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    Celtics Most Likely Trading Partners On Draft Night: Charlotte @ #4 , Minnesota @ #9.......

    2013 Draft Lottery

    1. Cleveland Cavaliers
    2. Orlando Magic
    3. Washington Wizards
    4. Charlotte Bobcats
    5. Phoenix Suns
    6. New Orleans Pelicans
    7. Sacramento Kings
    8. Detroit Pistons
    9. Minnesota Timberwolves
    10. Portland Trail Blazers
    11. Philadelphia 76ers
    12. Toronto Raptors
    13. Dallas Mavericks
    14. Utah Jazz

    Charlotte has been rumored to want to get rid of their Lotto pick as they need a vet to go along with all the recent Lotto picks on their roster.....any combination of Avery Bradley, Brandon Bass, Fab Melo plus our #16 pick could get the Celtics the #4 pick.....

    Minnesota is going to need $$$ to pay Kevin Love , Pekovic & Ricky Rubio and with this draft considered unremarkable, they might be the perfect trading partner for the Celtics......especially since Dieng will never make it past Portland , Philly, Toronto, Dallas and Utah, all of whom will be looking for a big man to fill the void caused by epic bad luck (Oden, Bynum) and free agency exodus (Bosh, Tyson Chandler ,Al Jefferson) ....If the Celtics really want Dieng, they may have to move up to #9 to get him.....Minnesota has too many assets and would it be such a shocker if KG decided to end his career where it started ? With Kevin Love returning, Minnesota has a better roster than the Celtics  ! 

    I see the Celtics making a bold move to get either the #4 or #9 pick (or both !)

     

     

     
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    Very interesting.   I suppose it is possible that these scenarios could happen. 

     
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    I wouldn't be surprised if Danny does try to move up in the draft.  Not sure what it would take to make this happen. 

     
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    Dieng or that Shabazz kid???If Pierce and KG are both gone...

     
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    If they move up - Alex Len!

     
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    If they move up - Alex Len!




    No, big Maryland fan here. He should have stayed another year at MD. Not a great defender and didn't play a lot of minutes. Not a big banger like the Celtics need. Of course, there aren't many of those are there?

     
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    The BEST trading partner for Boston is Cleveland! 

    Celevland will draft Noel (C) and with Zeller as a capable quasi-starter, good backup, Vajero (contract up next year) is expendable.  Varejao is a perfect fit for the Celtics to start at Center. 

    Cleveland has 4 picks in the draft.  They need a SF but they need exprience = Pierce

    Celeveland needs a defensive stopper at SG to match with Irving = Bradley

    To Cleveland:  Pierce, Bradley

    To Boston: Varejao, Casspi (F) and Speights (PF) and 2nd round pick.  (Cleveland has wanted to move or buy out the contracts of both Casspi and Spieghts so this is a good opportunity for them to unload and the Celtics get some big men depth with a productive rebounding Center.

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    The Celtics will NOT move up in the draft for the following reasons.  1). The Celtics first priority is a big man and there isn't a big man in the draft, other than Noel (who Cleveland will keep) who can make an impact as a starter.  2). The Celtics can land a much needed scoring SG or PG/SG with #16 (or through #35+) and the talent is deep at this position. 4).  Don't see the Celtics drafting either a PF or SF since Sully and Jeff have that need covered and there are the bigger holes to fill.

    With the trade, Celtics can now draft a scoring SG with #16 and get another PG/SG insurance at #33 (Cleveland has #31 and #33 in the second round).  Any two of Crawford, Terry and Lee become expendable, as do Bass and Wilcox for additional trades. 

     

     

     
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    You could be right about Varejeo being traded.  If Cleveland does draft Noel they probably won't need Varejeo.  Varejeo would be a great addition to the Celtics. 

     
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    No.  Varejao, a strong rebounder, plays center. KG moves back to PF where he belongs, and shares minutes with Sully.  Given the likelihood of an injury to one of them during the season, Spieghts or Bass (one could be traded but doesn't hurt to have too many bigs) comes off the bench if necessary.  Green requires big minutes and would start in front of PP next season anyway as our new go-to player.  Casspi as SF backup or one of two top 33 picks in my scenario.  

    BTW. your proposed trade giving junk for Varejoa and a first round pick is not even close to almost realistic.  Varejao is going to demand and get return value from some team.  

