Celts Still Talking Rondo Trade?
posted at 12/22/2011 9:00 AM EST
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http://www.celticsblog.com/2011/12/22/2654701/donny-marshall-celtics-still-talking-rondo-trades
Donny Marshall mentioned Rondo could end up somewhere in the west, somewhere warm. I hope it's not for Steve Nash. If the Celts swapped Rondo for Nash the Celts would become a very old team!
Right now Rondo is the most athletic player on the Celts. If you replace him with Nash the Celts would strictly be a half-court team. While the Big 3 and Nash would match up well with the Knicks, they would not stand a chance against the Heat and the Bulls.
If the Celts do really want to trade Rondo, I hope it's for a big man.
Right now Pau Gasol is available. A Rondo and JO for Pau Gasol trade works. KG and Pau on the same team, ugh!
If the Lakers and their fans think they don't need a PG, who are they kidding?
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posted at 12/22/2011 9:20 AM EST
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I don't see it being the Suns. It would definitely not be a straight up trade for Nash and there's nobody else there the C's could really use, unless Danny sees something in the lesser Lopez at C. As for the Lakers, If Rondo goes there, he definitely helps them. They are weak at PG and if Bynum can hold up for a whole season, then they might be better than now. But how would that really help the C's...sure they get better in the frontcourt, but they're left in the same boat LA is in now with no PG. Dooling is nowhere near as capable, and Moore and Avery are SGs.
So, in my eyes, that leaves the three Texas teams. The Rockets, after losing out to Gasol, are desperate to make a trade, and they have a lot of solid players. but they are weak at C and if the Cs are trading away Rondo I think that's what they'd want back, along with a playable PG (which the Rockets do have in Flynn).
The Spurs have been vocal about being willing to trade Tony Parker, but again Duncan is their only real C and those two contracts are way too much.
Which brings us to Dallas. They've been active, and are trying to bridge to the future. They only have Kidd on the roster as a PG, and he's no spring chicken. Could the Cs swing Haywood and Terry somehow? Doesn't help with age, but I really don't see a 2 team trade leaving Rondo somewhere warm that's really worth it for the Cs
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posted at 12/22/2011 9:33 AM EST
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I don't see it being the Suns. It would definitely not be a straight up trade for Nash and there's nobody else there the C's could really use, unless Danny sees something in the lesser Lopez at C. As for the Lakers, If Rondo goes there, he definitely helps them. They are weak at PG and if Bynum can hold up for a whole season, then they might be better than now. But how would that really help the C's...sure they get better in the frontcourt, but they're left in the same boat LA is in now with no PG. Dooling is nowhere near as capable, and Moore and Avery are SGs. So, in my eyes, that leaves the three Texas teams. The Rockets, after losing out to Gasol, are desperate to make a trade, and they have a lot of solid players. but they are weak at C and if the Cs are trading away Rondo I think that's what they'd want back, along with a playable PG (which the Rockets do have in Flynn). The Spurs have been vocal about being willing to trade Tony Parker, but again Duncan is their only real C and those two contracts are way too much. Which brings us to Dallas. They've been active, and are trying to bridge to the future. They only have Kidd on the roster as a PG, and he's no spring chicken. Could the Cs swing Haywood and Terry somehow? Doesn't help with age, but I really don't see a 2 team trade leaving Rondo somewhere warm that's really worth it for the Cs
Posted by jgallag1
Remember, the Celts won a championship in 2008 when it was a mini-3-headed monster at PG, House, Cassell, and Rondo. There were a lot of times when it was House and Cassell in crunch time in the playoffs and Finals that championship season. Like Game 4 in LA when the Lakers built a 22-point lead early in the 1st half and the Celts came back to beat LA. Eddie House was the one playing PG in crunch time in that game.
Pau Gasol to the Celts immediately solves 2 problems, rebounding and inside scoring. Without rebounding and inside scoring the Celts will not get past the Heat or the Bulls in the playoffs. No team in NBA history has won a championship averaging less than 40 rebounds per game. Against the Heat last May, the Celts never scored 100 pts against the Heat.
