CAN NOT WAIT TO SEE KG VS. GASOL

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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: CAN NOT WAIT TO SEE KG VS. GASOL : Um, compare who Larry Bird had around him and who KG had around him. Quite the difference. It kind of helps to winb championships when you have help. Ask KG in 2008.
    Posted by NoraG1[/QUOTE]

    How nice of you to validate my argument. 

    Larry Bird surrounded by hall of famers was able to produce 20-10-5 more once in his career. KG surrounded by future hall of famers saw his numbers drop, in points per game, rebounds per game, and assists per game. I don't even think it's fair to compare Bird and KG. Bird was the best player on the old Big 3 while Pierce is the best player in the new Big 3.

    When Duncan joined the Spurs he became the Spurs' best player even with David Robinson around. From Robinson, Avery Johnson, and Sean Elliott to Rasho Nesterovic, Tony Parker, and Manu Ginobili the Spurs were always Tim Duncan's team. In the last 2 minutes of a close game the Spurs always give the ball to Duncan in the low post. 

    As Celtic fans I think we all know that Paul Pierce is the #1 option. Doc Rivers already said it a number of times, Paul Pierce is the Celtics' best player.

     
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    [QUOTE]One player can't win a chmpionship by themselves. It has been proven time and time again.
    Posted by NoraG1[/QUOTE]

    That's true. The difference is no matter who Duncan played with his numbers were always consistent. 

    Paul Pierce and Ray Allen are future hall of famers. Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili are hall of famers?

    Think about this, Tim Duncan has not lost in the Finals, ever. 


     
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    I guess you guys need further proof, or you did not look very hard. This is from Wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Garnett


    After disposing of the strong Sacramento Kings 4–3 in the Western Conference Semifinals, Garnett and the Timberwolves met the Lakers. Against the Lakers, playmaker Cassell went down with a back injury. With reserve point guard Hudson also injured, the Timberwolves alternated between third playmaker Darrick Martin and shooting guard Fred Hoiberg at the "one", or even running Garnett himself as point forward or a real point guard. The Los Angeles Lakers pulled off a 4–2 series win.
     
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    The NY Times:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/30/sports/pro-basketball-timberwolves-get-garnett-s-point-to-survive.html

    Garnett, often playing point guard in Cassell's absence, turned in a monster performance, recording 30 points, 19 rebounds and 4 assists while playing all but 2 minutes 24 seconds. He guarded every position at some point in the game.

    Coach Flip Saunders said the only performance he could compare to Garnett's masterpiece of versatility was Magic Johnson's 42-point, 15-rebound, 7-assist effort while playing center as a rookie in Game 6 of the 1980 N.B.A. finals.

    ''What we ask K. G. to do is remarkable,'' Saunders said. ''The only other time I can remember something similar is Magic and what was asked of him with the Lakers against Philly. K. G. was all over out there. He guarded everybody, from Shaq to Kobe to Fisher. He handled the ball and initiated our offense. He is physically exhausted.''

    Just because you did not see it happen does not mean that it did not happen.

     
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    From http://www.funtrivia.com/en/subtopics/NBA-All-Star-2003-130622.html

    Just before the end of the second quarter, Rick Adelmen substituted the most imposing lineup possible. At centre Yao Ming, power forward Shaquille O'Neal, small forward Tim Duncan, and shooting guard Kevin Garnett. This line proved very effected, they were on a 10-0 run.
     
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    Does this mean that KG playing PG in the Western Conference Finals in 2004 and playing SG in the 2003 All-Star game makes him a better player than Tim Duncan?

    Really? 

    Did KG get a ring playing PG or SG?
     
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    [QUOTE]The NY Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/30/sports/pro-basketball-timberwolves-get-garnett-s-point-to-survive.html Garnett, often playing point guard in Cassell's absence , turned in a monster performance, recording 30 points, 19 rebounds and 4 assists while playing all but 2 minutes 24 seconds. He guarded every position at some point in the game. Coach Flip Saunders said the only performance he could compare to Garnett's masterpiece of versatility was Magic Johnson's 42-point, 15-rebound, 7-assist effort while playing center as a rookie in Game 6 of the 1980 N.B.A. finals. ''What we ask K. G. to do is remarkable,'' Saunders said. ''The only other time I can remember something similar is Magic and what was asked of him with the Lakers against Philly. K. G. was all over out there. He guarded everybody, from Shaq to Kobe to Fisher. He handled the ball and initiated our offense. He is physically exhausted.'' Just because you did not see it happen does not mean that it did not happen.
    Posted by TeamUmbutu[/QUOTE]

    Paul Pierce played PG in the 4th qtr. against the Pacers. But Pierce didn't start at PG, Nate did. Just like Darrick Martin started at PG in Game 4, 5, and 6 of the 2004 Western Conference Finals.
     