     
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    Re: Celtics Most Likely Trading Partners On Draft Night: Charlotte @ #4 , Minnesota @ #9.......

    In response to PHX85014's comment:

    2013 Draft Lottery

    1. Cleveland Cavaliers
    2. Orlando Magic
    3. Washington Wizards
    4. Charlotte Bobcats
    5. Phoenix Suns
    6. New Orleans Pelicans
    7. Sacramento Kings
    8. Detroit Pistons
    9. Minnesota Timberwolves
    10. Portland Trail Blazers
    11. Philadelphia 76ers
    12. Toronto Raptors
    13. Dallas Mavericks
    14. Utah Jazz

    Charlotte has been rumored to want to get rid of their Lotto pick as they need a vet to go along with all the recent Lotto picks on their roster.....any combination of Avery Bradley, Brandon Bass, Fab Melo plus our #16 pick could get the Celtics the #4 pick.....

    Minnesota is going to need $$$ to pay Kevin Love , Pekovic & Ricky Rubio and with this draft considered unremarkable, they might be the perfect trading partner for the Celtics......especially since Dieng will never make it past Portland , Philly, Toronto, Dallas and Utah, all of whom will be looking for a big man to fill the void caused by epic bad luck (Oden, Bynum) and free agency exodus (Bosh, Tyson Chandler ,Al Jefferson) ....If the Celtics really want Dieng, they may have to move up to #9 to get him.....Minnesota has too many assets and would it be such a shocker if KG decided to end his career where it started ? With Kevin Love returning, Minnesota has a better roster than the Celtics  ! 

    I see the Celtics making a bold move to get either the #4 or #9 pick (or both !)

     

     




    Thanks for starting a thread worth reading.  Don't see too many of them these days.

     
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    In response to Eldunker's comment:

     

    The BEST trading partner for Boston is Cleveland! 

    Celevland will draft Noel (C) and with Zeller as a capable quasi-starter, good backup, Vajero (contract up next year) is expendable.  Varejao is a perfect fit for the Celtics to start at Center. 

    Cleveland has 4 picks in the draft.  They need a SF but they need exprience = Pierce

    Celeveland needs a defensive stopper at SG to match with Irving = Bradley

    To Cleveland:  Pierce, Bradley

    To Boston: Varejao, Casspi (F) and Speights (PF) and 2nd round pick.  (Cleveland has wanted to move or buy out the contracts of both Casspi and Spieghts so this is a good opportunity for them to unload and the Celtics get some big men depth with a productive rebounding Center.

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    The Celtics will NOT move up in the draft for the following reasons.  1). The Celtics first priority is a big man and there isn't a big man in the draft, other than Noel (who Cleveland will keep) who can make an impact as a starter.  2). The Celtics can land a much needed scoring SG or PG/SG with #16 (or through #35+) and the talent is deep at this position. 4).  Don't see the Celtics drafting either a PF or SF since Sully and Jeff have that need covered and there are the bigger holes to fill.

    With the trade, Celtics can now draft a scoring SG with #16 and get another PG/SG insurance at #33 (Cleveland has #31 and #33 in the second round).  Any two of Crawford, Terry and Lee become expendable, as do Bass and Wilcox for additional trades. 

     

     

     



    Your trade doesn't work because Speights and Casspi can't be traded due to expired contracts.

     



    Works on RealGM trade analysis...  maybe you know more than they do?

     
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    No.  Varejao, a strong rebounder, plays center. KG moves back to PF where he belongs, and shares minutes with Sully.  Given the likelihood of an injury to one of them during the season, Spieghts or Bass (one could be traded but doesn't hurt to have too many bigs) comes off the bench if necessary.  Green requires big minutes and would start in front of PP next season anyway as our new go-to player.  Casspi as SF backup or one of two top 33 picks in my scenario.  

    BTW. your proposed trade giving junk for Varejoa and a first round pick is not even close to almost realistic.  Varejao is going to demand and get return value from some team.  

     



    No. If KG and Varejao are on the floor together KG will guard C's and Varejao PF's based on foot speed/atheltic ability at this point.

     

    Varejao's rebounding #'s are misleading and also don't make him a C simply b/c he's very good on the boards. Marc Gasol averages 8 boards a game. Zach Randolph 11. The last 3 seasons Varejao has averaged 8 defensive rebounds per 36 minutes. KG has averaged 8.4 defensive boards per 36 minutes.

