Do you agree with Bob Ryan? Window of opportunity as good as shut-Championship No. 18 is nowhere in sight.

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    Except for injuries, we'd have a good shot at a title this year.

    Big issue is DOc playing the old geezers til their tongues hang out every season
     
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    In Response to Re: Do you agree with Bob Ryan? Window of opportunity as good as shut-Championship No. 18 is nowhere in sight. : I agree with you about the rebuilding process.  Definitely different than it was in the 80's.  Another point is that the Celtics lost Len Bias and Reggie Lewis in this time, which would be difficult for any team to recover from.  What might have been if Bias hadn't died?  It probably would have resulted in at least another championship for the Celtics. 
    Posted by susan250


    That's pure speculation. Len Bias might've been a complete bust...or he might've had a career ending injury his rookie year. Some of you like to believe that Bias would've brought some championships, but there's NO WAY of knowing that. The league, as well as ALL the other professional leagues, are filled with names like Sam Bowie, Tony Mandarich and Ryan Leaf. You can look no further than your own back yard...Tony Conigliaro. Tony C's career was cut short because of that beaning. What happened to Len Bias was meant to happen.
     
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    In Response to Re: Do you agree with Bob Ryan? Window of opportunity as good as shut-Championship No. 18 is nowhere in sight. : Yes the Cs went from worst to best in one year and Halley's comet comes by every 76 years to. I love it when people use one of the only examples of an event happening in history and assume that it will just keep happening.  Jason Kidd came into the league and could not shoot (as have thousands of other players) so obviously Rondo will eventually become a good shooter - the only obvious outcome. It is very likely that Danny will overhaul the roster and continue to put a championship caliber team on the court year after year because..... well just because..... The league is a cycle, bad teams get good through the draft, good teams get nothing from the draft and get bad......  there are a few exceptions but that is why they are called exceptions.
    Posted by TheDUDDER


    Not if he keeps bringing in the O'Neals of the world.

    Bob Ryan saw it happen with the Bird era. He had a front row seat. He knows what he's talking about.

    Like many of us have said, the C's are fading, but the Lakers will bring in the needed parts to keep them contenders. And please don't come back with the "they're over the salary cap" argument. We're aware of it, Mitch Kupchak is aware of it and the rest of the league is aware of it. That's never stopped them from making smart trades and free agent signings.
     
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    Susan with Bias several championships would have followed.
    Posted by concord27


    See above.
     
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    Decent article. Premature by Ryan tho. Write it in Sept if this team looks the same.

    He fails to be positive at all.

    and he fails to mention that Ainge was traded in '89, saw the fall from afar, and was convinced not to let the same thing happen.

    Ray is clearly Parish despite the position diff. both were 36 after the series Ryan mentions (90 and this past weeks) an both even-keeled class acts. Ray (like Reggie Miller) will contribute till age 39 or so. He is in fantastic shape. He just needs to have his mins cut from 35-30 reg season and 39-34 in the playoffs to have his legs about him for those 3's.

    Pierce and KG can be lumped together to be like McHale and Bird. younger than Parish and the emotional hearts of the club/fans... the old versions had more serious injuries. The new versions have to have the mins and roles cut as well. but still busting out once in awhile... maybe not a KG 28-18 once followed by 2 duds... but an 18-11 3 out of every 4 playoff games. Pierce has to be rested to close games and play D. He is only months older than Kobe.

    Green is Reggie Lewis. Give him 35 minutes, he rest Ray/Paul, and he'll get you 18-19 points. Good d on LBJ and Melo like Reggie played good d on Jordan. but he won't be your closer or your captain.

    DWest can be your Brian Shaw or Dee Brown bench guy.

    Those early 90's Celtics teams were a PG (passed on Tim Hardaway) an athletic young big and better health away from going toe to toe w/ chicago 91-93.

    Ainge knows this.

    and he has rondo. The enigma. The kid who can turn a series with an unreal trip dub and lose it with bricked J's and tentitive play.

    If Rondo improves his jumper, Ainge uses sign and trades and a cache of draft picks to add a skilled big and (with doc's help) makes the big 3 complementary to Rondo-Green and this as yet unnamed big.... then we will be there every year for the next 3 years... toe to toe with the Heat and Bulls. Injuries, homecourt and hot hands determining the champion.

    If we burn the big 3 out yet again, fail to find Green's best role and play him big mins in it, and Wyc doesn't spend to help Danny's creativity to find that other solid starter.... we are prob done.
     
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    Qdaddy,
    You have no idea what you are talking about concerning Bias.  Be a big boy and watch one of his college games.  Don't say you have because if you had you would not say such stupid  things.

