Celtics head to playoffs as 8th seed

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    Celtics head to playoffs as 8th seed

    With the addition of Rondo, Zeller, and Smart the Boston Celtics have a much better team than last year.  Bradley , Green, Sullinger, Bass, Thornton and possibly Turner will provide a boost to the team.  That is 9 players that should make us better with their addition or improvement from last year.  KO and Young are question marks but could give us something.  Wallace is a proven vet who will get better when we start competing for a playoff spot.  That is 12 players ready to go; and a player from what is left over should make a positive showing.  We have a good young coach with experience in the NBA and we also have Tommy.  Get on the band wagon we are going to the playoffs.  (rude posters please refrain)

     
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    Last thing we want. Mid Limbo

     
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    Last thing we want. Mid Limbo

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    Last thing we want. Mid Limbo

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    + one million billion

    W're NOT making the playoffs...we are a team with no talent and little chance for improvement.

     
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    as we're not likely to go from last to first again, i'd be quite pleased to make an 8th seed playoff appearance next spring as a huge step in the direction we want to go. what - 8th seed playoff is by definition mid limbo? living there year in and out is one thing, passing through is quite another.

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    as we're not likely to go from last to first again, i'd be quite pleased to make an 8th seed playoff appearance next spring as a huge step in the direction we want to go. what - 8th seed playoff is by definition mid limbo? living there year in and out is one thing, passing through is quite another.

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    I agree with this statement.  But I am torn.  We have two picks next year, and I'd like at least one of them to be a good pick.............on the other hand, getting better should always be the goal.

     
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    as we're not likely to go from last to first again, i'd be quite pleased to make an 8th seed playoff appearance next spring as a huge step in the direction we want to go. what - 8th seed playoff is by definition mid limbo? living there year in and out is one thing, passing through is quite another.

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    I agree, teams that are always in the playoffs but not in contention are usually in that position not for lack of talent but lack of a stable organizational structure. 

    We have some decent talent, that with the right style and level of potential accomplished  we could be an eighth seed . I know we technically have 18 players on the pay role now but two are good as gone (Babb, Bogans),four are on the bubble ( Johnson,Pressey,Faverani, Anthony)  and another maybe wearing a different uni by November. We have a ton of what if's at this point but no definite answers. If half of of the what if's turn out positive we could be a decent team, if not, we could be worse than last year.

    Last year all our what if's turned out no. This season we have some of the same what if's but with new twists and some new what if's. ;

    Same old:

    Jeff Green, different season same question. JG is in a contract year and could be pushed for production and minutes from Evan Turner, Marcus Thorton and James Young at the 3 and Sully and OK at the 4. If JG pushes back and has a monster year he could make a big payday, if he folds into a shell he will be an MLE for the rest of his career.

    Avery Bradley, can he stay healthy? This is the first year AB isn't injured or recovering from surgery in his career. I think AB is an exceptional player and to me his health is the only question. AB is a player that regardless of what position you label him, should be on the court. The fact that he has refined his game despite his injuries says to me if he can come into this season having worked on his game he could have a breakout season.

    Rajon Rondo, is he able to lead a this group to over achieving or was it his surrounding cast that made him look good? Can he flourish in an more up tempo motion offense ? I'm a Rondo supporter and I give him a total pass on last season. RR is also in a contract year a has a lot of questions to answer for potential FA suitors. Has he regained his explosiveness ? Is he as good with an less experienced and accomplished supporting cast ? Can he show enough to lure another main piece here?  He has a lot to gain or lose this year.

    Sully and OK, will they reach their potential because of their high skill levels or will they be limited by their physical shortcomings ?

    New what if's:

    Marcus Thorton, will he be on the team opening day, where will he fit in ? Marcus is also entering a contract year and like Green and Evans is at a career deciding season, to fulfill his potential or be an MLE the rest of your career.

    Evan Turner, this his last chance to not only resurrect his career but to stay in the league. Turner is teetering on verge on being one of the biggest top draft  busts ever, he doesn't come up big this year he better learn another language.