    The difference is AV averaged a CRAZY 4.5 offensive rebounds (would he in our system though?). KG gets a pathetic 1.3 b/c he shoots 18 foot jumpers and runs back to set-up a top 10 defense.

    I said my trade idea was likely not enough for Varejao. But the premise of Pierce for him and Casspri is also silly.



    You can manipulate the math anyway you want, but 14.4 RPG THIS SEASON leads the NBA and includes 5.5 much needed ofernsive boards.  

    Maybe you misread. It was Perice AND Bradley for Varejoa. Casspi (and Spieghts are throw-ins  who Celeveland has been trying to unload (or will buy out) to make the numbers work.

    and lets just say we absolutely disagree about how he and Garnett would best be utilized positionally.  

    You seem desparate, so let me throw you a bone.  If you had a logical contrary issue, it would be Varejao's bad foot. He only p[layed in 25 games... 

     
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    If I was trading Pierce (and Bradley!) to the Cavs, I would want Tristan Thompson and pick 19. For starters, adding a 30 year old vet in Varejao means the C's would want to contend, but dumping their captain would imply they want to rebuild. Adding Pierce would mean the Cavs want to make the playoffs next year, dumping AV when likely pick Noel is 19, 206 lbs and rehabbing an ACL tear means they want to be back in the lotto.

    Having Zeller and Noel at C and Varejao and Speights (1 year left at 4.5m) at PF is a solid frontcourt for the playoff club Pierce and Varejao would need to be on together.

    Pierce would be backed up by Casspi (3.35m qualifying offer) or they can decline to extend him that and use one of their high second round picks for a backup SF. SG is Waiters, Bradley and (maybe) Ellington. PG is Irving and Waiters or Bradley backing him up.

    Thompson, pick 19 and Gee to Boston

    Pierce and Bradley to Cleveland




    Check this out -

    BUY the #13 pick from the Mavs

    Don't resign Pierce

    Trade KG to the Clips for Bledsoe and Jordan

    Sign and trade Rondo to Utah for Millsap and Burks

    Trade Bradley and the #16 pick to MN (looking to move down per hoopshype) for the #9 pick.

    At #9, take Len

    At #13, take Shabazz

     

    That would be a fun team to watch!!

     

     
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    For starters, KG isn't gonna get you Bledsoe and Jordon.  Maybe KG and PP.

    Also BrandLey and #16 is worth much more than a #9

    and there is no guarantee that Len and/or Shabazz will ever amount to anything.  

    Fun to think about, but this is equivilent to Russian Roulett with two bullets. 

     
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    For starters, KG isn't gonna get you Bledsoe and Jordon.  Maybe KG and PP.

    Also BrandLey and #16 is worth much more than a #9

    and there is no guarantee that Len and/or Shabazz will ever amount to anything.  

    Fun to think about, but this is equivilent to Russian Roulett with two bullets. 




    For starters, if Chris Paul wants KG, and that is the deal, it will happen.

    Fine, then BUY the #9 pick, too. ( I disagree with your opinion on Bradley, but whatever)

    There is no guarantee of anything........except, of course, that would be a fun team to watch

     
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    How did Cleveland end up with the # 1 pick again this year?  They are extremely lucky to be in this situation again.  I still believe that the worst team in the league should automatically end up with the # 1 pick. 

     
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    If I was trading Pierce (and Bradley!) to the Cavs, I would want Tristan Thompson and pick 19. For starters, adding a 30 year old vet in Varejao means the C's would want to contend, but dumping their captain would imply they want to rebuild. Adding Pierce would mean the Cavs want to make the playoffs next year, dumping AV when likely pick Noel is 19, 206 lbs and rehabbing an ACL tear means they want to be back in the lotto.

    Having Zeller and Noel at C and Varejao and Speights (1 year left at 4.5m) at PF is a solid frontcourt for the playoff club Pierce and Varejao would need to be on together.

    Pierce would be backed up by Casspi (3.35m qualifying offer) or they can decline to extend him that and use one of their high second round picks for a backup SF. SG is Waiters, Bradley and (maybe) Ellington. PG is Irving and Waiters or Bradley backing him up.

    Thompson, pick 19 and Gee to Boston

    Pierce and Bradley to Cleveland



    That is a non-starter.  Cleveland would have no motivation to move Thompson.  He is a young anchor, with up-side, along with Irving to build around for the future.  