    The Lakers had a very brutal end so I know you are down and making sense is less a priority than ever.  Kupchak has not made such good moves this last year and some of his past moves will hog tie them.  

    Yet you talk about how Kupchak and the Lakers have always managed to work around salary caps and rules and get the players they want which brings to mind that league collusion or favoritism is necessary for your team's success.


    People here have been trying to tell that all along.
     
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    In Response to Re: Do you agree with Bob Ryan? Window of opportunity as good as shut-Championship No. 18 is nowhere in sight. : That's pure speculation. Len Bias might've been a complete bust...or he might've had a career ending injury his rookie year. Some of you like to believe that Bias would've brought some championships, but there's NO WAY of knowing that. The league, as well as ALL the other professional leagues, are filled with names like Sam Bowie, Tony Mandarich and Ryan Leaf. You can look no further than your own back yard...Tony Conigliaro. Tony C's career was cut short because of that beaning. What happened to Len Bias was meant to happen.
    Posted by Qdaddy


    He was the real deal. Jordan said he was the best player he ever played against.

    LA lucked into worthy and we lucked into bias with top 2 picks.

    Bias death was awful.

    Had it been reversed...and Worthy died on draft night... and Bias simply put up Worthy's career #'s (32 mins, 17.6p, 5.1r) LA would have had 2 titles to the Celtics 6 or 7.
     
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    by Bob Ryan/Boston Globe You want to know what lies in store for the Boston Celtics ? Come on. We’re Bostonians. We’re New Englanders. We know our history. And history is about to repeat itself. Danny Ainge is in the same position Dave Gavitt was 21 years ago. He has a core of aging Hall of Famers, and they aren’t going anywhere. His only hope is to build around them with young talent, young legs, and young enthusiasm. Good luck. The 1989-90 Celtics season ended in a shocking manner. Up, 2-0, against the Knicks , and coming off a historic Game 2 performance at home in which they scored a playoff-record 157 points, they lost Games 3 and 4 in New York before suffering a completely unanticipated defeat at home in Game 5. That was it. Season over. Oh, there were some good moments left, most of them having to do with Larry Bird, who was able to ignore a mounting string of injuries and turn back the clock with a golden performance every once in a while. But things went progressively downhill in a team sense, the Celtics winning 51 games in 1991-92, after which Bird retired; 48 games in 1992-93, after which Kevin McHale said bye-bye; and 32 games in 1993-94, after which Robert Parish set off on his farewell tour elsewhere. Want more? They won 35 in 1994-95, stumbling into the playoffs despite that undistinguished record before closing out the Garden in a dignified manner by giving the up-and-coming Magic (and their young star Shaquille O’Neal) a tough go. They won 33 in 1995-96. All this was a prelude to the humiliating 15-67 year in 1996-97, which led to the lottery and to Tim . . . er, do we have to go any farther? From the day he assumed the presidency of the Celtics, Gavitt knew his toughest task would be managing the end of the (original) Big Three. But what were his options, really? Trade Larry? I don’t think so. Trade Robert? And find another center half as good? Trade Kevin? Well, that was a possibility, but Gavitt could never bring himself to do it. Nope. Gavitt wound up staying the course. The Big Three simply faded away. So, too, did the entity known as the Boston Celtics. Is that a grim enough scenario for you? Well, you’d better buckle up. You’re about to have a deja vu professional basketball experience. Here are the current Big Three, still skilled, still exemplary in their work habits, still a fountain of basketball knowledge, still completely respected around the NBA for what they have accomplished. That’s all very nice, and there will be some very nice retro experiences ahead, perhaps even enough of them to justify an emotional investment in the Celtics teams that lie ahead. But the Big Three are no longer the core of a championship team. The cold facts: Ray Allen starts next season at 36. Kevin Garnett turns 35 next week. Paul Pierce turns 34 in October. They are all still viable players, as we have seen. But nothing can change the fact that they will be less and less viable as time goes on. None of them will ever be his old All-Star/Hall-of-Fame self, night after night after night. “I don’t think we ever got great games from our Big Three every [game],’’ said Doc Rivers after Game 5. “And to go against those two guys [i.e. Dwyane Wade and LeBron James], they were super.’’ No, Doc, of course you didn’t have any games in which each of the Big Three was his old self, because that is precisely what happens to most aging players. Some nights they have it, some nights they don’t. That’s the reality. None of them are going anywhere. Pierce will retire as the first hallowed Celtics lifer since McHale. He deserves that. Garnett is contracted for another year. Allen is likewise contracted through next year. Now, Allen is still highly tradable. Some team might regard him as the final piece of a championship puzzle, and, properly managed, he can still be a major offensive threat. But Allen insists he doesn’t want to go anywhere, and part of the reason, I am sure, is that he has a son with diabetes, and where better to be on this Earth in that case but in Boston, home of the Joslin Diabetes Center? Danny Ainge is tough and pragmatic, but he could not possibly be heartless enough to send Ray away under this circumstance. Thus we all will enjoy Ray’s services for another year. The Big Three will remain as the core. Rajon Rondo will continue to improve his outside shot incrementally, and he will be his mercurial self. Beyond that, who knows? The Celtics can’t go through the Shaq scenario again. Jermaine O’Neal will probably be here. Nenad Krstic might benefit from a training camp with this team. Any way you slice it, however, the center position will not be a major asset. Glen Davis is a free agent. For two-thirds of the season, he was a major plus. But something is wrong. Something is troubling him. He put on weight and he lost his game and his confidence. The guy on display in the playoffs, with very few exceptions (New York 4 and Miami 5), was someone who wouldn’t even be drafted. And history teaches us that someone with his body type seldom lasts in the NBA. Think about it: Leonard Gray, Lonnie Shelton, Oliver Miller, the late Robert “Tractor’’ Traylor, John “Hot Plate’’ Williams . . . all of them hefty, all of them skilled, and all of them short-lived. The only man approaching that body type who had a great NBA career was Westley Unseld, and if he hadn’t gotten up around three bills in the end (he was about 240 coming out of Louisville), he might have lasted a few more years. We have seen the last of Big Baby in a Celtics uniform. Doc endorsed Jeff Green the other night, but Green must be signed, as must Delonte West, whose strong play in the Miami series almost guaranteed his return. Doc said the team needs to “add on,’’ and that’s Ainge’s job. Perhaps he’ll fool us, but I don’t see any great additions coming here. What you saw against Miami is essentially what you’re going to get. It’s great to hear that Doc wants to be back, but is that really wise? He says he loves his guys, but he’d better get used to winning fewer and fewer games. The Celtics will plummet, just as they did two decades ago. At this juncture, it’s wise to remember that when the Big Three were put together, it was a universal assumption that there was a three-year window in which to win a title. They got it done in Year 1, and have kept a nice thing going into Year 4. But the young turks in Miami, Chicago, Oklahoma City, Memphis, and a few more places are storming the palace. What it all adds up to is that, henceforth, making the playoffs will be an accomplishment. Championship No. 18 is nowhere in sight.
    Posted by -EdithBunker-


