Re: Celtics are better with Nate at the point
posted at 11/30/2010 7:18 PM EST
In Response to Re: Celtics are better with Nate at the point
If Rondo averages 14 assists for the season he'll join John Stockton as the only players to do so. Are the C's better with Nate at the point? Are you kidding?
Posted by paulliu
I started a post and I think I may have hit delete or post and not sure which so I will start over:
No other point guard plays with as much talent as Rondo - so then the argument is does Rondo make them better or do his teammates make him look better? Shaq, Pierce, KG, and Ray all going to the HOF while Rondo was still in high school. Is it tough to imagine Brandon Jennings (the only player in history other than Wilt to score 55 points in a game and have a triple double in a calendar year) making the Cs just as good, is it tough to imagine that there have been 3 players in history to average 20 ppg, 5 assists, and 5 rebounds as rookies (Tyreke Evans) would not make the Cs better....
The Cs have the best record in the conference but are only about 10 points away from being 7 and 9 - 3 over time games and a marginal victory against the Knicks.
Rondo is the absolute worse shooter in the league - from the field - from the line... in my estimation he averages at least 5 assists per game simply by passing up what most point guards would consider routine jumpers - in Rondo's case they should be routine especially since there is nobody within 15 feet of him (just picture Arenas with nobody within 15 feet of him). Rondo is a terrible finisher partially because he is afraid of having to go to the foul line. If Steph Curry was the point guard of the team, they would lead the league in scoring and Paul and or Ray would never ever ever ever be double teamed - if Arron Brooks was the starting point guard they would lead the league in scoring and Paul and or Ray would never ever ever ever be double teamed again...... and those are just two examples. Add Devin Harris, John Wall, Jameer Nelson, Baron Davis, and a whole bunch more - bottom line - there are any number of players that if they were to be swapped with Rondo, the Cs would be no worse off and in many cases a lot better.
He averages another 5 assists per game simply by whom he plays with - just imagine him not being able to shoot / finish and having to pass to the ball to Tony Allen instead of Ray Allen, passing it to Udonis Haslem instead of KG, Andre Thornton instead of Paul Pierce - in other words - imagine if Rondo had to pass the ball to lesser players and at the same time be the worst shooter in the league.
The other and to me most laughable discussion / argument is "Rondo is perfect for this team".... as if having a less complete player is better than having a more complete player...... What the hell would we possibly do with Russell Westbrook who is 3 years younger than Rondo and very quickly becoming the most dominant point guard in the leauge when we can have Rondo who very simply cannot shoot from just about anywhere on the floor? We have KG, PP, Ray, and Shaq, and somehow if Deron Williams or Steve Nash was here the Cs would be so worse off because those guys are more complete players but it would somehow hurt the team because Rondo is somehow giving up some of his game..... he doesn't have the game to give up - as if the Cs are somehow restricting his game to subjugate his game for the team and the the actual 3 stars are holding Rondo's game back.
Every point guard that can shoot or score is scorned for being a score-first as opposed to pass-first point guard.... as if actually being part of the offense is a bad thing for your point guard to actually be part of the offense as opposed to once Rondo let's go of the ball he is a complete non-factor in the team's offense.
Ray and Paul run their a-sses off until Rondo can find them and a lot of the time their hustle results in an assists but a lot of the time in the half court set Rondo pounds the ball into the floor, runs the shot clock down, passes the ball to someone else and if it is not a clean shot you can find Rondo standing in the corner with his fingers crossed hoping the ball never gets back to him as the shot clock winds down...... I love at the end of quarters when Rondo has the ball and the other team's players are trying not to laugh too hard while Rondo pounds the ball into the floor and doubles off him and then when there is no other option he flings something up that barely catches iron... the other team is thinking ok let's just go sit down with the score the way it is because there is not even a remote possibility that Rondo will make the shot - I think it would save some players groin or abdominal injuries from laughing too hard.
Watching the game through green colored glasses - this week on WEEI the Celtics player of the week was Rondo - he missed three games and in the only game he played, the opposing point guard had one more assist and 11 more points - the news was in Rondo's return he had 14 assists while ignoring he had 4 points, Calderon had 14 points and 15 assists but somehow Rondo is player of the week..........
Objectivity is not something that will ever exist on this blog but I am going to at least try to provide at least a little.
In year 5 of Rondo there remains at least a dozen players who if flipflopped with Rondo, the Cs would be no worse off and in a lot of cases be a lot better - give up a little defense but gain lots of offense and take lots of pressure off the other scorers.....
This is an objective assessment - and certainly nothing that most Celtics fans can even comprehend let alone digest, accept, and agree with.