much. 1)  "clang like in tonight's game" - except that Rondo hit 9 of his sixteen shots, well over 50%.  2)  "Doc said that Rondo's inability to shoot hurt the team."  "Coach K said they couldn't have players who can't shoot."  Both statements were true.  BUT they were about last year when Rondo shot 37% on jump shots.  This year he's shooting 45%.  Try to keep up with the times. Dud.  You're stuck in the past.  3)  DHarris "outscored Rondo tonight".  The Dud's allegiance to the Knicks shows itself here.  See Dud, in Celtic Nation, most people understand that there is more to the game than scoring.  Most of the Celtics' many championship teams had no one anywhere near the scoring championship.  In Boston, we equally value the many other aspects of the game.  So the fact that Harris outscored Rondo by ONE POINT tonight doesn't impress real Celtics fans when Rondo also had 11 assists to Harris's 5, 4 rebounds to Harris's 1, and shot 56% to Harris's 54%.  Try to wrap your mind around the fact that scoring points isn't all there is in basketball. 4) The Celtics only beat "a team that had been together for a week."  Apparently you missed the news that two of the Celtics top seven guys have been with the team only since Friday. 5)  "Rondo isn't even part of the offense late in games."  Apparently you missed the part of the first post in this thread that related these FACTS:  Late in close games, Rondo shoots more, scores more, has more assists and rebounds and steals, and fewer turnovers on a per minute basis than his averages.  That doesn't sound like "not even part of the offense to me".  Does it to you?  6)  In trying to make the case that Rondo's deficiencies cost the Celtics the Championship last year, you ignored the team's terrible shooting and many fouls.  You also ignored Rondo's triple double in game 2, and near triple double in game 6.  Oh, I forgot - as a Knicks fan you are ignorant of the many aspects of basketball other than scoring.  I don't blame you for that - I just think it's a shame.  7) You attempted to denigrate Rondo's brilliant performance in the '09 playoffs by stating that Rose "outscored" him.  There it is again - the belief that all there is to basketball is scoring.  Apparently you missed the fact that Rondo handily surpassed Rose in other aspects of the game, such as assists, steals, rebounds, shooting percentage, etc.  In addition, you missed the fact that I referred to the playoffS - i.e., the other two series as well.  For those THREE series, with no Garnett, Rondo averaged a near triple double.  While "performed brilliantly" is a matter of opinion, it's an opinion that is shared by virtually every person who watched those playoffs - other than you, Pud and Acie. Could I suggest that you try learning about ALL aspects of basketball before offering your opinions and falsehoods masquerading as "facts". 
    Posted by jerrycole



    Destruction of a small angry mind at its best there jerry

    that was poetry

    DUD is a fool to garner pity, the stats and facts of the game simply can't reach him when he's here to hate and fight and pretend he wasn't wrong yesterday, last year, 3 years ago when he has been wrong the ENTIRE time
     
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    Eldunker, it hurts your credibility to offer Steve Nash as an example of a "complete" PG.  The next time ol' Stevie has a good defensive game will be his first good defensive game.  Rondo on the other hand was chosen by NBA coaches to the first team of the NBA's All-Defensive team.

    Apparently Westbrook's 39% shooting doesn't disqualify him from being a "complete" PG, but Rondo's 45% shooting does.  Someday you'll have to explain to me the how that works.

    You're not the Dud in disguise, are you?  The only reason I ask is that from the looks of your list of "complete" PGs, apparently your only criterion is scoring.
     
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