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    [QUOTE]From http://www.funtrivia.com/en/subtopics/NBA-All-Star-2003-130622.html Just before the end of the second quarter, Rick Adelmen substituted the most imposing lineup possible. At centre Yao Ming, power forward Shaquille O'Neal, small forward Tim Duncan, and shooting guard Kevin Garnett . This line proved very effected, they were on a 10-0 run.
    Posted by TeamUmbutu[/QUOTE]

    Just because of a 10-0 run in an All-Star game KG is already better than Duncan?


     
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    [QUOTE]The NY Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/30/sports/pro-basketball-timberwolves-get-garnett-s-point-to-survive.html Garnett, often playing point guard in Cassell's absence , turned in a monster performance, recording 30 points, 19 rebounds and 4 assists while playing all but 2 minutes 24 seconds. He guarded every position at some point in the game. Coach Flip Saunders said the only performance he could compare to Garnett's masterpiece of versatility was Magic Johnson's 42-point, 15-rebound, 7-assist effort while playing center as a rookie in Game 6 of the 1980 N.B.A. finals. ''What we ask K. G. to do is remarkable,'' Saunders said. ''The only other time I can remember something similar is Magic and what was asked of him with the Lakers against Philly. K. G. was all over out there. He guarded everybody, from Shaq to Kobe to Fisher. He handled the ball and initiated our offense. He is physically exhausted.'' Just because you did not see it happen does not mean that it did not happen.
    Posted by TeamUmbutu[/QUOTE]

    That's where you are so wrong. Magic Johnson started at Center in Game 6 of the 1980 Finals. In the 2004 Western Conference Finals Darrick Martin started at PG when Cassell was not able to play. The difference is Magic Johnson from the start of the game until the end of the game was a Center. 

    Trying to pull a fast one?
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: CAN NOT WAIT TO SEE KG VS. GASOL : How nice of you to validate my argument.  Larry Bird surrounded by hall of famers was able to produce 20-10-5 more once in his career. KG surrounded by future hall of famers saw his numbers drop, in points per game, rebounds per game, and assists per game. I don't even think it's fair to compare Bird and KG. Bird was the best player on the old Big 3 while Pierce is the best player in the new Big 3. When Duncan joined the Spurs he became the Spurs' best player even with David Robinson around. From Robinson, Avery Johnson, and Sean Elliott to Rasho Nesterovic, Tony Parker, and Manu Ginobili the Spurs were always Tim Duncan's team. In the last 2 minutes of a close game the Spurs always give the ball to Duncan in the low post.  As Celtic fans I think we all know that Paul Pierce is the #1 option. Doc Rivers already said it a number of times, Paul Pierce is the Celtics' best player.
    Posted by P34[/QUOTE]

    How many times did Larry do this in his mid 30s? KG got his assists in MN with alot less talented teammates. KG could get more assists now if he wanted to, he has already proven more then capable of doing it. Its called sacraficing for the good of the team. Again none of these players one championships by themselves!!!!!!! I don't care whos team you called it these guys had alot more talent around them KG had in Minnesota and Duncan and Bird do not win without help!!!!!!
     
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    Pointless to argue with people who can't see that championships can't be one by one individual even though it has never happenned in the history of the game that I can see.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: CAN NOT WAIT TO SEE KG VS. GASOL : How many times did Larry do this in his mid 30s? KG got his assists in MN with alot less talented teammates. KG could get more assists now if he wanted to, he has already proven more then capable of doing it. Its called sacraficing for the good of the team. Again none of these players one championships by themselves!!!!!!! I don't care whos team you called it these guys had alot more talent around them KG had in Minnesota and Duncan and Bird do not win without help!!!!!!
    Posted by NoraG1[/QUOTE]

    Are you really that dumb? 

    Are you saying Bird gets more assists because he had great players around him? But KG on the other hand gets more assists in Minny because he had less talented teammates? 

    Then when KG is surrounded by great players his assists go down? Why? Because he takes more shots? If that's so then why has his scoring dropped? 

    You're starting to make stuff up.
     
