Celtics should go after McGrady

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    Celtics should go after McGrady

    The Celtics should go after Tracy McGrady.  He reportedly had a great workout yesterday with the Bulls.  The only problem was the post-workout interview.  He apparently talked like he wanted to be the starter and that made the Bulls pass on him.

    Then again, on the Bulls, Tracy SHOULD aspire to be the starter if they told him he would back up either Kyle Korver or Ronnie Brewer who will be the starting shooting guard.  With his scoring ability, I am sure he was excited to join the Bulls and (wink wink) accept the backup role.  No way should Korver or Brewer start over a "healthy" McGrady.

    But for the Celtics, he would know going in that he is, in no way, going to unseat Ray as the starter.  He'd have to accept that!  And he'd also have to know that he'd get major minutes and even some starts as the Celtics would rest Ray at some point during the season.

    And to think he'd be on a 2nd unit with Nate and Quis and Baby and JON.  If his workout was truly that great, it means that maybe he is physically ready to resume his career.  I think he'd be a great pickup for the Celtics as a backup.

    Also since the Bulls are out, he most likely will have to settle for the veteran's minimum.  We just have to convince him that it'd be better to come off the Celtics bench rather than the Heat bench.
     
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    I agree....if we can convince him for the VM....It would be most likely a one-year deal, and if he has a good year, then it would make him a very attractive free-agent next year and he could demand more money (and possibly even a starting job on another team).  This year, it would give him a chance to play for a championship.  But he would have to embrace the TEAM atmosphere and realize that he is not the man!

    If Sheed does retire, we could potentially use some of that money to boost T-Mac's contract, and maybe some of it to throw at someone else (Shaq or some other free-agent)
     
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    SavCeltic -- NO, NO, NO.  We cannot use any of Sheed's contract on McGrady.  But you're right, he'd have to accept the team concept.  Again, he probably does feel he could start in Chicago but not in Boston over Ray Allen.  I think he'd be more receptive to that notion.

    But he'd have to accept the vet minimum completely exclusive of Sheed's contract.  Then I'd say use Sheed's contract for that defensive specialist like Battier.  I also agree that we should go after Shaq but for McGrady, just the VM.

    If McGrady truly is healthy, he can be a valuable asset for the Celtics.  If he can give us 70 games and 20-25 effective minutes a game, he's worth it.

    He's reportedly has been thinking about the Bulls or accepting the VM to play in Miami.  For the VM, I sure hope he decides to check out Boston.
     
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    Yes, Petey, I have been on this for two weeks!!
    He should come here for the following reasons:

    1.  If he wants to revitalize his career, and I don't know this, then he needs PT.
    2.  He will not get it in MIA, as they have MeBron, MeWade and Miller.
    3.  Here, he can be 6th man, sub for RA AND PP.
    4. With him, we can rest RA and PP, maybe 20 games each, like SA does, and that way he gets 40 starts.

    All things equal, money-wise, this is where TMAC belongs.  And he has a good relationship with Doc and some of the guys (Nate, I believe).  Hope we here more about this in the next few days!!
     
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    Yes, Petey, I have been on this for two weeks!! He should come here for the following reasons: 1.  If he wants to revitalize his career, and I don't know this, then he needs PT. 2.  He will not get it in MIA, as they have MeBron, MeWade and Miller. 3.  Here, he can be 6th man, sub for RA AND PP. 4. With him, we can rest RA and PP, maybe 20 games each, like SA does, and that way he gets 40 starts. All things equal, money-wise, this is where TMAC belongs.  And he has a good relationship with Doc and some of the guys (Nate, I believe).  Hope we here more about this in the next few days!!
    Posted by BirdandCowens


    LarryandDave, I could not have said it better myself.  You hit the nail on the head and, from a business standpoint, there is just not much of a financial risk to it.
     
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    The article I read on TMAC said the Bulls had concerns about this health.  That is in addtion to the comments he made about wanting to take on a larger role.

    If he's not healthy he's not anywhere close to the TMAC of old and he's just the guy we saw the past 2 seasons.

    With all that being said, I think he could be useful 2nd teamer based on what we have now.  But that's not the role he wants, so I don't see it working out.  I think he wants to prove he can still be an all-star and eventually land one last big pay day.

