Does anyone NOT miss the 15 10 and 10 from Rondo?

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    Re: Does anyone NOT miss the 15 10 and 10 from Rondo?

    The Rondo soap opera has hopefully come to an end... and we have very little to show for it.

    He is a cancer to this team.

    Pud

     
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    As I had anticipated, the analysts are going to be out in full force.  We will get a clear dissection of everything that is wrong with the Celtics.  A lot of sound and fury but no constructive suggestions.  This forum is about to take a big turn.  Hopefully the Lakers will s*ck and the Lakers troll will spare us.

     
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    What we would have and could have done with Rondo is moot. Nobody can claim or disclaim what would have or not have happenned with or without Rajon.

     
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    Just a serviceable pt guard would have worked.  Imagine somone like Beverly from Houston, or Brooks from Houston.  Both guys can shoot the threes,  penetrate and dish.  Penetrate and score.  A guard like would have given us the same success as young rondo would have.  Those guys also  shoot the free throws.  Yes we would have been better with Rondo,  but we would have been better with a ton of point guards from another team.

     
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    This topic is like discussing, what if your aunt had balls and was your uncle ?

     
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     this series would have been a victory in 5 games if Rondo was there.

     




    you people neglect to recognize that we had NOBODY as a capable point guard function- NO VIABLE BACK UP POINT GUARD AT ALL WHATSOEVER.  nate robinson could have delivered us to a win in 5 games if he was here.  he makes league min.

     

     

    don't mistake "rondo" as being some magical thing- rather it's just that year in and year out danny refuses to get any and i mean ANY help at the PG spot.  that's no accident.  rondo does not want any chance of being out-shone in his lacking fundamentals.

     

    look at a middling team like the clippers.  they have redundancy at the point guard position and have for YEARS.  it's just that important of a position.  and here we are doing it with mirrors with jabronis like star berry signed at the end of the regular season and then nobody in the "really bad" years like this year.  it's another aspect of ainge's incompetence.

     

    here is what i will say about rondo.  he tries harder in the playoffs.  he scores more for a period.  and then once he misses 3 or 4 jumpers and/or 3 free throws it all ends for a number of games if note permanently and he reverts to his old un-aggressive self with no confidence in anything.

    sandbagging the regular season never used to be anything that the celtics franchise tolerated.  when red thought max did it they traded maxwell.  and maxwell didn't have any glaring deficiencies as a player.  welcome to the new century- where it's okay to have a SEVEN YEAR point guard making big bucks who can't shoot the ball when he's wide open- in fact refuses to do so most of the season then starts trying the last few games to "ramp up" for the playoffs.

    i've never seen anything like it- the act of doing it or the enablement of it by coaching and mgt.  it's unbelievable.  it's not good.  it's a system of hypocrisy designed to coddle a guy who could be a top ten player in the league and instead is the top 1 trick or treater in the league.  mostly all tricks in the regular season.

     

    i'm ready for something new at the 1 spot.  all effort all the time.

     




    So what happened to the Clippers and their point guards?

     

     
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    As I had anticipated, the analysts are going to be out in full force.  We will get a clear dissection of everything that is wrong with the Celtics.  A lot of sound and fury but no constructive suggestions.  This forum is about to take a big turn.  Hopefully the Lakers will s*ck and the Lakers troll will spare us.




    here's a constructive comment- rehab rondo, boost up his ego, showcase him and trade him ASAP for some key pieces or a meaningful piece and a can't miss draft pick / top 10 pick plus another first rounder. 

    simply put, rondo is not worth 25M over the next two years.  let's be honest- he's been over-used by the celts.  he's 28 and coming off of injuries and refused to be athletic this last year when perfectly healthy.  his quickest days are very likely behind him.

    let's be logical and start building for the future.  if that is a stop over for "one more year" of KG and PP then let's do it the right way this time- package rondo and bass or rondo and ? to make for a bigger deal.  perhaps someone less coddling than doc rivers could get more out of rondo and motivate him.  clearly nothing in BOS does.

    we don't need another shavlik miracle dream at the 5 and wilcox is done.  terry is not worth having unless extremely cheap.  then it'd take him.  here's the most constructive thing i have to say.  get PP and KG signed for 6-8 million MAX for both of them and then we have a really good chance to make an honorable go at a serious run. 

    because if these guys book even HALF of the 28 mill they did this year, we just don't have the room to get the pieces that we need.  if they need more money then we go into rebuilding mode.  something that is innately constructive if done properly.

    along the way it is IMPERATIVE to not get losers like al jefferson or josh smith here- two guys who are deceptive with stats / flashy plays but do not get it done at the end of the day.  preferably we dig into the euro market and pull out a 7 foot guy who can play.  minnesota and orlando have done it.  who are their GM's?  i'm sure we could do it through draft or dealing.  skilled domestic bigs (i'm talking 10 and 10 potential) are not exactly plentiful and tend to be drafted higher than their abilities warrant making them hard to find.  so let's get creative.

    there, that's constructive, right?