    Tyler Zeller, can he quite his critics and become the player he was in college at this level or is he a annual 10th 11th player off the bench?

    Is this the team we're starting the season with? I haven't mention Brandon Bass and almost didn't mention Marcus Thorton, both may be moved before opening night.

    Are Smart and Young as good as they think? Smart has been so hyped up you'd think he was the #1 pick. Is it hype or talent? Every time I saw Young play last year I was impressed, if KU won he would've been MVP. I was surprised by the direction of him being picked not with his being picked. Young has smooth game and sneaky explosive athleticism and could the steal of the draft, or not.

    All the what if's turn out positive we'll be a competive team fighting for one of the last couple of spots and making the higher seed work to get by us. JG reacts positively to Turner pushing for minutes and Thorton pushing him for shots and finally realizes his potential. RR regains his explosiveness and shows he can excel in a faster more motion oriented offense and improves his FT% that would warrant a max deal. AB stays healthy and regains his unbelievable foot and hand speed and continues to improve his stroke. Turner finally gets it. Thorton realizes the are two parts of the game. Zeller, Sully and KO continue to adapt and improve. Smart is as good as advertised and Young is as good as I think he can be, we'll  be good enough to both make the playoffs and get better.

    If the what if's don't turn out and we start out slow expect a fire sale and watching our first and second year players a  seeing the majority of minutes.

     

     
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    Count me in the list of people wishing that this happens.  Yes, teams stuck in low playoff seed limbo just get stuck in molasses.  But they generally don't have the assets that the Celts do.  The Nets draft picks may turn out to be a real boon.  I would rather that Smart, Young, Sullinger and Olynyk compete, earn hard wins and develop hunger.  I will be ecstatic with the 8th seed.

     
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    Ainge wasn't willing to completely bottom out but he gave it a shot. No way he lets this team linger around the 8 spot. 


    He'll move Rondo, keep Green, and we'll be terrible. 


    You're confusing talent with the ability to win to some extent. Some of our guys are just too young to win yet - Green is a great example of a guy who will put up points (inconsistently) on a team that never seems to win. 


    Celts go back to lottery - which is fine by me - given the alternative of the eight seed.


    Getting swept in the first round is no fun. It's a seven game series in the first round so bad teams get smoked.


     


    The alternate scenario - get Kevin Love, re-sign Rondo, is off the table.


     


       

     
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    If the team were to get the eighth seed with Smart, KO, Sully, and Young starting and/or playing big minutes, and guys like Rondo, Bass, Green, Wallace, and Thornton were gone or deep on the bench then yes, I would view that as an overachieving team on their way up, and probably looking at greater future success. 

    But realistically if they are an eighth seed this season it will be because the young guys were probably glued to the bench and the older guys just played to their potential. But we already know what Rondo's ceiling is, we already know what Green's, Bass', and Wallace's ceilings are.  When that ceiling ends up being an eighth seed in the eastern conference, then they are done. Those guys aren't getting better over the next couple years, they are only going to get worse, and in the meantime the development AND VALUE of Smart, Young, Olynyk and Sully will be lessened from missing out on valuable game time minutes stuck on the bench. 

    Notice I didn't mention Bradley, Zeller, or Turner. This is because those guys are so average that you could switch them out with a hundred different players in the NBA and it would be a wash. They don't push the needle one way or the other. And they are still young enough that they could be paired with draft prospects, or vets.

    Personally I don't see any excitement in watching Rondo, Green, Bass, Wallace, and Thornton scratch and claw this team to a bottom seeding and another 16th or 17th draft pick. In that case there is no upward mobility trending for the Celtics any time soon.

     
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    Remember, if guys like sully, green and oly can get us some wins, it will increase their trade value which may be turned into draft pics.

     
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    Remember, if guys like sully, green and oly can get us some wins, it will increase their trade value which may be turned into draft pics.