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    [QUOTE]Pointless to argue with people who can't see that championships can't be one by one individual even though it has never happenned in the history of the game that I can see.
    Posted by NoraG1[/QUOTE]

    Nesterovic, Duncan, Bowen, Ginobili, Parker, and Horry as the 6th man - That team won a championship in 2005

    Oberto, Duncan, Bowen, Ginobili, Parker, and Horry as the 6th man - That team won a championship in 2007, swept Lebron James' Cavs in the Finals

    How many hall of famers are in that 2005 and 2007 Spurs team?
     
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    Why is it so hard to accept that Tim Duncan is slightly better than KG because Duncan is more dominant inside the paint? 

    There is nothing wrong with that. Both are great players, it's just unfortunate that KG does not have the bulk to bang inside.

    Who has more rings? Duncan.

    Who has more accolades? Duncan

    Who has better stats in both regular season and playoffs? Duncan.

    Who has better teammates? KG

    Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili are better players than Paul Pierce and Ray Allen? Of course not!

    It's just unfortunate that Parker and Ginobili have more rings because Perk got hurt in Game 7 of the 2010 Finals.

     
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    Duncan is one of the greatest NBA players ever. KG is also a great player, but he's not as good as Duncan IMO.

    Perhaps if Garnett had a David Robinson playing alongside him with the Wolves he may well have won a couple of titles there. Duncan was blessed to have Robinson as a team mate.

    Ginobili is a very fine player. You mentioned above about potential HOF players in those Spurs teams from '05 and '07. Ginobili may well make the HOF. Not only for his NBA play but for his career with Argentina.
     
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    [QUOTE]Duncan is one of the greatest NBA players ever. KG is also a great player, but he's not as good as Duncan IMO. Perhaps if Garnett had a David Robinson playing alongside him with the Wolves he may well have won a couple of titles there. Duncan was blessed to have Robinson as a team mate. Ginobili is a very fine player. You mentioned above about potential HOF players in those Spurs teams from '05 and '07. Ginobili may well make the HOF. Not only for his NBA play but for his career with Argentina.
    Posted by RUWorthy[/QUOTE]

    Paul Pierce and Ray Allen future hall of famers, right?

    Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili already established themselves as hall of fame players? What do you think?
     
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    P34 either you have amnesia, and forgot all the previous posts or you constantly choose to disregard the main argument.
     
    I believe the posts above respond to your previous statement that KG never played point guard. The article that you claim that someone was pulling a fast one is a direct quote from the NY times by KG's coach Flip Sanders. Do you even bother reading the posts or do you just thumb your nose in the dark?

    My point was that he is versitile enough that he has played and guarded every position 1-5 effectively. The evidence on this thread clearly shows that it is not my opinon but fact. Who else has ever done that? 

    KG did not play small forward? He played Small Forward in the first couple of years with the Wolves and Flip Sanders moved him back to small forward again at the start of the 2001 -2002 season

    http://www.jockbio.com/Bios/Garnett/Garnett_bio.html

    You were looking for a head to head comparison of statistics and I found one.

    Career Statistics: KG vs Tim Duncan playing against each other

    Duncan 20.6 ppg 12.1 rpg 1.9 bpg 3.4 apg 45.9 fg%
    Garnett 21.2 ppg 11.6 rpg 2.3 bpg 4.6 apg 44.7 fg%

    http://hubpages.com/hub/Garnett-vs-Duncan

    Again, if KG had been on a great team from the beginning, like Duncan, the view of their careers would likely be different. When KG was on a good team, the 2004 Timberwolves, and great teams, the 2008 and 2010 Wolves, his stock rises to the top. No one can win championships on his own, not Jordan, not Lebron, not Kobe, and not Duncan.
     
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    Here is an interesting viewpoint by someone else comparing Duncan and KG after he was traded to the Celtics.

    http://obeese.wordpress.com/2007/12/22/kevin-garnett-vs-tim-duncan-the-great-debate/

    Kevin Garnett vs. Tim Duncan: The Great Debate Rages On

    The debate has been renewed since Garnett was traded to Boston for a package of 7 players and future draft picks July 31st, 2007.

    KG vs. TD.

    In a way, this is the modern day version of www.nba.com/history/players/chamberlain_stats.html" target="_blank">Wilt vs. www.celticstats.com/player/billrussell.html" target="_blank">Russell

    Both are giants who own the paint.  Their defense and rebounding are renowned throughout the basketball world.  They’ve battled head-to-head for years.  One has the championships, the other the better numbers.  One has spent his entire career as the face of his franchise, the other has finally found himself teamed up with a cast of characters worthy of his greatness. 

