Defensively, Rondo still a liability

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    Re: Defensively, Rondo still a liability

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    Question remains, are the Celtics better off with Jeff Van Gundy as coach?

    Fierce has some poster's  opinion about JVG squirreled away that he is ready to spring as soon as someone bites on his bait.

    Pud

     
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    He is loyal to a fault Fierce. Sorry, he is very predictable coach. He does not infuse the youth enough. He lacks trust in them. And he does not get on Rondo enough. Too easy.  KG and Pierce are not what they used to be. And they can't just go and win games these days. I think he does not rotate in the young talent enough. It would keep everybody fresher. Maybe his time has run its course

     

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    I love the inconsistency in some of the posts.  

    On one hand, Doc doesn't infuse enough youth (see above).  He doesn't trust them enough.  Then, Doc uses Rondo (youth) too much and trusts him too much....and won't criticize Rondo.  But, wait.....Rondo's been playing a lot since his second year in the league so did Doc trust a young player???  Hmmmm.  

    Doc doesn't infuse youth - but then look at how people love Sully and he's averaging 20 mins per game in his rookie year.  Doc doesn't infuse youth, but amazingly people like BBD, Rondo, Sully, Bradley, Tony Allen, Kedrick Perkins, and Leon Powe are major parts of the teams.  I guess they were all very old guys when Doc played them, huh?  Gosh, Doc doesn't trust Bradley, even though he's an old man at 22 years old!!!!!

    Then he's loyal to a fault by playing Pierce.....but then we hate that Jeff Green doesn't show up for games.  Doc should trust the young Green who won't even LOOK at the basket some nights.  Then he plays the young guy Lee over Terry and Barbosa but he's not infusing youth.

    Then, you post that KG is not what he used to be (duh, neither is Duncan nor any other older player)....and Doc is going to wear him out.   Then we'll have a different thread complaining that KG doesn't play enough minutes and what's wrong with him as he gets gassed.   Wait, doesn't that old guy that Doc trusts too much (KG) lead the team in +/- ?  

    Doc is at fault because his only center is Jason Collins!!!!!   Yes, the Boston Celtics have Jason Collins to face Duncan, Ibaka, Perkins, Anthony Davis, Tyson Chandler, DeAndre Jordan, Dwight Howard, etc.   Man, Danny - fire Doc because he just can't make Jason Collins his allstar or he can't get KG to go back to being 30 years old!

    Amazing.  

     
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    Re: Defensively, Rondo still a liability

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    He is loyal to a fault Fierce. Sorry, he is very predictable coach. He does not infuse the youth enough. He lacks trust in them. And he does not get on Rondo enough. Too easy.  KG and Pierce are not what they used to be. And they can't just go and win games these days. I think he does not rotate in the young talent enough. It would keep everybody fresher. Maybe his time has run its course

     



    I love the inconsistency in some of the posts.  

    On one hand, Doc doesn't infuse enough youth (see above).  He doesn't trust them enough.  Then, Doc uses Rondo (youth) too much and trusts him too much....and won't criticize Rondo.  But, wait.....Rondo's been playing a lot since his second year in the league so did Doc trust a young player???  Hmmmm.  

    Doc doesn't infuse youth - but then look at how people love Sully and he's averaging 20 mins per game in his rookie year.  Doc doesn't infuse youth, but amazingly people like BBD, Rondo, Sully, Bradley, Tony Allen, Kedrick Perkins, and Leon Powe are major parts of the teams.  I guess they were all very old guys when Doc played them, huh?  Gosh, Doc doesn't trust Bradley, even though he's an old man at 22 years old!!!!!

    Then he's loyal to a fault by playing Pierce.....but then we hate that Jeff Green doesn't show up for games.  Doc should trust the young Green who won't even LOOK at the basket some nights.  Then he plays the young guy Lee over Terry and Barbosa but he's not infusing youth.

    Then, you post that KG is not what he used to be (duh, neither is Duncan nor any other older player)....and Doc is going to wear him out.   Then we'll have a different thread complaining that KG doesn't play enough minutes and what's wrong with him as he gets gassed.   Wait, doesn't that old guy that Doc trusts too much (KG) lead the team in +/- ?  

    Doc is at fault because his only center is Jason Collins!!!!!   Yes, the Boston Celtics have Jason Collins to face Duncan, Ibaka, Perkins, Anthony Davis, Tyson Chandler, DeAndre Jordan, Dwight Howard, etc.   Man, Danny - fire Doc because he just can't make Jason Collins his allstar or he can't get KG to go back to being 30 years old!

    Amazing.  

    [/QUOTE]  So, does this mean you think Doc is a better coach than JVG?

