Re: Doc Rivers Gives the Celtics Stability
posted at 7/4/2011 9:31 AM EDT
In Response to Re: Doc Rivers Gives the Celtics Stability
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Doc Rivers Gives the Celtics Stability : Pathetic! I disagree with you about Doc Rivers and you conveniently start calling it hate. Is racism far behind? Do you need to pull the wool over everyones eyes and say Doc made BBD the player he is today? If that's the case, then Doug Collins made MJ and Bill Fitch made Larry Bird. Face facts. Doc had BBD on the bench, hardly playing. Only KG going down forced DOc to play BBD. Thats when BBD opened everyones eyes and we realized how good he was. Doc was blinded to that fact. He didnt use him. Now you want to credit Doc for that, huh? So funny
Posted by TheTruthsays[/QUOTE]
OK, then. Let's try one more time. After this, if I can't get you to be rational and logical, then I'll stop posting on this thread and realize that a rational sports discussion is just not in your blood.
1. You are free to disagree with me or anyone else on this Board. Most of the time, however, serious posters try to present facts to support their positions and they try to recognize the opposite side of the discussion even if they disagree with it.
2. Where is this race comment coming from? I am worried that you even bring it up. Why????
3. Hate.....because you so vehemently make your points as if there is no other point of view and Doc can't possibly be adding ANY value to the team. WOW!! That's just not balanced at all.
4. Facts: BBD played as a rookie the year the C's won the championship. He played 69 games, averaged 13.6 min/game, 4.5 pts per game, grabbed 3.0 rebounds per game. Then, the next year when Garnett was hurt - BBD played in 76 games, averaged 21 min/game, 7.0 points per game, 4.0 rebounds per game. So, tell me how you conclude from those stats that Doc didn't play him in his rookie year, that he sat the bench only, and he only played once Garnett got hurt. Looks to me very much like a rookie who got minutes, then had a natural progression to more minutes. His stats (3 boards to 4 boards and 4.5 points to 7.0 points) were not an astounding leap. He just got steadily better - what you'd expect of a rookie. So, that all happened because Garnett taught him to play? His coach had no hand in this and the Coach ONLY played him once Garnett was down? The stats (69 games and 14 mins as a rookie) just don't support your contention.
5. You fail to look at any other player in Doc's years here. What about Rondo? What about Perk? What about West? What about Big Al? did any of them benefit AT ALL when Doc played that team of kids + Paul? Has Rondo been put in a system where he's an all star but we all know he can't shoot? How does that happen? Doesn't a coach get SOME credit for that?
6. The C's assistant coaches seem to get recruited in head coaching roles (Frank is the final of 2 candidates for the Detroit job). Does Doc get any credit for selecting and using good assistant coaches, as well?
So, I'm not trying to argue he's the best coach in history. I'm not even trying to get you to say he's the best coach in the league currently. I'm not trying to get you to say he's a GREAT coach. I'm just trying to get you to see the other side of the argument and admit that he's a plus to this team and has been a huge part of its success. Like Garnett, Pierce, Allen, Danny, Rondo, the owners - Doc is a key part of a franchise that's now turned it around and is relevant again - vying for championships and bringing stability to a great franchise - as it should be. Danny and Doc have made their mistakes. There are lots of things I don't agree with when Doc coaches. But, I have to give him credit for managing the team well enough to be contenders every year and doing a good job despite frustrating injuries each year (and despite picking up a bunch of bums on the bench this past year). Danny and Doc have given us Celtics fans a lot to cheer for an reason to believe the franchise is going to have much better stability than the 20 years before they got here.
Give Doc at least SOME credit for that or present more than just unsupported one sided views of the situation, please.