    Varejao is NOT gonna start in front of Thompson at PF and he is too valuable to sit on the bench. He will be traded in the off-season (if Cleveland is concerned about his injury and wants to move him before he completely breaks down) or kept him till Feb trade deadline to start at Center until Noel is ready to step in, and then traded.  

     

    Also, Gee starts at SF.   They will upgrade SF (and SG) position via the trade and/or draft and both Pierce and Bradley would likely share minutes with the new pieces.   Casspi, who played only 11 MPG won't be a backup an will not be on the team regardless.  

     Noel (C);  Thompson (PF);  Draft/Trade - Pierce (SF);  Draft/Trade - Bradley (SG);  Irving (PG)

     

     
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    Re: Celtics Most Likely Trading Partners On Draft Night: Charlotte @ #4 , Minnesota @ #9.......

    Still a good thread.  I figured it would be contaminated by now.

     
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    Re: Celtics Most Likely Trading Partners On Draft Night: Charlotte @ #4 , Minnesota @ #9.......

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    I am still waiting for Phoenix to tell us if these are his own opinion or to provide us with a link.

    How on earth we'd get pick #4 from Charlotte (McLemore or Oladipo) is beyond me. Pick 16, Bradley and Melo? No way.




    I did read they don't want the pick.  Also read DAL and MN don't want theirs.  My idea is to buy them outright and package them to move up.

     
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    It's a great idea, but other than giving the Mavs a top 10 protected '14 1st rd pick for pick #13 I don't see a scenrio where we'd get it. I just don't see how any team in the modern era of sports can justify to a fanbase and the league that they 'sold' a lottery pick.

    And wouldn't there be 29 other teams lining up to buy it if it went on sale?

    Just too strange and unlikely




    I agree, but they have publically said they are clearing space for Howard.  I think the fans would forgive Donnie Nelson if he sold the pick, but got Howard.   What I don't understand is MN wanting to get rid of theirs. 

    Get the #13 pick

    Don't sign Pierce

    Trade KG to Clips for Bledsoe and Jordan

    Trade Rondo to Utah for Millsap ( they have no PG, and a bunch of young 4's and 5's).

    At 13 and 16 take Plumlee and Shabazz.

    Or move up to 9 and take Len!

     
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    It's a great idea, but other than giving the Mavs a top 10 protected '14 1st rd pick for pick #13 I don't see a scenrio where we'd get it. I just don't see how any team in the modern era of sports can justify to a fanbase and the league that they 'sold' a lottery pick.

    And wouldn't there be 29 other teams lining up to buy it if it went on sale?

    Just too strange and unlikely

     




    I agree, but they have publically said they are clearing space for Howard.  I think the fans would forgive Donnie Nelson if he sold the pick, but got Howard.   What I don't understand is MN wanting to get rid of theirs. 

     

    Get the #13 pick

    Don't sign Pierce

    Trade KG to Clips for Bledsoe and Jordan

    Trade Rondo to Utah for Millsap ( they have no PG, and a bunch of young 4's and 5's).

    At 13 and 16 take Plumlee and Shabazz.

    Or move up to 9 and take Len!

     



    Dallas will be able to get a 2014 first rd pick for pick #13. That is essentially 'selling' it. Moving into the future for a pick that might be worse (in a stronger draft though).

     

    Like I said, I'd trade a protected pick next year for Dallas's pick this year.

    I'd prefer to trade Pierce and get SOMETHING, not just let him walk.

    I'd prefer to trade Rondo for Big Al, he's worth a lot more than Millsap. Maybe Enes Kanter and pick #14 for Rondo and the Jazz keep Big Al.

    I like Plumlee more than Olynyk, but he's not the greatest FT, at 68% and 54% in his career at Duke. He's already 23 so not sure how much that will improve. Just thinking about this KG for Jordan/Bledsoe move we all think is likely if PP is gone. With DeAndre on the team, who can't hit Ft's, we need a C who can. Olynyk shot 78%. Either one of those guys at 16 would be nice.




    Well, I went with Millsap for two reasons:

    1.  I think Al gets more than 11 mill

    2.  I "traded" for Jordan.  No sense having both Jordan and Big Al.  As for your FT scenario, it's moot if we get Big Al..........and if we don't, we have Millsap, Sully  and/or Bass to shoot them at the end of games.

     
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    < I'd trade Pierce and Lee for Zeller, Gee and pick 19. >

    Agree.  In a heart beat!!

     
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