     
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    Re: Defensively, Rondo still a liability

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    rondo is ready to take over this team. take the game against the bulls hes absolutely dominated whoever was guarding him he hustled all night on defense even up to that point at the end of the game he striped the ball and it magically found its way to hinrich...if you watch the game rondo makes plays and plays throughout the game and when its crunch time espically in the overtime they call isolations for pierce every time up the court was and isolation for pierce ridiculous whos fault is that? docs? pierces? i dnt know but all of you willl find a way to put it on rondo...rondo is the least of what all you guys should be worrying about but after every game, if he drops 30 and/or fouls out diving for a lose ball because everyone else on the team is watching or if he leads the league in assits or if hes a starter in the allstar game alll come here after the game and complain about him its ridiculous

     



    is he really...  "ready"?  i say he should be ready.  he only SHOWS he's ready once every 6 to 10 games.  he scored 26 or whatever agains the bulls.  yay, great.  and there's  a good chance it will take him the next 3 games to score his next 26....  that's just the way he is. 

    that's how you end up averaging (it was 11.7 for a while) 13.X points per game with 20 point per game talent. 

    our half court offense would not shrivel up and die and get SO STALE if rondo WAS the nightly COMPLETE triple threat, SHOOT, DRIVE, PASS player that he should be.  you do NOT see that every night from rondo.  therefore it's impossible that HE CAN BE READY to "take over".

    you can't have one without the other.  his great sporadic performances are not enough.  he definitely won't get 26 every night, but you look at his nice games and wonder how in the hell does he manage to come up so crappy against the boobcats or new orleans the other night where he was 3-8 FG and 1-3 FT's and just mailed it in when NOBODY on that team (kind of like chicago's roster!) had any chance of stopping him.  he stopped himself. 

    he does that a lot.  i say it's due to sheer lazyness of never HAVING to be a disciplined player to get his PT or paycheck.  it's a culture problem that danny built and doc perpetuated.

     
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    and once a culture is 7 years old and someone is an "all star" there is VERY LITTLE CHANCE that you are going to change their way of thinking- that trying their hardest is an optional thing during the first 82 games.....  there is no precedent for even EXECUTING such a dangerous and nefarious culture- not even rod strickland, famous head case, mailed it in as much as rondo does.

    and just the same, there is no precedent for pulling a player out of 7 year old bad habits as an nba veteran and "all star".  it's for these reasons that it's the best interest of this team to trade rondo, not in a hurried or panicked manner, but before next season. 

    just put yer thinkin cap on and look ahead 2 years.  rondo has just pocketed 25 million for regular season performances where he tried really hard in a maximum of 20 games each year of the first 82.  do you think he's going to 1) start trying all 82 games AND 2) take less than 13M per year to start his new contract AND 3) anyone else is going to believe he has any significant trade value?

    i suppose there's always a chance that danny will cut the suspense of his self created dysfunction and bid against nobody and sign rondo for 15 million a year in a back loaded extension where he will wind up at 20 million and save us from the free agency "bidding" over precious rajon. 

    can you imagine a 9 year veteran still shooting 55-65% free throws and an undisciplined player making 15M and north for a 4-6 year extension?  that would be most unfortunate.

     
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    Re: Defensively, Rondo still a liability

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    He is loyal to a fault Fierce. Sorry, he is very predictable coach. He does not infuse the youth enough. He lacks trust in them. And he does not get on Rondo enough. Too easy.  KG and Pierce are not what they used to be. And they can't just go and win games these days. I think he does not rotate in the young talent enough. It would keep everybody fresher. Maybe his time has run its course

     

     



    I love the inconsistency in some of the posts.  

     

    On one hand, Doc doesn't infuse enough youth (see above).  He doesn't trust them enough.  Then, Doc uses Rondo (youth) too much and trusts him too much....and won't criticize Rondo.  But, wait.....Rondo's been playing a lot since his second year in the league so did Doc trust a young player???  Hmmmm.  

    Doc doesn't infuse youth - but then look at how people love Sully and he's averaging 20 mins per game in his rookie year.  Doc doesn't infuse youth, but amazingly people like BBD, Rondo, Sully, Bradley, Tony Allen, Kedrick Perkins, and Leon Powe are major parts of the teams.  I guess they were all very old guys when Doc played them, huh?  Gosh, Doc doesn't trust Bradley, even though he's an old man at 22 years old!!!!!

    Then he's loyal to a fault by playing Pierce.....but then we hate that Jeff Green doesn't show up for games.  Doc should trust the young Green who won't even LOOK at the basket some nights.  Then he plays the young guy Lee over Terry and Barbosa but he's not infusing youth.

    Then, you post that KG is not what he used to be (duh, neither is Duncan nor any other older player)....and Doc is going to wear him out.   Then we'll have a different thread complaining that KG doesn't play enough minutes and what's wrong with him as he gets gassed.   Wait, doesn't that old guy that Doc trusts too much (KG) lead the team in +/- ?  

    Doc is at fault because his only center is Jason Collins!!!!!   Yes, the Boston Celtics have Jason Collins to face Duncan, Ibaka, Perkins, Anthony Davis, Tyson Chandler, DeAndre Jordan, Dwight Howard, etc.   Man, Danny - fire Doc because he just can't make Jason Collins his allstar or he can't get KG to go back to being 30 years old!

    Amazing.  

      So, does this mean you think Doc is a better coach than JVG?