                  Do I agree with the premise of the article that the "window" has closed on the Celtics winning an NBA Championship with the "Big 3?" Yeah. I agree. Unless the Celtics drafted a basketball version of Rip Van Winkle five years ago who is going to come out of a deep sleep and give us his best version of Michael Jordan {or at least Clyde Drexler} then yes, I'd say the "window" has gone by. Don't think this makes Bob a genius for thinking of it though. Common sense.
     
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    In Response to Re: Do you agree with Bob Ryan? Window of opportunity as good as shut-Championship No. 18 is nowhere in sight. : Fairly typical Boston fan....  Lester wins 19 so he is good for 22, Bucholz won 17 so he is good for 20, all the injuries will never happen again so the Sox are good for 103 wins...... So the Cs were 33 and 10 with Shaq and there will be no more Shaq but of course the Cs won 55 but of course that means 60 regardless of what happens in the offseason. The Cs are headed for 500, with no Shaq they were a 500 team, so I think they will be a 500 team next year. Over 500 would be a huge accomplishment next year in my opinion.
    Posted by TheDUDDER


              I'm getting a kick out of this post because you're so right in the "thought process" of these fans but I must say it is not unique to Boston fans. I'm a Yankee fan. During the winter you should hear some of the convoluted theories people have. No one is gonna get hurt. Everybody {on the Yankees} is gonna have a great year. Everyone on the other teams {the Red Sox mainly} are gonna have bad years. It's incredible...........isn't it? Funny though.
     
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    In Response to Re: Do you agree with Bob Ryan? Window of opportunity as good as shut-Championship No. 18 is nowhere in sight. : My point?  Well my point is that there is history to suggest what will likely happen as opposed hoping, praying, lucking out, etc.
    Posted by TheDUDDER


    Again, what is the point?

    Do you read what you are responding to?  Do you just like to hear yourself spout?
     
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    I agree to the extent that the door to No. 18 in the Big 3 (KG, RA & PP) era is pretty much closed. The team is strapped with their huge salaries plus Rondo's for next season, and DA will be hard-pressed to land proven talent with the limited resources at his disposal. He will have to content himself with the usual cast of veterans willing to accept the veteran's minimum pay. The problem is that Boston will no longer be a preferred destination for those vets willing to shave salary for the prospect of winning a championship.

