Do you agree with Bob Ryan? Window of opportunity as good as shut-Championship No. 18 is nowhere in sight.

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    Ryan's take is the safe position to take and the likely scenario.

    But trading so many kids and picks to add KG and Ray Allen to PP was a win now - pay later move. With the emergence of Miami, Chicago and the Knicks tracking to add their own third to their big 3 it is a good guess given the ages of the Big 3 that later is now. 

    The caveat here will be the lock-out. The longer the lock out the more the age of our Big 3 is mitigated. In a very shortened year they could shock the world. But in order to get these guys and keep them the C's had to sign them a year too long and traded with other teams who traded them a bit too soon in first place to get them.

    After so many years mediocrity it was a blast watching this team for the last 4 years and if they had to do it all over again I am sure ownership would back Ainge all over again.
     
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    I don't agree with Bob. Instead of just looking at the aging Celtics of the late 80s and early 90s, I would like to bring in the 1968-1969 team.  Such a wonderful year :) The Celtics just won 48 games that year and were written off to take an early exit in the playoffs because they were old.  Their key 5 were Bill Russell (35 years old), Sam Jones (36), Bailey Howell (32), John Havlicek (29) and Don Nelson (29). As they say, the rest was history with a 2-point win in Game 7 against the Lakers to take the NBA crown.

    Our old or should I say experienced guys don't have recurring injuries like Bird's back in his final years.  With Rondo, Green and a couple of young guys who can play both ends of the court, I believe we can win the 2012 crown.
     
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    Ugh. Local sports journalism at its worst. Take X current situation and compare it to Y situation from the same franchise decades ago. Ryan's argument appeals to the emotions, but makes very little logical sense.

    First and foremost, it seems very unlikely that two possible franchise players will drop dead within less than a decade. While it's impossible to say the C's would have definitely won a championship with either Bias or Lewis, it is more than reasonable to say they would have been much better. 

    There's also the fact that the entire franchise, and not just the roster, was in flux at the end of the Bird era. Three new coaches within a five year span, new arena, and most important, the first new general manager since the early 1950s. That's a big deal. In fact, I'd say its that lack of continuity that hurt the franchise the most. By the end of the 90s, after transitioning through Gavitt, ML Carr, and Rick Patino, and Chris Wallace, the Celtics were a team completely lacking in identity and mission. That is not the case this time. We have a good coach, we have a good (not perfect) general manager, we have a trio of superstars who, while on the decline, are not injured and completely unable to play as Bird was by the end of 1992. All signs point to a franchise that is in a MUCH better position than it was in those dark days.
     
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    In Response to Re: Do you agree with Bob Ryan? Window of opportunity as good as shut-Championship No. 18 is nowhere in sight.:
    In Response to Re: Do you agree with Bob Ryan? Window of opportunity as good as shut-Championship No. 18 is nowhere in sight. : He was the real deal. Jordan said he was the best player he ever played against. LA lucked into worthy and we lucked into bias with top 2 picks. Bias death was awful. Had it been reversed...and Worthy died on draft night... and Bias simply put up Worthy's career #'s (32 mins, 17.6p, 5.1r) LA would have had 2 titles to the Celtics 6 or 7.
    Posted by rameakap


    Do you really want to use Michael Jordan's "eye for talent"? The same Jordan who selected Kwame Brown as his #1 draft pick?! The same Jordan who has proven he's inept at running his current team (Charlotte) as his last (Washington)?! That's hardly a ringing endorsement. The Worthy pick wasn't a "luck" pick. Jerry West was shrwed at making trades and this pick was one of them. Both Worthy and Bias fulfilled their destinies.
     
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    I agree to the extent that the door to No. 18 in the Big 3 (KG, RA & PP) era is pretty much closed. The team is strapped with their huge salaries plus Rondo's for next season, and DA will be hard-pressed to land proven talent with the limited resources at his disposal. He will have to content himself with the usual cast of veterans willing to accept the veteran's minimum pay. The problem is that Boston will no longer be a preferred destination for those vets willing to shave salary for the prospect of winning a championship. I disagree, however, with the view that the Celts will endure another long drought before competing again for a championship. Unlike before, the Celts now have an ownership focused on winning championships and willing to spend to acquire talent. The challenge will very much depend on DA and Doc for player recruitment and development. In this regard, I think that DA should follow San Antonio's lead and broaden its scouting to international players and Americans playing in foreign leagues. In Doc's case, he should by actual practice dispel notions that he is averse to developing young players. Otherwise, Boston will not be a favored destination for young talent.
    Posted by edcap99


    You're giving the current ownership a "vote of confidence"? Based on what? ONE championship?! The Lakers have 7 or 8 titles under ONE owner and TWO GM's. THAT'S a focus on winning.
     