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    Yes.  Not better than Pop, equal to Rick Carlyle, better than Thibbs, and no other current coaches as good as him.  He's not perfect and there's some things I don't like, but overall, a very good coach imo.

     
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    Re: Defensively, Rondo still a liability

    His defense needs to be better, no doubt about it. 

    However he does expend a lot of energy on the offensive end, that said he definitely needs to learn to play a more on the ball defensive style. 

    Keep in mind point guards like Nash had great careers while being defensive liabilities...but still, Rondo has to do better. He plays better with Bradley in but there are no excuses not to play better D. 

    That said the game in question, Rondo had a huge block of an inbound pass and also wacked away the ball in the last possession of regulation, could have been huge but bad luck it ended up bouncing right to Heinrich. In other words Rondo had big plays on both sides of the ball in that instance. 

    But your point stands. 

     
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    "not even rod strickland, famous head case, mailed it in as much as rondo does."

    You're out of touch dude. Rondo has had a much more successful career than shoot-first Strickland. The two players aren't even comparable. Rondo has played plenty of great postseason games, Strickland rarely sniffed the postseason

     
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    Re: Defensively, Rondo still a liability

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    "not even rod strickland, famous head case, mailed it in as much as rondo does."

    You're out of touch dude. Rondo has had a much more successful career than shoot-first Strickland. The two players aren't even comparable. Rondo has played plenty of great postseason games, Strickland rarely sniffed the postseason



    Not even a comparison.  Rondo is better.  Strickland doesn't belong in this discussion.

    Rondo does so many great things on the court.  He's just not the complete player because he doesn't give you that every night and especially on the defensive end.  He's as good as any guard in the league.....and I mean ANY guard including Chris Paul.  But, he's not as good EVERY NIGHT because he doesn't give that offensive nor defensive effort all the time.   He pouts and gives attitude and plays lazy D and it hurts his team.   That's what's holding him back from being THE best point guard in the league.

     
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    Re: Defensively, Rondo still a liability

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    "not even rod strickland, famous head case, mailed it in as much as rondo does."

    You're out of touch dude. Rondo has had a much more successful career than shoot-first Strickland. The two players aren't even comparable. Rondo has played plenty of great postseason games, Strickland rarely sniffed the postseason

     



    Not even a comparison.  Rondo is better.  Strickland doesn't belong in this discussion.

     

    Rondo does so many great things on the court.  He's just not the complete player because he doesn't give you that every night and especially on the defensive end.  He's as good as any guard in the league.....and I mean ANY guard including Chris Paul.  But, he's not as good EVERY NIGHT because he doesn't give that offensive nor defensive effort all the time.   He pouts and gives attitude and plays lazy D and it hurts his team.   That's what's holding him back from being THE best point guard in the league.



    In other words he is the best PG in the world but doesn't play like it?   Thats interesting.

    You must not have watched much of Rod Strickland.  That dude could ball very well.

     
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    Re: Defensively, Rondo still a liability

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       He pouts and gives attitude and plays lazy D and it hurts his team.   That's what's holding him back from being THE best point guard in the league.

    In other words he is the best PG in the world but doesn't play like it?   Thats interesting.


    Rondo does play like the best PG in the league... except when he pouts... except when he has a bad attitude.... except when he is lazy.... except when all this hurts his team.


    Jeeeez.... I thought I was critical... these are not trivial exception. This is pretty much all the time.

    I whole heartedly agree.

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    Re: Defensively, Rondo still a liability

    Rondo usually has a pretty good season stat line... for ex, someone mentioned the last 3 game totals of point... 7+8+30=45 pts , 15 pt avg per game (not bad)... but really he failed his team 2 out of 3 games...  In the big picture, this 3 game look isnt a big deal unless its something thats consistently happening... theres that "C" word again.

    Rondo doesnt bring it every game and prob takes off more games than anyone else on the team by far. The only thing Rondo is consistent with is racking up assist totals (like passing up another layup last night vs Pistons to dish to a stumbling KG for an assist) and dogging it defensively.. meaning not doing the heavy lifting of giving 100% to stay in front of his man and fighting thru picks.

    Dont know what can be done about it at this point... Doc obviously has no influence or desire to correct it, probably helped facilitate it by letting it go on so long.. even have to wonder how KG doesnt have a meltdown on the kid. Who knows... 

    Nothing worse in pro sports than doggin it... miss a clutch FT, everyone knows it wasnt intentional .....  let a good pass go thru ur hands, everyone knows it wasnt intentional..... have ur dunk bounce off the back rim, everyone knows it wasnt intentional.....  not keep up with ur guy cause ur physically inferior, everyone knows it wasnt intentional.....    but to dog it, not give ur best so often...thats intentional and hard to live with unless ur coaches name is Doc Rivers

     

     

     

     

     

     

     
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    Re: Defensively, Rondo still a liability

    We should trade him before he gets a new deal, wich would probably be a max contract.  Talk about an albatros... 

    I'd swap him straight up for Curry (even with the health concerns), but no way GS makes that deal. They wouldn't be in 5th place in the wild west with Rondo at the helm.

     

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