     
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    The article I read on TMAC said the Bulls had concerns about this health.  That is in addtion to the comments he made about wanting to take on a larger role. If he's not healthy he's not anywhere close to the TMAC of old and he's just the guy we saw the past 2 seasons. With all that being said, I think he could be useful 2nd teamer based on what we have now.  But that's not the role he wants, so I don't see it working out.  I think he wants to prove he can still be an all-star and eventually land one last big pay day.
    Posted by greenpride32


    Yes, and right now the ONLY way to do that is to go out and prove it.......on a team like Boston.  He will have to swallow his pride for a year- one year.  After all, it's like he STOLE 23 mill last year from HOU and NYK.
     
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    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! He has zero left in the tank.
     
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    Guys there is a reason why the Bulls hesitate signing him. If they were really convinced then he would be here and I understand their motivation very well. I saw him last year  playing in 4 games when I was in New York and this guy runs from one three point line to the other. He is just too slow, seriously he isn't mobile. His conditioning isn't good and it seems like (one of the bulls motivation why not to take him) is that they say the same. 
     
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    I've been saying all along that Ainge should go after him. The Celtic's could do a sign and trade with N.Y for him. Why not use Sheed's contract for him? I would take a 2 year chance on him @ 6 million per season. If he's 75% of what he used to be, he would be worth it.
       
     
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    MichBelgium, according to the Bulls, they hesitated on him because he voiced an interest in becoming the starter and they are going to have Korver and Brewer battle for the shooting guard spot.  Looking at chicagotribune.com, its also reported that he shot the ball well but moved with no fluidity.

    Well, to be honest, for the vet minimum, I'll take shooting the ball well.  He can work to get in better shape and improve the fluidity.  Heck, it's the offseason.  Just think how much better his shot would be if he was in top shape and had that fluidity.  Then again, last year we had a guy who showed no fluidity and not a great shot either in Sheed so at least McGrady's got the shot.

    I just don't see anyone out there right now that we could possibly get for the minumum.  Also, ego-wise, McGrady will accept backing up Ray and even starting a few games when Ray rests rather than backing up Korver and Brewer.
     
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    Yep, I've been on the TMac to C's move for awhile too. I thought when Doc announced he was coming back, TMac was going to be one of his first calls.

    TMac should realize he'd be a great 6th man and resurrect his career. He also should know or someone should tell him he just isn't ready to start anymore. He could sign for a year with the C's build up his rep and then look for a bigger role next year somewhere or in Boston.
     
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    I really don't see the argument!  THE CELTICS ARE CONSIDERING BRINGING BACK EDDIE HOUSE!  The Celtics are desperate now.  We're grasping at straws here.  Eddie House?

    Enough said -- for the veteran's minimum, if we have a choice between McGrady and House, I'll take McGrady.  There is no wing available right now that the Celtics can acquire.  Josh Howard is recovering from knee surgery so that's a huge risk.  Who can we truly expect to get for Sheed's contract?

    I am not all that sure that Houston would even give up Battier.  Who knows?  I do know that we cannot continue to watch all the "available" free agent contributors who satisfy a Celtics need sign with other teams, even some at the veteran's minimum.

    If we sign someone like McGrady, we can still sign a Battier or someone of equal value with Sheed's contract.  However, if Houston does not make Battier available and Washington decides to re-sign Howard, then what??
     
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    At this point we already have House with Nate so I'm not sure if House is a good fit now. I'd take if we can't get anyone else but he wouldn't be on my radar right yet.

     
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    MichBelgium, according to the Bulls, they hesitated on him because he voiced an interest in becoming the starter and they are going to have Korver and Brewer battle for the shooting guard spot.  Looking at chicagotribune.com, its also reported that he shot the ball well but moved with no fluidity. Well, to be honest, for the vet minimum, I'll take shooting the ball well.  He can work to get in better shape and improve the fluidity.  Heck, it's the offseason.  Just think how much better his shot would be if he was in top shape and had that fluidity.  Then again, last year we had a guy who showed no fluidity and not a great shot either in Sheed so at least McGrady's got the shot. I just don't see anyone out there right now that we could possibly get for the minumum.  Also, ego-wise, McGrady will accept backing up Ray and even starting a few games when Ray rests rather than backing up Korver and Brewer.
    Posted by Petey62

    Since he was in Ny his condition was poor and to me it seems like it is still now. He thinks he still has it but he doesn't seem to feel the  need of working on it. He didn't live up his expectations. But I don't entirly blame him because he had troubled injuries... It's just that I want to read statements which say he is giving everything (pushing his body and conditioning) to make it back to the NBA. I bet his mindset, knowledge and eager is right where it should be just the conditioning. He had time from the day he signed in NY.... no positive reactions this far. Finley could still shoot the ball well even he was not mobile at all. TMAc might have a bit better condition but he isn't far off. Just his shooting won't do.