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posted at 12/22/2011 9:50 AM EST
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OPEN TO ALL CONVERSATIONS !! AS DAD WOULD SAY...... "SON, DOESN'T COST ANYTHING TO TALK" !!!
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posted at 12/22/2011 9:56 AM EST
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Dooling Dooling and Dooling is hardly House Cassell and Rondo. And That was with a Big 3 who was 4 years younger.
And if LA is so screwed with a Fisher/Blake/Random kid combination (which is similar to the Cassell/House/rondo combo) why would the Celtics want to go with an only Dooling combo?
It helps in the frontcourt, yes. But it absolutely screws you at the PG spot. I think it's as important a spot in Boston as it would be in LA right?
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posted at 12/22/2011 9:57 AM EST
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And i usually agree with your posts, but this one leaves me scratching my head
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posted at 12/22/2011 10:00 AM EST
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Rondo hit some shots last night. If he keeps doing that we better make sure we trade for something of value. Nash would be an absolute disaster. It would have to be for a lot more talent and it would be hard to match up salaries.
Rondo if he just hits the outside shot moderately is a very good point guard. If he can hit the outside shot and free throws well he is a great player. If he can't hit shots he is a liability.
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posted at 12/22/2011 10:13 AM EST
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Dooling Dooling and Dooling is hardly House Cassell and Rondo. And That was with a Big 3 who was 4 years younger. And if LA is so screwed with a Fisher/Blake/Random kid combination (which is similar to the Cassell/House/rondo combo) why would the Celtics want to go with an only Dooling combo? It helps in the frontcourt, yes. But it absolutely screws you at the PG spot. I think it's as important a spot in Boston as it would be in LA right?
Posted by jgallag1
Here's the thing, if the Celts continue to average less than 40 rebounds per game it only means another 2nd round playoff exit. No NBA team has won a championship averaging less than 40 rebounds per game.
Dooling for now. The Celts can pickup another PG during the course of the season. Can even trade for one at the trade deadline.
It's easier finding a PG than a big man that's 7-1 and can score inside and outside.
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posted at 12/22/2011 10:24 AM EST
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Why would the Lakers consider that trade, Kobe knows Rondo's man would double on him and what good would it do to pass it back to Rondo? Celtic fans are the only ones who think Rondo is worth a Gasol, Pau or Mark!!
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posted at 12/22/2011 10:29 AM EST
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Why would the Lakers consider that trade, Kobe knows Rondo's man would double on him and what good would it do to pass it back to Rondo? Celtic fans are the only ones who think Rondo is worth a Gasol, Pau or Mark!!
Posted by kyceltic
Maybe that's because you didn't see the 2 games the Clippers beat the crappola out of the Lakers. The Lakers are a mess!
They badly need a PG because all their PGs do is shoot 3s.
Andrew Bynum, if healthy, Kobe, and Rondo is way better than having Pau Gasol watch Andrew Bynum do his thing in the paint while Kobe hogs the ball. In the 2 games Pau has played in the preseason the most attempts he got in one game was 10. Bynum is occupying all the space in the paint. In other words, Pau is redundant.
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posted at 12/22/2011 10:45 AM EST
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You're right i didn't see both Laker Clipper games, i only saw the first game, so sue me!! What good is Rondo without the ball? Kobe is going to have the ball in his hands most of the time, Rondo is a bad match for the Lakers in my opinion. Don't get me wrong, i'm with you on doing the trade, i just don't see it happening!!
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posted at 12/22/2011 10:48 AM EST
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You're right i didn't see both Laker Clipper games, i only saw the first game, so sue me!! What good is Rondo without the ball? Kobe is going to have the ball in his hands most of the time, Rondo is a bad match for the Lakers in my opinion. Don't get me wrong, i'm with you on doing the trade, i just don't see it happening!!
Posted by kyceltic
Remember, Pau still has 57m left, for the next 3 years, in his contract. By getting Rondo and JO that would mean a salary dump.