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    Green's value is set. Everyone knows what and who he is. And imagine how much more value Sully, Olynyk, Smart, ect. could have after a season playing 30-35 minutes a game and maximizing their individual potential as opposed to being 2nd and 3rd string players behind Bass, Wallace, Bradley and Rondo on a 38 win 8th seed.  It's not even close.

    To maximize the value of the young guys on this team they need to play, and if they are playing big mins this team isn't making the playoffs. The decision to sacrifice development or wins must be made, because there is no young Durant, Lebron, or Duncan on this team that will step in as a 20 year old and win you games singlehandedly. 

     
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    WAS is the example we need to follow...................they have young starters and a vet bench.  They made the playoffs, and will be better in the future.

    Now, the issue is, do we want to make the playoffs THIS year, or keep building?  Is this the "vet" bench we want moving forward?

    I think both of those answers are NO, and DA will insure we get another lotto pick...........our Wall or Beal is out there, we just need to get him.

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    WAS is the example we need to follow...................they have young starters and a vet bench.  They made the playoffs, and will be better in the future.

    Now, the issue is, do we want to make the playoffs THIS year, or keep building?  Is this the "vet" bench we want moving forward?

    I think both of those answers are NO, and DA will insure we get another lotto pick...........our Wall or Beal is out there, we just need to get him.

    "Climb on my back, boys, and I'll take you home." - Cedric Maxwell

    "You show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser." - Red Auerbach

    "My mind is a raging torrent, flooded with rivulets of thought, cascading into a waterfall of creative alternatives." - Hedley Lamarr

    If no Bynum injury, no Gasol trade - last word!!

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    Exactly. We may already have our Wall in Marcus Smart, but like Wall, Smart will take a couple years before he is ready to lead a team into the playoffs.  Unlike Wall, Smart has a veteran former All-Star taking up his desired position as a starter. Wall got every opportunity to succeed and take his lumps on a team where he was definitely going to be the man. Smart, at the moment doesn't have those luxuries.

     
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    Exactly. We may already have our Wall in Marcus Smart, but like Wall, Smart will take a couple years before he is ready to lead a team into the playoffs.  Unlike Wall, Smart has a veteran former All-Star taking up his desired position as a starter. Wall got every opportunity to succeed and take his lumps on a team where he was definitely going to be the man. Smart, at the moment doesn't have those luxuries.

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    Do you think that having to fight for your position and minutes is bad?  It may not be.  If Marcus Smart is truly a super star potential then let him go get it.  Let him build the hunger.  Stars and leaders in the league do not get things handed to them.  They compete to get there.  Kevin Johnson played  behind Mark Price.  Kobe Bryant played behind Eddie Jones.

    Sully and Olynyk will be the key to this year.  How much can they raise their game?  Smart and Young will likely struggle and will see limited minutes.  Rondo might revive Turner's career.  The believe that Celts will not mind the 8th seed.  Otherwise, Turner's signing would be a very head scratching move.

     
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    Exactly. We may already have our Wall in Marcus Smart, but like Wall, Smart will take a couple years before he is ready to lead a team into the playoffs.  Unlike Wall, Smart has a veteran former All-Star taking up his desired position as a starter. Wall got every opportunity to succeed and take his lumps on a team where he was definitely going to be the man. Smart, at the moment doesn't have those luxuries.




    Do you think that having to fight for your position and minutes is bad?  It may not be.  If Marcus Smart is truly a super star potential then let him go get it.  Let him build the hunger.  Stars and leaders in the league do not get things handed to them.  They compete to get there.  Kevin Johnson played  behind Mark Price.  Kobe Bryant played behind Eddie Jones.


    Sully and Olynyk will be the key to this year.  How much can they raise their game?  Smart and Young will likely struggle and will see limited minutes.  Rondo might revive Turner's career.  The believe that Celts will not mind the 8th seed.  Otherwise, Turner's signing would be a very head scratching move.


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    No matter how you want to SPIN it, Marcus Smart starting and playing 28+ mins a game is better for his development, confidence, and value than playing 18 mins in a bench role.