     
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    Just a serviceable pt guard would have worked.  Imagine somone like Beverly from Houston, or Brooks from Houston.  Both guys can shoot the threes,  penetrate and dish.  Penetrate and score.  A guard like would have given us the same success as young rondo would have.  Those guys also  shoot the free throws.  Yes we would have been better with Rondo,  but we would have been better with a ton of point guards from another team.



    this is something the rondo accolytes simply will not acknowledge.  rondo's great potential never metasticized into him being a complete / great player.  some point to the rebounds as making up for refusing to shoot the J and being incompetent at the stripe.  they don't.  then it was "the steals" make up for it- no they don't.  they are garnered by excessive gambling.  and rondo's individual defense on any given regular season night is running around 30-40% effort.

    all that may not SEEM to mean all that much, but when you have an old player core team, you have to have the young's getting everything of the low hanging fruit they can possibly get to give the olds some rests on some of the shot clock cycles.  we got none of that this last year and we have gotten a steadily declining amount of up tempo activity from rondo for years now.

    this is a shame.  it could have been preventable if the coach or GM took the time to care and intervene.  but it's obvious that in his 8th year, old ways are not going to change and what's worse is that the innate quickness may no longer be there to even make the change to doing things the right way all the time

     
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    As I had anticipated, the analysts are going to be out in full force.  We will get a clear dissection of everything that is wrong with the Celtics.  A lot of sound and fury but no constructive suggestions.  This forum is about to take a big turn.  Hopefully the Lakers will s*ck and the Lakers troll will spare us.

     




    here's a constructive comment- rehab rondo, boost up his ego, showcase him and trade him ASAP for some key pieces or a meaningful piece and a can't miss draft pick / top 10 pick plus another first rounder. 

     

    simply put, rondo is not worth 25M over the next two years.  let's be honest- he's been over-used by the celts.  he's 28 and coming off of injuries and refused to be athletic this last year when perfectly healthy.  his quickest days are very likely behind him.

    let's be logical and start building for the future.  if that is a stop over for "one more year" of KG and PP then let's do it the right way this time- package rondo and bass or rondo and ? to make for a bigger deal.  perhaps someone less coddling than doc rivers could get more out of rondo and motivate him.  clearly nothing in BOS does.

    we don't need another shavlik miracle dream at the 5 and wilcox is done.  terry is not worth having unless extremely cheap.  then it'd take him.  here's the most constructive thing i have to say.  get PP and KG signed for 6-8 million MAX for both of them and then we have a really good chance to make an honorable go at a serious run. 

    because if these guys book even HALF of the 28 mill they did this year, we just don't have the room to get the pieces that we need.  if they need more money then we go into rebuilding mode.  something that is innately constructive if done properly.

    along the way it is IMPERATIVE to not get losers like al jefferson or josh smith here- two guys who are deceptive with stats / flashy plays but do not get it done at the end of the day.  preferably we dig into the euro market and pull out a 7 foot guy who can play.  minnesota and orlando have done it.  who are their GM's?  i'm sure we could do it through draft or dealing.  skilled domestic bigs (i'm talking 10 and 10 potential) are not exactly plentiful and tend to be drafted higher than their abilities warrant making them hard to find.  so let's get creative.

    there, that's constructive, right?




    OK, fair enough.  That is constructive.  But reliable?  Sounds more like a get rid of Rondo to me.

    The Bulls decided to drop into the lottery after the MJ era.  They are still trying to put it all together.  Yes, there is the DRose injury to throw in there.  The Clippers?  They and their great point guard are both out in 6.  Portland has not been able to get over the hump.  Minnesota has been a disaster.  This can't miss draft pick is an illusion.  It is not healthy to wager too much on it.

    The Celts have been gambling with their late picks and have been doing a good job of developing their hits.  They are not going to become relevant by hoping that they become another OKC.  They will have to leverage their assets and their wallets and Danny has to make some moves.

    Finally, I completely agree.  This is not the destination for Al Jefferson and Josh Smith.

     

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