Celtics are better with Nate at the point

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    In Response to Re: Celtics are better with Nate at the point : Do you rewrite these posts or do you just cut and paste the same thing you have been writing for 5 years? 
    Posted by Icon11


    just imagine if things had changed in the last 5 years.......
     
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    Just imagine if things had changed in the last five years?

    Well, you don't have to imagine.

    Rondo's gone from 3.8 apg to 5.1 to 8.2 to 9.8 to this season's 14.

    He's been All-Defensive the last two years, was an all-star last year and is a lock to be one this year.  In the process he 's emerged as a team leader.

    Things have changed for Rondo.  They have not for The Dudder.
     
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    Posted by TheDUDDER


    That isn't my point.  You write basically the same post over and over.  Sometimes you write the same post multiple times in the same thread. 

     
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    Well, I was at a bar and had to leave before the halftime. Then I read on the news about what rondo did tonight. He proved me wrong for sure!
    Posted by celticsfanmx


    I think you are in need of some more detail to perceive. It was clear to me that Rondo was hurting at the begining of that game. I don't know what happened but he went to the bench and when he came back he was great although he was still hurting so much he couldn't jump.

    As for what Nate did when Rondo was on the bench. .....nothing.
     
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    In Response to Re: Celtics are better with Nate at the point : well, i'm talking about creating a plan to mitigate the disaster that happens when our rondo goes into the toilet, as he did in the lakers series last year.  if you want to credit rondo with winning the chamionship in 2008, which i think is questionable when compared to how much heavy lifting pierce and garnett did (and allen), then you have to give him responsibility when he po0ps the sheets too. last year in the lakers series we stopped doing well pretty much as soon as rondo went into his woeful cocoon of poor shooting.  without an aggressive rondo we stank.  so we need to groom nate so we have something reliable to go to if this happens again. these are merely the tribulations of having a primary point guard who is not a sound scoring threat from the outside and is a bad free throw shooter.  at some point, that IS GOING TO HURT YOU, so you had better create an EMERGENCY PLAN, and given proper grooming and time to practice the role, nate COULD step in.  he may not succeed at that role, but the least we can do is go with the best chance to succeed given what's on our roster.  that's all.
    Posted by aciemvp


    What???!!! We stank last year against the Lakers?  What series were you watching?

    We came very close to winning a series when Lakers had
    1) Home court advantage
    2) Exhuastion advantage (we were beat up going up against the NBA's biggest poster boys in each of the previous series...Kobe went to basically no one)
    3) KG was playing on one-leg
    4) We lost arguably the top 3 low post defender in the league (Perk)
    5)  the refs were definitely on Kobe's side (compared to our stars)

    Even then, we were able to go up 3-2 in the series and had not one but two opportunites to win it all.

    None of it could hardly we characterised by the word "STANK."

    You have a knack for misrepresenting facts.

    Our offense wasn't as strong last year in the crunch time because Rondo couldn't score with confidence, and Perk has no offensive game.  This year, with the addition of Shaq, and Jermaine and with the strides Baby has made on his offensive game, we will be okay with Rondo in the 4th in the crunch time.

    Why not let Rondo prove himself again.  Although, thats what he has done all his career and people are still on his back.  Get used to the fact that he is a premier PG despite poor shooting. 
     
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    Rondo is redefining the PG role.  Actually when the big 3 is gone, he will be able to set Bradley, Erdan, 'Gody, BBD and Perk up for easy shots.  Erdan and Bradley will continue to improve this year as well as in the future.  'Gody will be a good 6th man.  Rondo will be dropping dimes like this well into the post BIG 3 era.
     
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    Excuse me. Has anyone thought of the word "assists"? On a team full of scoring options, Nate had six today against the Nets. Rondo's assists are regularly over ten a game...sometimes way over. Rondo has the eye for the open teammate and the passing skills to get the ball to him in position where he can score immediately. 
     
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    This is one of the stupidest threads ever on this BB.  Are you kidding?  Let's hope you never find out how we do with Nate starting at point for the season.  There is no comparison.  How can we ever match up to top teams night in and night out without our secret weapon Rondo.  With Nate the Celtics will be lucky to be a fifty win team. In the playoffs we would not even get to the finals.  With Rondo starting and Nate backing up and playing with the second unit we are a sixty plus win team and more importantly a world champion at the end of the playoffs.

    Ask the four hall a famers who they want at point guard the rest of the season. It will be 4 to 0 in favor of Rondo. And by the way Rondo will be a hall of famer before he is through.  Nate won't.
     