     
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    Exactly. We may already have our Wall in Marcus Smart, but like Wall, Smart will take a couple years before he is ready to lead a team into the playoffs.  Unlike Wall, Smart has a veteran former All-Star taking up his desired position as a starter. Wall got every opportunity to succeed and take his lumps on a team where he was definitely going to be the man. Smart, at the moment doesn't have those luxuries.

     

     

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    Do you think that having to fight for your position and minutes is bad?  It may not be.  If Marcus Smart is truly a super star potential then let him go get it.  Let him build the hunger.  Stars and leaders in the league do not get things handed to them.  They compete to get there.  Kevin Johnson played  behind Mark Price.  Kobe Bryant played behind Eddie Jones.

     

     

    Sully and Olynyk will be the key to this year.  How much can they raise their game?  Smart and Young will likely struggle and will see limited minutes.  Rondo might revive Turner's career.  The believe that Celts will not mind the 8th seed.  Otherwise, Turner's signing would be a very head scratching move.

     

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    No matter how you want to SPIN it, Marcus Smart starting and playing 28+ mins a game is better for his development, confidence, and value than playing 18 mins in a bench role.

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    Smart plays killer D...the "other" PG does not...not anymore.....this discussion is OVAHHH!

     
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    Exactly. We may already have our Wall in Marcus Smart, but like Wall, Smart will take a couple years before he is ready to lead a team into the playoffs.  Unlike Wall, Smart has a veteran former All-Star taking up his desired position as a starter. Wall got every opportunity to succeed and take his lumps on a team where he was definitely going to be the man. Smart, at the moment doesn't have those luxuries.

     

     

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    Do you think that having to fight for your position and minutes is bad?  It may not be.  If Marcus Smart is truly a super star potential then let him go get it.  Let him build the hunger.  Stars and leaders in the league do not get things handed to them.  They compete to get there.  Kevin Johnson played  behind Mark Price.  Kobe Bryant played behind Eddie Jones.

     

     

    Sully and Olynyk will be the key to this year.  How much can they raise their game?  Smart and Young will likely struggle and will see limited minutes.  Rondo might revive Turner's career.  The believe that Celts will not mind the 8th seed.  Otherwise, Turner's signing would be a very head scratching move.

     

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    No matter how you want to SPIN it, Marcus Smart starting and playing 28+ mins a game is better for his development, confidence, and value than playing 18 mins in a bench role.

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    There is no SPIN here.  We differ in that I have less rigid opinions/assessment of Celtics options.  Hence I don't get this, and I will use hyperbole here, "Rondo MUST be traded at any cost" position.  As you have said before, we can agree to disagree.  Just wanted to put forth my reasoning.

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    Exactly. We may already have our Wall in Marcus Smart, but like Wall, Smart will take a couple years before he is ready to lead a team into the playoffs.  Unlike Wall, Smart has a veteran former All-Star taking up his desired position as a starter. Wall got every opportunity to succeed and take his lumps on a team where he was definitely going to be the man. Smart, at the moment doesn't have those luxuries.

     

     

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    Do you think that having to fight for your position and minutes is bad?  It may not be.  If Marcus Smart is truly a super star potential then let him go get it.  Let him build the hunger.  Stars and leaders in the league do not get things handed to them.  They compete to get there.  Kevin Johnson played  behind Mark Price.  Kobe Bryant played behind Eddie Jones.

     

     

    Sully and Olynyk will be the key to this year.  How much can they raise their game?  Smart and Young will likely struggle and will see limited minutes.  Rondo might revive Turner's career.  The believe that Celts will not mind the 8th seed.  Otherwise, Turner's signing would be a very head scratching move.

     

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    No matter how you want to SPIN it, Marcus Smart starting and playing 28+ mins a game is better for his development, confidence, and value than playing 18 mins in a bench role.