Part of the reason why the Lakers traded Pau to the Rockets was for salary dump.
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posted at 12/22/2011 11:00 AM EST
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In Response to Re: Celts Still Talking Rondo Trade? : Remember, Pau still has 57m left, for the next 3 years, in his contract. By getting Rondo and JO that would mean a salary dump. Part of the reason why the Lakers traded Pau to the Rockets was for salary dump.
Posted by Fiercest34
The other part was to get Chris Paul, Rondo ain't no Chris Paul!!
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posted at 12/22/2011 11:10 AM EST
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In Response to Re: Celts Still Talking Rondo Trade? : The other part was to get Chris Paul, Rondo ain't no Chris Paul!!
Posted by kyceltic
If the Lakers won't do anything and keep Gasol and Bynum together then it's fine with me. By doing that there will be numerous times people here would post something like Lakers punched in the grill! Ha Ha
And if Rondo remains a Celtic, I would still enjoy watching the Celts play.
Rondo may not be Chris Paul, but he's way better than Derek Fisher and Steve Blake combined.
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posted at 12/22/2011 11:12 AM EST
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i think / hope this rumor is just marshall trying to attract some attention to himself, ala some of our fine contributors around here. i see nothing in the nat'l media so ima consider it nothing. but if it is true, it's phoenix and nash, not the lakers.
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posted at 12/22/2011 11:14 AM EST
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Remember, kyceltic, Pau Gasol is redundant. That's why they shipped him to Houston.
Very few teams out there can and will take on Pau Gasol's huge contract. That means the Lakers have limited options. The Celtics can but will they do it?
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posted at 12/22/2011 11:17 AM EST
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i think / hope this rumor is just marshall trying to attract some attention to himself, ala some of our fine contributors around here. i see nothing in the nat'l media so ima consider it nothing. but if it is true, it's phoenix and nash, not the lakers.
Posted by BaileyPowe
If it's Nash then Robin Lopez has to be included. Otherwise it would be JO, KG, Pierce, Ray, and Nash. Everybody on the floor, everybody walk the dinosaur! Ugh!
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posted at 12/22/2011 11:22 AM EST
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Good idea to keep this thread open for the next 8 years or until Rondo learns to be an effective midrange and freethrow shooter.
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posted at 12/22/2011 11:32 AM EST
If anyone remembers in the summer, I proposed a trade of Rondo, Bradley and JON to PHO for Nash, Lopez and Pietrus!
Still works!
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posted at 12/22/2011 11:35 AM EST
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If anyone remembers in the summer, I proposed a trade of Rondo, Bradley and JON to PHO for Nash, Lopez and Pietrus! Still works!
Posted by Red-16Russ-11
If healthy, JO is better than Lopez.
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posted at 12/22/2011 11:42 AM EST
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In Response to Re: Celts Still Talking Rondo Trade? : If healthy, JO is better than Lopez.
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Perhaps, but Lopez is much younger, and both Nash and Pietrus have expiring deals!
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posted at 12/22/2011 11:43 AM EST
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If Rondo is still under trade talks, you can be sure there is a pointguard in return. Clippers have a bunch of PG..who knows...
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posted at 12/22/2011 11:45 AM EST
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In Response to Re: Celts Still Talking Rondo Trade? : Perhaps, but Lopez is much younger, and both Nash and Pietrus have expiring deals!
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You get 2 points if that trade happens.
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LOL!!
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posted at 12/22/2011 11:50 AM EST
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Fierce is right Rondo would be a very attractive trade for the Lakers. The only downside is it would be the Celtics they are trading with. With Rondo and his passing they would be a much better team. It won't happen, besides Gasol will not get us over the top and his three years at 57 million is an albatross.
The Nash thing scares me because it is so obviously a bad move. He is older than any of the Big Three. He is not going to put us over the top and Rondo needs to be traded for something that strenghtens our future not something that helps us this year. And by the way he won't help us get better this year against Miami and Chicago.