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    great post! i think we have to start seriously stop thinking of rondo as some kind of sacred cow. i like rondo and he clearly should be starting and getting MOST of the point guard minutes. the problem with rondo is that he is the most flawed superstar point guard in HISTORY. those flaws get m magnified in the 4th quarter esp in the last 3-5 minutes with his lack of free throw and jump shoting efficiency and the innate fear he has of driving to the hoop late in games due to his fear of having to actually go to the line. he is abysmal.. period! with all his greatness, rondo can not be considered the best with guys like rose and williams and paul around simply because his lack of shooting efficiency puts the celtics at a major detriment late in games. at key points late, you want a point guard who commands respect from the defense, who can make the other team pay for putting you on the line and can make it easier for the one on one players and plays. rondo's game diminishes at the most crucial point of the game. i agree that nate should not play more than 20 minutes on most nights; however, those minutes should come in the last 5 minutes of most close games.... had nate been on the floor in the 4th quarter of lakers final, we WIN!

    rondo has strengths and greatness but he has major flaws that should be ignored. again and again, we all admit the 4th quarter is a problem, yet keep ignoring the player who is the biggest 4th quarter "cancer" on the team, if not the league! again, great post for acknowledging the obvious in all of our collective consciences!
     
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    great post! i think we have to start seriously stop thinking of rondo as some kind of sacred cow. i like rondo and he clearly should be starting and getting MOST of the point guard minutes. the problem with rondo is that he is the most flawed superstar point guard in HISTORY. those flaws get m magnified in the 4th quarter esp in the last 3-5 minutes with his lack of free throw and jump shoting efficiency and the innate fear he has of driving to the hoop late in games due to his fear of having to actually go to the line. he is abysmal.. period! with all his greatness, rondo can not be considered the best with guys like rose and williams and paul around simply because his lack of shooting efficiency puts the celtics at a major detriment late in games. at key points late, you want a point guard who commands respect from the defense, who can make the other team pay for putting you on the line and can make it easier for the one on one players and plays. rondo's game diminishes at the most crucial point of the game. i agree that nate should not play more than 20 minutes on most nights; however, those minutes should come in the last 5 minutes of most close games.... had nate been on the floor in the 4th quarter of lakers final, we WIN! rondo has strengths and greatness but he has major flaws that should be ignored. again and again, we all admit the 4th quarter is a problem, yet keep ignoring the player who is the biggest 4th quarter "cancer" on the team, if not the league! again, great post for acknowledging the obvious in all of our collective consciences!
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    In Response to Re: Celtics are better with Nate at the point : I think we found out today how we would do with Nate starting at the point. I like Bradley as a backup as well.
    Posted by Kirk6


    I thoroughly enjoyed watching Nate play full throated, fearless, pedal to the metal, monsterous  PG today. Granted it was only the Nets but Nate s-t-r-e-t-c-h-e-d the floor and gave our 4 HOFers a chance to get most any shot they wanted any time they wanted... one on one. Righteous!

    No sagging defense or doubling. Everyone was played straight up and everything came easy. No psychodrama at the point today. No 2nd half letdown. Nate was down right manly!

    He played great defense too.

    Talking about great D.....how about Avery Bradley!!! Now he's a  lock down stopper.

    Great fun today.

    Pud 
     
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    Nate played very well.  He is a very talented player.  I was actually surprised he came back for short money to be a back up.

    With that said instead of arguing about whether he should start over Rondo people should be ecstatic that the Celtics have such an incredibly talented guy coming off the bench and to fill in when Rondo gets hurt.  I posted this earlier in this thread but Nate wasn't even a regular starter on the Knicks.  He has only started about 65 games in his whole career.  His best role is to come in and provide energy and shoot three's.  I do agree that he could get more minutes though.
     
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    In Response to Re: Celtics are better with Nate at the point : I thoroughly enjoyed watching Nate play full throated, fearless, pedal to the metal, monsterous  PG today. Granted it was only the Nets but Nate s-t-r-e-t-c-h-e-d the floor and gave our 4 HOFers a chance to get most any shot they wanted any time they wanted... one on one. Righteous ! No sagging defense or doubling. Everyone was played straight up and everything came easy. No psychodrama at the point today. No 2nd half letdown. Nate was down right manly ! He played great defense too. Talking about great D.....how about Avery Bradley!!! Now he's a  lock down stopper. Great fun today. Pud 
    Posted by puddinpuddin


    Good points you just made but its a good problem we have now.  Rondo is the man though  and his J is coming along but not as smooth as Kryptonate.  We have some good options now and wait til D West comes back. Celltics are looking good lately and even Maequis is getting aggresive in scoring about time
     
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    Be thankful you can dream about Nate being at the point and that it won't happen unless Rondo goes down.  I love having Nate backing up, but since I want them to win a title I know that cannot happen without Rondo.  Give Rondo, his due do you think the starters would like to see Nate starting at the point?  Please think about this and answer it truthfully.  
     