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    Re: Do you agree with Bob Ryan? Window of opportunity as good as shut-Championship No. 18 is nowhere in sight.

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    In Response to Re: Do you agree with Bob Ryan? Window of opportunity as good as shut-Championship No. 18 is nowhere in sight. : In the end the Celtics still have more championships than the Lakers, right? And out of the 16 Laker parades 5 of them were held in Minneapolis, right?
    Posted by Fiercest34


    And based on past history, the Lakers are in a better positon to get to #18 first. Feb 24, 2011...the day the C's began their journey back to ediocrity.
     
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    In Response to Re: Do you agree with Bob Ryan? Window of opportunity as good as shut-Championship No. 18 is nowhere in sight.:
    Yes that 89 draft still irks me. Michael Smith??? Payton actually went in the 1990 draft. Red was not always right. He was human but we really needed a guard in 89. Also to note it was Bill Fitch who pushed Red and the owner at the time-Harry Mangurian, to trade the no.1 pick to Golden State for Parrish. He was not sold on Parrish. He liked Joe Barry Carroll.
    Posted by jaytf25


    Yesh my bad on Gary... it would have been summer of 1991 they offered him for dee Brown.

    I think you are wrong on 1980 and Red tho... the Bill May book 'The Big three' regarded as the definitive history of that trade, says nothing about Red liking Joe Barry and Fitch's involvement. It says Red tried to get Ralph Sampson to leave Virginia after his rookie year and was infuriated when he didn't. Then was eager to trade back b/c he never liked Joe Barry.
     
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    In Response to Re: Do you agree with Bob Ryan? Window of opportunity as good as shut-Championship No. 18 is nowhere in sight. : Red Auerbach was also responsible for making Joe Forte the 21st pick in the 2001 Draft instead of Tony Parker. It didn't make sense. In the 2001 Draft the Celts had 3 1st round picks, Joe Johnson 10th pick a SF, Kedrick Brown 11th pick another SF, and Joe Forte 21st pick a SG. How many SFs and SGs do you need when Paul Pierce is the star of your team? Ugh!
    Posted by Fiercest34


    yes.

    Troy Murphy and Parker should have been the no-brain outcome of that draft and then there would be no need to trade JJ for Delk and Rogers.

    We'd have had our 1st rd pick in 2002 and could have picked Prince or Boozer

    of course Chris Wallace would then never be fired and who knows how the future leading up to the 2007 KG trade pans out.
     
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    In Response to Re: Do you agree with Bob Ryan? Window of opportunity as good as shut-Championship No. 18 is nowhere in sight.:
    In Response to Re: Do you agree with Bob Ryan? Window of opportunity as good as shut-Championship No. 18 is nowhere in sight. : That's not true, Qdaddy.  http://hoopshype.com/salaries/la_lakers.htm As you can see the Lakers are stuck until 2014. Kobe 25.2m next season, 27.85m in 2013, and 30.45m in 2014. Don't forget the last time Kobe didn't have Phil Jackson as coach they didn't make the playoffs. Next season only Theo Ratliff, Joe Smith, and Trey Johnson are not coming back. The Lakers will even have a bigger payroll next year, 92.9m. Deep down even obnoxious Laker trolls like you know that Kobe and the Lakers will not be winning another championship in the near future.  
    Posted by Fiercest34


    Sybil, please don't try to tell us "what we know". What WE DO know is that the owner of the Lakers isn't afraid to spend money on his team to improve it. What we ALSO know is that Mitch Kupchak (trained by Jerry West) is very creative and can usually put together some "trade partners". Despite what C's fans think, the Lakers have tradeable players that other GM's might want and need.

    Don't underestimate the Lakers. You guys listen too much and put too much stock in what some of the talking heads are saying. You guys just keep regurgitating what you're hearing. Don't forget, almost every one of those same talking heads picked the Lakers and Celtics in the finals. So now all of a sudden, the Lakers talent isn't worth anything?!

    We'll be alright.
     
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    In Response to Re: Do you agree with Bob Ryan? Window of opportunity as good as shut-Championship No. 18 is nowhere in sight. : Says Qdaddy, a Laker fan who says he doesn't like Kobe Bryant. HAHAHA!!!
    Posted by Fiercest34


    You hit the nail on the head. But I'd bet if the Celtics were offered Kobe, 99% of the C's fans would tell DA to jump on that deal.

    Yeah, I dislike Kobe, but I'd rather he play for the Lakers than against them.
     
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