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    There is no SPIN here.  We differ in that I have less rigid opinions/assessment of Celtics options.  Hence I don't get this, and I will use hyperbole here, "Rondo MUST be traded at any cost" position.  As you have said before, we can agree to disagree.  Just wanted to put forth my reasoning.

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    I don't see your position as less rigid, just an opposite take on what will happen.  I don't think I hate Rondo, I am just trying to sensibly think what would be best for the Celtics long term and try to reason out what Ainge would do.  Smart needs playing time to develop and he most likely is the long term PG while Rondo age/window is not right for this young team, we are in rebuilding mode, no big priority to get wins next year, Rondo is going to cost a lot of money and his trading value is less and less as the FA approaches.  Ainge has proven to be a very shrewd with very little attachments to players in the past.  The logic that follows is very simple.

     
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    Exactly. We may already have our Wall in Marcus Smart, but like Wall, Smart will take a couple years before he is ready to lead a team into the playoffs.  Unlike Wall, Smart has a veteran former All-Star taking up his desired position as a starter. Wall got every opportunity to succeed and take his lumps on a team where he was definitely going to be the man. Smart, at the moment doesn't have those luxuries.

     

     

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    Do you think that having to fight for your position and minutes is bad?  It may not be.  If Marcus Smart is truly a super star potential then let him go get it.  Let him build the hunger.  Stars and leaders in the league do not get things handed to them.  They compete to get there.  Kevin Johnson played  behind Mark Price.  Kobe Bryant played behind Eddie Jones.

     

     

    Sully and Olynyk will be the key to this year.  How much can they raise their game?  Smart and Young will likely struggle and will see limited minutes.  Rondo might revive Turner's career.  The believe that Celts will not mind the 8th seed.  Otherwise, Turner's signing would be a very head scratching move.

     

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    No matter how you want to SPIN it, Marcus Smart starting and playing 28+ mins a game is better for his development, confidence, and value than playing 18 mins in a bench role.

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    There is no SPIN here.  We differ in that I have less rigid opinions/assessment of Celtics options.  Hence I don't get this, and I will use hyperbole here, "Rondo MUST be traded at any cost" position.  As you have said before, we can agree to disagree.  Just wanted to put forth my reasoning.

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    I don't see your position as less rigid, just an opposite take on what will happen.  I don't think I hate Rondo, I am just trying to sensibly think what would be best for the Celtics long term and try to reason out what Ainge would do.  Smart needs playing time to develop and he most likely is the long term PG while Rondo age/window is not right for this young team, we are in rebuilding mode, no big priority to get wins next year, Rondo is going to cost a lot of money and his trading value is less and less as the FA approaches.  Ainge has proven to be a very shrewd with very little attachments to players in the past.  The logic that follows is very simple.

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    Fair enough.  Just wanted to say that this was just a conversation.  Nothing more.

     
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    Looks like Rondo is on board for the first half of the reason, no reason if he is a good a some think, that we should not make the playoffs.  Unless the Rondo people say he is playing by himself, which he is not, he actually has a good team around him.

     
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    Re: Celtics head to playoffs as 8th seed

    Same was said last year.

    Some here said Celts will surprise people and win 41 games or 37 games last season.

    But when it was looking like the Celts were going to win more games than they should, Ainge traded Crawford and Lee.

    Celts then went from a 13-21 team and a shot a the 8th seed to a 25-57 team and in the hunt for a top 5 pick.

     

    There are teams that are desperate to make the playoffs, like the Charlotte Hornets.

    But the Celtics is not the Charlotte Hornets.

    The Boston Celtics and their long time fans will only be happy if the Celts are in the Finals.

     
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    The 8th seed is not worth it.

    You get some excitement for a week or two in late April.

    But in June, draft night, you'd wish your team tanked is picking #1 or #5.

     
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    Well, if its a choice between a top 10 pick and making the playoffs as #8, better to get the pick.  But if you're looking at picking 20 or making the playoffs, better to get the cash from the playoff series and get the experience.

    Remember too, the more success you have, the more trade value your players gain.

     

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