    But I must agree for the Minimum I would definitly support this deal ! You can't do wrong by taking that gamble... He might show flashes.

     
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    At this point we already have House with Nate so I'm not sure if House is a good fit now. I'd take if we can't get anyone else but he wouldn't be on my radar right yet.
    Posted by BiasLewis

    House signed yet?
     
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    I would take Mcgrady in a second. He can take over a game at any given time. Just has to stay healthy
     
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    Simply put..................NO on McGrady, as good as his offense is capable of being at times, he defense is X amount of times WORSE. His defensive ability more than negates anything he can bring to the table.
     
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    On hoopshype, its reported that the Bulls still have interest in McGrady but they want some assurances that he'd accept any role that helps the team win and he'd sign a non-guaranteed contract.  So, it seems like he ISN'T exactly in such bad physical condition as previously thought.

    Funny how things (bad things) get out there for the media to report.  Maybe that's a tactic to keep other teams from rushing in.  Just think what would have happened had the Bulls reported that McGrady showed an exceptional shooting touch and above average conditioning.  That would have made teams come out to woodwork with interest.

    So they say he wasn't as fluid or his conditioning was not where it should be.  Yeah right, but then the next day you are still considering him.  This guy DOES have something left in the tank.

    If we can get him, get him and lock him up for a season.  His success this season will be our success.

     
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    McGrady has expressed desire to be a starter wherever he goes.  If he comes to Boston I see nothing but a locker room problem and drama.  He isn't worth the headache.  Remember guys, this isn't the T-Mac that played for Orlando or the T-Mac that had the one good year in Houston.  This guy is a slacker on defense, a inconsistent shooter, and a head case.  PASS.
     
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    Driscoll, McGrady told reporters after meeting with the Bulls that he felt he could compete for the starting job.  He said that to reporters!  He appeared to accept the Bulls plan that he'd come off the bench but when interviewed after the meeting, he talked about competing for the starting job.

    He hasn't "expressed a desire to be a starter wherever he goes".  That is NOT true.  He considered Miami and said he'd come off the bench.  So, let's give the guy the benefit of the doubt.  But think about it, for the Bulls, if Korver and Brewer are the starters at SG, why wouldn't McGrady think he could start over them?

    I think you're missing the point when you say "this isn't the TMac of Orlando".  Driscoll, we aren't looking to sign that TMac.  If today's TMac is 80% of the old TMac, he would be an asset at the vet min for a season.

    You talk about inconsistent shooting all you want.  Ray Allen was the definition of inconsistent shooting last season but who do you want with the ball in his hands with 1 second left on the clock -- RAY ALLEN.  Inconsistent shooting is synonomous with guys like Ray and TMac.  They do it so well, it's believed it should go in every time and when it doesn't, they are inconsistent.

    Everybody is a slacker on defense until they join the Celtics.  Ray was a slacker on defense but now he plays Kobe and Wade as tough as anyone.  Nate was a slacker but he played well in the playoffs.  Rondo is the biggest slacker on defense of ANY Celtic, would you agree?

    Let's not just make up unfounded, invalid reasons for not bringing TMac in, if we could.  At 80% of what he was, he'd be a valuable asset for the Celtics coming off the bench.  No doubt.
     
