Do you think this season is over????

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    Do you think this season is over????

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    www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/extras/celtics_blog/2011/07/source_nba_play.html">Source: NBA players, owners will meet Monday

    The NBA preseason does not begin for about 10 weeks, giving the two sides plenty of time to talk and they will likely need it because they are far apart on several key issues, including a hard salary cap, revenue sharing and percentage of Basketball Related Income.

    Commissioner David Stern, expected to attend Monday's meeting, said 22 teams lost money last season while the players association disputes that claim. The owners want to completely reshape the financial framework of the league while the players want to make adjustments.

    It is believed that several struggling owners are willing to cancel the season because they would lose less money than if the season continued with the current collective bargaining agreement.

    Myself, I believe there will be a season.
    1. players are looking over seas
    2. the current economic conditions
    3. This could be the last season for some veterans
    4. The public has no pity for pampered millionaires
    5. Some owners claim that they will lose less money by cancelling the season.
    6. The Baseball and Football seasons are under way

     
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    The way the NBA season starts at the end of Baseball and mid season Football they could be a giant footnote if they blow this season. I think they are playing chicken with each other. I say they bang out a deal by Oct 1st.
     
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    The way the NBA season starts at the end of Baseball and mid season Football they could be a giant footnote if they blow this season. I think they are playing chicken with each other. I say they bang out a deal by Oct 1st.
    Posted by genaro008


    I really hope that you are right.  Although, I wouldn't be surprised if they miss some games.  Everything that I read about this is that the two sides are far apart on reaching some type of agreement.  It took quite a long-time for the NFL to reach an agreement. 
     
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    In Response to Re: Do you think this season is over???? : I really hope that you are right.  Although, I wouldn't be surprised if they miss some games.  Everything that I read about this is that the two sides are far apart on reaching some type of agreement.  It took quite a long-time for the NFL to reach an agreement. 
    Posted by susan250


    NBA cant afford to have a in season lockout or strike. The timing for thier season is like Hockey the in between the World Series and football. There is to much going on to divert the attention of the casual sports fan. Only diehard basketball fans care about preseason and the start of the regular season. 

    The NFL was real far apart to and we heard about missing the season then missing some games. Both sides will come togather when it is time.
     
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    This is a much worse situation than the previous lockout. There is even a team out there without an owner. This goes well past December and probably a minimum of 35 games missed. The fact that these players are already even flying to other countries to meet with these teams tells you all you need to know.
     
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    http://www.usatoday.com/sports/basketball/nba/2005-salary-owners.htm

    looks like the owners of the Celtics are pretty solid finanically...
     
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    nfl owners and players sought equitable distribution of profits. nba owners and players seek equitable distribution of losses. that's a huge nba difference compared to the nfl, as we'll likely continue to see.

     
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    The NBA is taking a hard stance because the league is losing (some) money, they believe that the players are not interested in a long strike, and the long-term savings from such revisions to the collective bargaining agreement are substantial.

    The players seem to be expecting these negotiations to be a disaster leading to a lock-out and significant concessions from them before it is all done.

    That we have heard the players don't believe Stern's financial information is hardly surprising.  The
    www.forbes.com/lists/2009/32/basketball-values-09_NBA-Team-Valuations_Income.html" target="_blank">Forbes 2009 NBA Team Valuations report shows that 18 NBA teams had operating profits, with two teams earning about $51 million each.  The bulk of the NBA's reported losses come from interest on debt, and the players have a strong argument that a lot of this debt is in place for tax purposes or to facilitate the purchase of franchises by under-capitalized owners.

    one of the first signs of a struggling business is debt..That is why a  lot of businesses will not hire right now..They are hoarding their cash because no one wants to reinvest into a unknown future..at a time when businesses are asking their current employees to do more with less, the nba is no different..they understand that difficult time lie ahead for everybody.


    Read more NBA news and insight: http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=17156#ixzz1TicfdjGR
     
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    If it is over, does that mean Garnett has played his last game in Boston? Would his contract officially be up?
     