    The difference this time: the Celtic isn’t the winner.

    That is not to say that KG is a loser, he simply hasn’t won it all.  Like Wilt, there is no denying his greatness; just watch one game and you will understand Garnett.  He is a dominant player, a dominant personality, and the de facto captain no matter what the media guide tells us about the Celtics being Paul Pierce’s team.

    The twist in the comparison is this: while Duncan emulates Russell by having already won 4 NBA championships and 3 Finals MVPs for the game’s most recent dynasty, his defense and team-first style perfectly parallels that of Kevin Garnett. 

    This has always led folks to wonder, if we simply switched the two players, would the results be the same or different?

    I say the results would be eerily similar, as no one man can win a championship by himself.  The precursor to this comparison proves that point–Wilt Chamberlain, the man who put up 30 points, 23 rebounds, and 4 and a half assists per game over his career, the man who averaged a whopping 48.5 minutes and 50.4 points per game in the 1961-62 season, could not do it alone.  (Unfortunately steals and blocks were not recorded as official NBA statistics until after Wilt and Russell’s careers ended, so the defensive part of the debate is much more difficult to quantify statistically.)

    There really is no definitive answer in this debate; this is not like Brady vs. Manning, where both are great, but one has proven he can elevate lesser surrounding talent to championship levels OR take his team to historic dominance when supplied with comparable talent.  This debate features two equally talented, sure-fire Hall-of-Famers: one who has won with great teams and one who has toiled in mediocrity for the majority of his professional life.

    The beauty of this debate is that we don’t yet have to come to a conclusion, the battle still rages on.  After a reprisal from basketball purgatory, Garnett finds himself leading the Boston Celtics to an NBA-best record of 21-3, with a legitimate chance to meet up with Duncan’s Spurs in this year’s Finals. 

    Now that The Big Ticket and The Big Fundamentals find themselves competing in a fair fight, the only real justice would be for the two greatest power forwards of their generation to meet in June and finally settle this debate once and for all.

     
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    [QUOTE]P34 either you have amnesia, and forgot all the previous posts or you constantly choose to disregard the main argument.   I believe the posts above respond to your previous statement that KG never played point guard. The article that you claim that someone was pulling a fast one is a direct quote from the NY times by KG's coach Flip Sanders. Do you even bother reading the posts or do you just thumb your nose in the dark? My point was that he is versitile enough that he has played and guarded every position 1-5 effectively. The evidence on this thread clearly shows that it is not my opinon but fact. Who else has ever done that?  KG did not play small forward? He played Small Forward in the first couple of years with the Wolves and Flip Sanders moved him back to small forward again at the start of the 2001 -2002 season http://www.jockbio.com/Bios/Garnett/Garnett_bio.html You were looking for a head to head comparison of statistics and I found one. Career Statistics: KG vs Tim Duncan playing against each other Duncan 20.6 ppg 12.1 rpg 1.9 bpg 3.4 apg 45.9 fg% Garnett 21.2 ppg 11.6 rpg 2.3 bpg 4.6 apg 44.7 fg% http://hubpages.com/hub/Garnett-vs-Duncan Again, if KG had been on a great team from the beginning, like Duncan, the view of their careers would likely be different. When KG was on a good team, the 2004 Timberwolves, and great teams, the 2008 and 2010 Wolves, his stock rises to the top. No one can win championships on his own, not Jordan, not Lebron, not Kobe, and not Duncan.
    Posted by Jump-ball-overtime[/QUOTE]

    Again, KG is versatile as hell. I don't disagree with that. I'm only saying that Duncan is SLIGHTLY better than KG because Duncan is better inside the paint.


     
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    Jump,

    I tell you what, if KG and the Celtics get Banner #18 in June 2011 you will not hear me say that Duncan is better than KG anymore.

    "The difference this time: the Celtic isn’t the winner."

    That article is saying that Duncan has the edge but the battle rages on.


     
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    [QUOTE]P34 either you have amnesia, and forgot all the previous posts or you constantly choose to disregard the main argument.   I believe the posts above respond to your previous statement that KG never played point guard. The article that you claim that someone was pulling a fast one is a direct quote from the NY times by KG's coach Flip Sanders. Do you even bother reading the posts or do you just thumb your nose in the dark? 
    Posted by Jump-ball-overtime[/QUOTE]

    Are you crazy? Darrick Martin started at PG when Cassell didn't play in Game 4, 5, and 6 of the 2004 Western Conference Finals.