    I disagree, however, with the view that the Celts will endure another long drought before competing again for a championship. Unlike before, the Celts now have an ownership focused on winning championships and willing to spend to acquire talent. The challenge will very much depend on DA and Doc for player recruitment and development. In this regard, I think that DA should follow San Antonio's lead and broaden its scouting to international players and Americans playing in foreign leagues. In Doc's case, he should by actual practice dispel notions that he is averse to developing young players. Otherwise, Boston will not be a favored destination for young talent.
     
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    I agree that the championship window is closed--but I don't agree that the C's are headed towards the bottom of the league. Ainge is an activist and he sees what we see, only better. And Doc is staying. They're not going to sit tight like the C's management did as the Bird era was winding down. The present team was a short term proposition anyway. They foresaw this ending and there will be BIG moves within the next two years to formulate a new team. Expect only 2-4 familiar names on roster 2013. That said, can anyone compete with the Heat? No. That triumvirate should win at least a hat trick.
     
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    And to top it off didn't Red pass on a deal to trade Mchale to the Sonics for Payton and Schremp? Like in 89 or 90? Seattle would been nuts to do that. If this is true Red was too loyal and not a business person.
     
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    The most likely outcome is probably somwhere between Ryan's pessimism (that Boston is bound for a long drout like the Celtics of the 90s) and undue optimism (that the current core of KG/PP/RA can still compete for a championship).  Barring unforseen luck in the draft, or the acquisition of Howard, the Celtics almost certainly will face 2-3 seasons of diminished success. However, they need not repeat the disaster of the 90s, and most likely they won't. For one thing, the odds are pretty small that they'll lose two key pieces of their future due to drug overdoses. THAT's really what decimated the post Bird Celtics, who otherwise would have been in very strong shape into the late 90s. For another, the fact is they'll be able to shed something like $50 million in salary over the next few seasons.  So, if the Cs make a few decent drafts, trades and signings, I see them being able to compete for a championship again within three years.
    Posted by Louisio


    Couldn't  let  this  go.  What  TWO  key  pieces  due  to  drug  overdose  are  you  referring  to  ?  Reggie  Lewis  certainly  did  not  die  due  to  a  drug  overdose.
     
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    Faust,
    Read the Gary Washburn article on the signing of Doc and the plans to build the franchise back up with free agency.  According to Washburn Doc is the most desired coach to play for in the NBA. Doc's committing for five years lets you know he has designs on rebuilding. 

    If you are a Celtics fan you should be able to see this.  We have pieces and coaching and the tradition to rebuild and be competitive in a short time.

    Look at the Heat and Lakers that is the only way they have kept competitive.
     
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    Qdaddy, You have no idea what you are talking about concerning Bias.  Be a big boy and watch one of his college games.  Don't say you have because if you had you would not say such stupid  things. The Lakers had a very brutal end so I know you are down and making sense is less a priority than ever.  Kupchak has not made such good moves this last year and some of his past moves will hog tie them.   Yet you talk about how Kupchak and the Lakers have always managed to work around salary caps and rules and get the players they want which brings to mind that league collusion or favoritism is necessary for your team's success. People here have been trying to tell that all along.
    Posted by concord27


    Did you watch Greg Oden at Ohio State? Same EXACT circumstances...a HIGHLY talented player coming out of college who's career is on hold because of injuries.

    Sam Bowie was considered a sure hit prospect coming out...never lived up to the hype and injuries ALSO took their toll.

    I'm sorry Concord, "woulda championsips" can't be added to the Celtics total (as in..."we woulda won more championships if Len Bias didn't die").

    You guys are S-P-E-C-U-L-A-T-I-N-G!!!!! There are NO GUARANTEES that Len Bias would've brought even ONE title. You guys need to put that excuse to rest. You guys already have the rep for being the biggest cryers and whiners in the country...this type of excuse-making only enhances that reputation.

    Kupchak's moves have pretty much been good. You don't hear a ground swell of support to have him fired like I'm seeing on this forum over Danny Ainge. Ainge is inept and had KG fall to him (with a helping hand from his buddy Kevin McHale).

    The proof is in the pudding...or in this case, each teams histories. The past 25 years have allowed the Lakers to come within ONE title of tying the C's for most NBA titles. That's because they're managed well. They've had ONE owner and TWO GM's over that time. You'll have to forgive me if I put my faith in the Laker's management...they've shown what they're capable of.

    Now compare that with the Celtics management over the same time...and you guys have ONE championship to show for it and whole lot of nothing else.