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    The NBA is taking a hard stance because the league is losing (some) money, they believe that the players are not interested in a long strike, and the long-term savings from such revisions to the collective bargaining agreement are substantial. The players seem to be expecting these negotiations to be a disaster leading to a lock-out and significant concessions from them before it is all done. That we have heard the players don't believe Stern's financial information is hardly surprising.  The www.forbes.com/lists/2009/32/basketball-values-09_NBA-Team-Valuations_Income.html " target="_blank" /> Forbes 2009 NBA Team Valuations report shows that 18 NBA teams had operating profits, with two teams earning about $51 million each.  The bulk of the NBA's reported losses come from interest on debt, and the players have a strong argument that a lot of this debt is in place for tax purposes or to facilitate the purchase of franchises by under-capitalized owners. one of the first signs of a struggling business is debt..That is why a  lot of businesses will not hire right now..They are hoarding their cash because no one wants to reinvest into a unknown future..at a time when businesses are asking their current employees to do more with less, the nba is no different..they understand that difficult time lie ahead for everybody. Read more NBA news and insight: http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=17156#ixzz1TicfdjGR
    Posted by Ortiz123


    One of the first signs of a struggling business is debt.... another one is when watching that business conduct its business on TV and see that most of its seats are empty may be another reason the company may be struggling.

    So when you watch playoff games and see many many empty seats you may realize that it has nothing to do with debt and moreso that the product is really really cr appy and diluted.
     
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    The average salarly for nba players is around 10mil..ave sal for coaches around 2mil..The teams with the better tv contracts are in better shape to pay for the star players.. thats why the recent Celtic tv contract is important to put them in line with Lakers and NY's to compete for DH's..they can go over if needed, and the extra revenue from tv will help offset some of the salaries.
    .Im sure the smaller market teams are going to argue this point in order to be more competitive and attractive to some of the stars..These players know that the more tv exposure, means more revenue for them on the marketing side. 

    http://nbasalaries.org/
     
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    This lockout is intended to economically pressure our players to agree to an unfavorable collective bargaining agreement," NBPA director Billy Hunter writes in the e-mail sent to players. "It is important for the owners to understand that there may be significant consequences to their decision to put their own players in these difficult economic circumstances. If the owners will not give our players a forum in which to play basketball here in the United States, they risk losing the greatest players in the world to the international basketball federations that are more than willing to employ them."

    I don't this this is much of the leverage they claim...are'nt there limits to the american players that can sign overseas???
     
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    It's to the Celts advantage if there is no NBA season. 
    Posted by Fiercest34


    WHY A LOST SEASON IS GOOD FOR THE CELTICS:

    • The Celtics have a ton of cap flexibility, and any strengthening of the NBA cap would make it easier to compete for big free agents. That’s important because big free agents do not ever sign in Boston. Briefly reflect on the last decade: who was the biggest free agent signed (not re-signed) by the Celtics over the last ten offseasons? 35-year-old Rasheed Wallace. Easily. Second biggest? 39-year-old Shaq. Third biggest? Hard to say, actually. Delonte? Tom Gugliotta? It’s pretty grim at this point. Even the useless players of the early decade pretty much all came trades: Vin Baker, Ricky Davis, old Gary Payton, dead Rick Fox. Simply put, any leverage the C’s can get in free agent discussions is of extremely high value.
    • Looks like some agree with you ....
    • http://celticshub.com/
     
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    The age of the returning Celtics also could become an issue. Allen just turned 36, Garnett is 35, and Pierce and Jermaine O’Neal will be 34 and 33, respectively, before next season starts. While health will always be a concern with an older team, a lockout-shortened season could actually benefit Boston.

    Rondo, 25, isn’t worried.

    “They said we were done two years ago,” Rondo said. “We could care less about that. We could care less about people saying we are done.”

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AueBJ.A7FTM8tA8CTPX66pHTjdIF?slug=mc-spears_rajon_rondo_celtics_072511

     
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    In Response to Re: Do you think this season is over???? : David West won't play for MLE in a short year but KG will reup for VM ... HAHAHA!!!
    Posted by Mployee8


    David West will love being a backup to KG and will be so happy making less than the 7.5m he's supposed to be getting this season. LOL

    What you expect from someone who said Anthony Tolliver was going to be better than Glen Davis and Trey Thompkins was going to slide...................to 25, right?
     
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