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    Driscoll, McGrady told reporters after meeting with the Bulls that he felt he could compete for the starting job.  He said that to reporters!  He  appeared to accept the Bulls plan that he'd come off the bench but when interviewed after the meeting, he talked about competing for the starting job. He hasn't " expressed a desire to be a starter wherever he goes ".  That is NOT true.  He considered Miami and said he'd come off the bench.  So, let's give the guy the benefit of the doubt.  But think about it, for the Bulls, if Korver and Brewer are the starters at SG, why wouldn't McGrady think he could start over them? I think you're missing the point when you say " this isn't the TMac of Orlando ".  Driscoll, we aren't looking to sign that TMac.  If today's TMac is 80% of the old TMac, he would be an asset at the vet min for a season. You talk about inconsistent shooting all you want.  Ray Allen was the definition of inconsistent shooting last season but who do you want with the ball in his hands with 1 second left on the clock -- RAY ALLEN.  Inconsistent shooting is synonomous with guys like Ray and TMac.  They do it so well, it's believed it should go in every time and when it doesn't, they are inconsistent. Everybody is a slacker on defense until they join the Celtics.  Ray was a slacker on defense but now he plays Kobe and Wade as tough as anyone.  Nate was a slacker but he played well in the playoffs.  Rondo is the biggest slacker on defense of ANY Celtic, would you agree? Let's not just make up unfounded, invalid reasons for not bringing TMac in, if we could.  At 80% of what he was, he'd be a valuable asset for the Celtics coming off the bench.  No doubt.
    Posted by Petey62


    Whoa. 

    Unfounded, invalid reasons?  Let's talk about his ridiculous falling out in Houston and his god awful play for the NYK.  Two completely valid reasons for not bringing him in.  And yes, a T-Mac at 80% would be great, but he's nowhere near that. 

    I just don't see him fitting into the C's system.  But if he does sign, I hope he proves me wrong.


     
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    In Response to Re: Celtics should go after McGrady : Whoa.  Unfounded, invalid reasons?  Let's talk about his ridiculous falling out in Houston and his god awful play for the NYK.  Two completely valid reasons for not bringing him in.  And yes, a T-Mac at 80% would be great, but he's nowhere near that.  I just don't see him fitting into the C's system.  But if he does sign, I hope he proves me wrong.
    Posted by Driscoll92587


    I's wit U on dis.

    Not a McCready fan fer alla da above reasons peoples smarter den me listed.

    But ifin he comes an plays well, den alls well.
     
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    Driscoll, McGrady told reporters after meeting with the Bulls that he felt he could compete for the starting job.  He said that to reporters!  He  appeared to accept the Bulls plan that he'd come off the bench but when interviewed after the meeting, he talked about competing for the starting job. He hasn't " expressed a desire to be a starter wherever he goes ".  That is NOT true.  He considered Miami and said he'd come off the bench.  So, let's give the guy the benefit of the doubt.  But think about it, for the Bulls, if Korver and Brewer are the starters at SG, why wouldn't McGrady think he could start over them? I think you're missing the point when you say " this isn't the TMac of Orlando ".  Driscoll, we aren't looking to sign that TMac.  If today's TMac is 80% of the old TMac, he would be an asset at the vet min for a season. You talk about inconsistent shooting all you want.  Ray Allen was the definition of inconsistent shooting last season but who do you want with the ball in his hands with 1 second left on the clock -- RAY ALLEN.  Inconsistent shooting is synonomous with guys like Ray and TMac.  They do it so well, it's believed it should go in every time and when it doesn't, they are inconsistent. Everybody is a slacker on defense until they join the Celtics.  Ray was a slacker on defense but now he plays Kobe and Wade as tough as anyone.  Nate was a slacker but he played well in the playoffs.  Rondo is the biggest slacker on defense of ANY Celtic, would you agree? Let's not just make up unfounded, invalid reasons for not bringing TMac in, if we could.  At 80% of what he was, he'd be a valuable asset for the Celtics coming off the bench.  No doubt.
    Posted by Petey62


    We need TMAC about as much as we need Shaq.  Yes, bring them both on board.  We would LOVE 80% of Tracy McGrady and 80% of the Artist Formerly Known as Shaq.  TMAC and Shaq are gone, if they were here, they would have signed already.  These two would be the final pieces for our bench.  We wouldn't even need Fernandez:
    Rondo 36 - Nate 12
    Allen 32 - TMAC 8 Daniels 8
    Pierce 32 TMAC 16 - - he would also start at the 2/3 when we rest RA and PP!
    KG - 32 BBD - 16
    JON - 24  Shaq 24

    bench of Bradley and Harangody
     
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    I am still for the C's signing McGrady, however I spoke to soon and without much thought when I wrote to do a sign and trade with N.Y for Sheeds contract. The NBA minumum is a safer idea.
     
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