    As far as favoritism, the Lakers are usually one of the favorites to sign top talent for many of the reasons I've previously stated, but also because of the climate, tradition and...because it's Hollywood! HAH!
     
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    In Response to Re: Do you agree with Bob Ryan? Window of opportunity as good as shut-Championship No. 18 is nowhere in sight. : Couldn't  let  this  go.  What  TWO  key  pieces  due  to  drug  overdose  are  you  referring  to  ?  Reggie  Lewis  certainly  did  not  die  due  to  a  drug  overdose.
    Posted by zeitgeist49


    You are right about that.  I was the one that first brought up the unfortunate circumstances that the Celtics faced.  Len Bias did indeed die of a drug overdose. Reggie Lewis, who died of  I believe a heart condition that had gone undetected.  Just a tragic set of circumstances for the Celtics.  I don't recall any other NBA team that had players on their teams die, although, it may have happened. 
     
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    Ryan's right... unless something changes, which it always does.

    What will change? That's the question. Isn't it?
     
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    And to top it off didn't Red pass on a deal to trade Mchale to the Sonics for Payton and Schremp? Like in 89 or 90? Seattle would been nuts to do that. If this is true Red was too loyal and not a business person.
    Posted by jaytf25


    These were the deals we passed on:

    1.) Feb deadline 1989 - McHale to the Mavs for Schrempf and the Mavs 1st rd pick (would have been in 20's) Divac could have been taken.

    * instead they traded Ainge for Pinckney and Kleine

    2.) Draft of 1989 - passed on Tim Hardaway, who they were poised to take as DJ's heir b/c someone whispered last minute to Red that Michale Smith, a stiff F from BYU, could eb 'the next bird'

    3.) Offseason 1989 - K.C. Jones was just named Sonics coach, Celtics were offered a swap of rebound machine Michael Cage for Parish, a Jones favorite. Cage was 4" shorter and 9 years younger, but was really just a 6 point, 7.5 rebound guy the next 4 years, Parish was probably better.

    4.) Offseason 1992. Had Drafted Dee Brown in '90. The Sonics drafted Payton in '91. apparently they were offered a swap of them and turne dit down. Dee was the fun-loving dunk champ and Payton the slightly slow to develop as a rookie head case at the time.

    5.) Could have drafted Latrell Sprewell or P.J. Brown instead of Jon Barry... who they then traded for no good reason.

    That pretty much ends the Big 3 era and the ba dmoves associated with it.

    They did draft VERY well in 87 (Lewis) 88 (Shaw) 90 (Dee) and 91 (Fox)






     
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    I don't think the core of this roster is good enough to get it done next year.  I could be wrong, and the right moves could put them right in the thick of things, especially if there is a short season.  I don't see how they can add significant pieces next year without moving a core player, which would hurt them in the short term. 

    Ryan may be right that #18 may not be next year, but this team has a well-respected coach with a 5-yr. deal and a lot of cap space at some point.  So to say the hunt for #18 is finito with this group may be right, but I don't think we'll be waiting another 20 years to be title contenders again. 
     
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    This is the same Bob Ryan who thought the trade of Perkins, etc., for Jeff Green, etc., was a great deal because we got, in Red's words, "the best player". What a joke! Red would never have made that trade. More to the point, Red would have seen that a defensive nucleus stayed together. Don't talk to me about money: you keep Perk as if he's a 20 ppg scorer, because that's what defense means in the NBA. And Danny bemoans, not that trade, but the Tony Allen "failure". Well, watching the Thunder-Grizzly series and thinking about having those guys on our team for the playoffs, I have to admit Ryan was right about ONE thing he said in the past. This was a 3 year window for one championship, Celtic fans. We got it the first year, so shut up!

    But the reason we have to shut up is depressing. We have a GM who loves shoving new players into the mix like it's a board game, and a coach who refuses to integrate new players into the lineup. So for example, Leon Powe, a hero of our championship year, sat on the bench until injury forced Doc's hand. That's the same Doc who could not mesh ANY of the new players that Danny so wonderously provided with such fanfair at the trading deadline into a functioning unit because, he doesn't trust this, or that's not how you do it in the playoffs or whatever. This stink starts at the tops, unfortunately, and that's why Ryan got this one right, after all. 
     
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    Yes that 89 draft still irks me. Michael Smith??? Payton actually went in the 1990 draft. Red was not always right. He was human but we really needed a guard in 89. Also to note it was Bill Fitch who pushed Red and the owner at the time-Harry Mangurian, to trade the no.1 pick to Golden State for Parrish. He was not sold on Parrish. He liked Joe Barry Carroll.
     
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