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    Be thankful you can dream about Nate being at the point and that it won't happen unless Rondo goes down.  I love having Nate backing up, but since I want them to win a title I know that cannot happen without Rondo.  Give Rondo, his due do you think the starters would like to see Nate starting at the point?  Please think about this and answer it truthfully.  
    Posted by concord27


    No, and neither would I. I like having my point guard averaging 14 assists per game.
     
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    this thread makes me think about when Walker was playing point forward and there wasn't even one quality PG never mind 2, and an OK Rookie sitting on the bench, with Daniels also able to fill the role time to time.  Just a discussion about which PG should start is such a good problem to have ... lol
     
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    this thread makes me think about when Walker was playing point forward and there wasn't even one quality PG never mind 2, and an OK Rookie sitting on the bench, with Daniels also able to fill the role time to time.  Just a discussion about which PG should start is such a good problem to have ... lol
    Posted by jeezem


    Yes but just to insinuate that Robinson should start and play in front of Rondo shows lack of basketball knowledge.  Hillariously funny.  I can't believe this thread is still going. If some of these posters were coaches we would have a revolving door at positions on the team.  Flavor of the day.  We would set a record for starting lineup changes.
     
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    Nate is good with the starters as they all need to be respected as a scoring threat.. that affords Nate more opportunities himself. Unlike Rondo, who defenses slack off of, they cant with Nate. So double teaming any of our starters creates a huge problem.

    That advantage Nate gives us is outweighed by what Rondo brings to the table.. Rondo is definitely the starter..  I like Nate playing with the starters for at least some minutes per game.. changes look of team dramatically... and I like Nate late in the game, in close games.  Dont get angry but our offense usually stagnates when its crunch time and defenses lock in.. Rondo sometimes is a liability with both his shooting and from the line.

    Also, with all the talk here about Rondos defense... I cant agree. Rondo is too easily picked off, always going under and many times just letting his player go so he can try a swipe from behind. Watch Nate play defense, hes hard to pick off.. he fights through them, over the top.. and if he does get behind, hes fast to recover.

    Good problem to have 2 guys like this. Hope Doc uses them correctly. I dont get why Rondo keeps putting in big minutes while his hamstring and foot still a problem.. Perfect time to let Nate take more of those minutes... Now Rondo misses a game cause hes not healed,, cant mess with hamstrings.. what are the C's thinking about?? Dumb if you ask me. Sit him for a week if need be,
     
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    Robinson had 21 points, six rebounds and six assists and we won by 25. When he plays the point, we have no weaknesses. When Rondo plays the point, his man ignores him in the fourth quarter and our offense stagnates. That's the problem. And I like Bradley as the backup a lot better than Delonte West. West should play at the shooting guard position.
    Posted by Kirk6


    The problem that we have when someone other that Rondo plays the point is that Rondo doesn't get his numbers.

    And for those who put Rondo's numbers above the Celtics  winning, that becomes a real problem... at least for them.

    Pud
     
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    Seriously, I can't believe this is being debated. Rondo was easily the team's MVP last season. No way they even sniff the Finals without him.
    Nearly every coach and analyst raves about Rondo's ability to control the game at 6-1. The Celtics are the only team in the NBA shooting better than 50 percent from the field. You think this would happen without a first-rate distributor?
    He's averaging 11 points and 14 assists a game, which means he's has a hand in 39 points a game. And what is most important, we have the best record in the Eastern.
    I love Nate Robinson, but I love him in his current role.
     
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    Seriously, I can't believe this is being debated. Rondo was easily the team's MVP last season. No way they even sniff the Finals without him. Nearly every coach and analyst raves about Rondo's ability to control the game at 6-1. The Celtics are the only team in the NBA shooting better than 50 percent from the field. You think this would happen without a first-rate distributor? He's averaging 11 points and 14 assists a game, which means he's has a hand in 39 points a game. And what is most important, we have the best record in the Eastern. I love Nate Robinson, but I love him in his current role.
    Posted by LloydDobler


    Lloyd: For you, this debate is so one sided that you can't accept the fact that the debate even rages on. For me, Rondo alternates between being the C's MVP much of the time... but late in close games and at crunch time when I personally rate the real value of a PG.... his value to the team IMHO can drop off to near zero.

    That shouldn't be so hard for you to understand.

    You may not agree... but you should at least understand why the the debate rages on.

    Pud


     
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