    That's the link that proves KG never started at PG.

    Magic Johsnon played Center in the 1980 Finals meant he started at Center
     
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    Ok Truce -

    KG did play point guard. I saw it happen. Someone else saw it happen as well.

    Umbutu quotes a NY times article  above.

    In it KG's coach states what happened as well as the sports writer.
    This is a direct quote from the article not by a poster here. read the link if you do not believe me.

    The NY Times:
    www.nytimes.com/2004/05/30/sports/pro-basketball-timberwolves-get-garnett-s-point-to-survive.html">http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/30/sports/pro-basketball-timberwolves-get-garnett-s-point-to-survive.html

    Garnett, often playing point guard in Cassell's absence, turned in a monster performance, recording 30 points, 19 rebounds and 4 assists while playing all but 2 minutes 24 seconds. He guarded every position at some point in the game.

    Coach Flip Saunders said the only performance he could compare to Garnett's masterpiece of versatility was Magic Johnson's 42-point, 15-rebound, 7-assist effort while playing center as a rookie in Game 6 of the 1980 N.B.A. finals.

    ''What we ask K. G. to do is remarkable,'' Saunders said. ''The only other time I can remember something similar is Magic and what was asked of him with the Lakers against Philly. K. G. was all over out there. He guarded everybody, from Shaq to Kobe to Fisher. He handled the ball and initiated our offense. He is physically exhausted.''

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: CAN NOT WAIT TO SEE KG VS. GASOL : Paul Pierce and Ray Allen future hall of famers, right? Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili already established themselves as hall of fame players? What do you think?
    Posted by P34[/QUOTE]

    Pierce and Allen are locks for HOF. Parker? I don't know. Manu. Perhaps.

    Was using the Robinson analogy with KG because if Robinson was at the Wolves in 1995 when they drafted KG. Then they would have won multiple titles together. Playing alongside Robinson and having excellent coaching made Duncan the player he is. 

    I think that Mr Robinson is the key to Duncans early success and development.
    Also staying in college for four years didn't do him any harm.

     
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     The stats seem close enough for subjective judgement to prevail.   Watching them both play in dozens  (if not hundreds) of games over the years, I know this:
    If I'm picking players to play on my team...    I pick KG over Duncan, no question, no hesitation, 10 times out of 10.   
     
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    In Response to Re: CAN NOT WAIT TO SEE KG VS. GASOL:
    [QUOTE]Ok Truce - KG did play point guard. I saw it happen. Someone else saw it happen as well. Umbutu quotes a NY times article  above. In it KG's coach states what happened as well as the sports writer. This is a direct quote from the article not by a poster here. read the link if you do not believe me. The NY Times: www.nytimes.com/2004/05/30/sports/pro-basketball-timberwolves-get-garnett-s-point-to-survive.html " /> http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/30/sports/pro-basketball-timberwolves-get-garnett-s-point-to-survive.html Garnett, often playing point guard in Cassell's absence , turned in a monster performance, recording 30 points, 19 rebounds and 4 assists while playing all but 2 minutes 24 seconds. He guarded every position at some point in the game. Coach Flip Saunders said the only performance he could compare to Garnett's masterpiece of versatility was Magic Johnson's 42-point, 15-rebound, 7-assist effort while playing center as a rookie in Game 6 of the 1980 N.B.A. finals. ''What we ask K. G. to do is remarkable,'' Saunders said. ''The only other time I can remember something similar is Magic and what was asked of him with the Lakers against Philly. K. G. was all over out there. He guarded everybody, from Shaq to Kobe to Fisher. He handled the ball and initiated our offense. He is physically exhausted.''
    Posted by Jump-ball-overtime[/QUOTE]

    I didn't say KG didn't play PG at some point in the game. The difference is Magic Johnson STARTED/STARTER as Center in that 1980 Finals game. While Darrick Martin was the STARTING PG when Cassell couldn't play in Game 4, 5, and 6 of the 2004 Western Conference Finals. Can't you understand that?

    OF COURSE Flip Saunders would say what he said. He was the coach of that Wolves team. Did you expect Saunders to say KG was not even close to what Magic Johnson did in 1980?

    Paul Pierce plays PG a lot of times in the 4th qtr. of close games. Nothing is special about that. If KG started the game at PG in Game 4, 5, and 6 of the 2004 Western Conference Finals then it would have been something special.

     

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