East scout on Rondo-less Celtics

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    Count all the injuries that you want... but once Bosh came back.... the Cs were toast.

    Pud

     



    A "fresh" Bosh. I'ld like to see how they would have done against a "fresh" PP or Ray. I think we would have won that series if the shoe was on the other foot. Bosh had all the energy in the world. That's why he was so effective. What.... he played like 20 minutes the entire series?

     

    Well the Cs certainly had the option to rest CPP and RA all they wanted, playing them  ala Bosh-DNP... until game 6.

    But for some inexplicable reason, short-sighted doc chose to play them instead of resting them.

    Lets be honest.... the Cs got out-coached.... and out-gunned.... again.

    If the Cs and Heat face off this POs, maybe we need to hold CPP or KG out until a Game 6.. and then... whammmo!

    Pud

     
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    Bottom line, Rondo is injured, the game goes on. Thank goodness we have Bradley to replace him.

     
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    This season the difference could be Jordan Crawford and uncle Jeff.

    Jordan Crawford is a scorer. That's something the Celts have been lacking the past few years. Having someone who can create his own shot and the ability score from anywhere on the court will enable the Celts to keep up with the Heat offensively.

    Uncle Jeff will let Pierce concentrate more on scoring than stopping Lebron.

    As long as the Celts face the Heat in the east finals, I like our chances. The new guys need more time to learn the system. This Celtics team will be a lot better in mid-May than in late April.  

     



    Agreed. If I were betting money I'd bet on the heat, but we matchup well with them. 

     

     



    Bingo!

     


    ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE !

    The X Factor are the two bigs harvested from the Chinese League.....remember that last May, Sean Williams, Ryan Hollings and Greg Steisma were the only bigs available to help KG carry the load......the big question is whether either DJ White or Shavlic Randolph can contribute something more than last years 3 headed monster of cast-offs........

    ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE !~

     
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    KG will be hard pressed to duplicate the 19.1 points and 9.4 boards he dropped on the Heat last playoffs. But he put up 22/10 in the 3 games Bosh returned for, so that aspect is hardly relative AND KG doesn't have to score as much as he did this year, he can conserve his energy for defense and up his ast/stl/blk #'s while giving like a 15/11... do that while holding Bosh to an 18/8 and I'll be thrilled.

    Rondo was hard to game plan for in regards to his ability to drop triple doubles and frustrate... but the offensive sets we ran with him and the halfcourt game we played were easier to defend IMO

    than the spreadout everyone touches the ball 6 guys get in double dig's offense we have now. So both will give Miami fits, not just the RR led attack.

    Rondo may be gone but Avery didn't play and his D is even better, Ray may have switched sides but he was a liability on D and now will be for them with Lee being vastly superior there. Terry, Williams, Crawford AND Green are monsters compared to Dooling, Sasha, E'Twuan and Pietrus.

     




    Great stuff! +1000 My premise is that Rondo will be different. He needed to do what he did because of the team composition or??? Next year things will be different. With a cast of speed and quickness it's turn them loose INCLUDING RR!

     



    I sure hope so... The age difference between LeBron and Green is pretty much nil (same w/ RR and Chalmers) and I think LBJ is as much better than Green as Rondo is better than Mario, so the teams are even there. 

    But Wade has 9 years on Avery, ditto to Bosh on Sully. The quicker they can close the gap the quicker we can overcome the Heat, we just BADLY need to upgrade Bass to a better big man.

     
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    This season the difference could be Jordan Crawford and uncle Jeff.

    Jordan Crawford is a scorer. That's something the Celts have been lacking the past few years. Having someone who can create his own shot and the ability score from anywhere on the court will enable the Celts to keep up with the Heat offensively.

    Uncle Jeff will let Pierce concentrate more on scoring than stopping Lebron.

    As long as the Celts face the Heat in the east finals, I like our chances. The new guys need more time to learn the system. This Celtics team will be a lot better in mid-May than in late April.  

     



    Agreed. If I were betting money I'd bet on the heat, but we matchup well with them. 

     

     



    Bingo!

     

     


    ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE !

     

    The X Factor are the two bigs harvested from the Chinese League.....remember that last May, Sean Williams, Ryan Hollings and Greg Steisma were the only bigs available to help KG carry the load......the big question is whether either DJ White or Shavlic Randolph can contribute something more than last years 3 headed monster of cast-offs........

    ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE !~



    True, but Steamer had the role Wilcox has now, Sean Williams never saw the floor, and Pietrus was the backup 4, which is Green's role now.

    White and Randolph's impacts are as of yet unknown, but they are essentially Williams and Hollins and other than garbage time or 1-2 games KG sits they won't see much of the floor

     
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    Hollins was needed in last years playoffs for some minutes

    Steemer played big minutes in playoff games last year......

     

    The Celtics are gonna need something from one of these three players: Fab Melo, DJ White , Shavlik Randolph

    One of those guys is gonna have to play in the playoffs this season, the Celtics are simply too small and undermanned and will need something from at least one of the three big men...unless someone gets a buyout and decides to sign with the Celtics

     
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    Hollins was needed in last years playoffs for some minutes

    Steemer played big minutes in playoff games last year......

     

    The Celtics are gonna need something from one of these three players: Fab Melo, DJ White , Shavlik Randolph

    One of those guys is gonna have to play in the playoffs this season, the Celtics are simply too small and undermanned and will need something from at least one of the three big men...unless someone gets a buyout and decides to sign with the Celtics




    eh, maybe, probably not unless someone gets hurt though.

    Steamer and Hollins combined for 17.5 mins, 3 points and 3.8 rebounds last playoffs. If we're not getting 18 mins, 4 points and 5 boards from Wilcox then we are in big trouble.

    Green-Bass and Pierce have the 96 minutes at forward covered

     
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    " how did Boston take Miami to 7 last year?

     

    Chris Bosh was injured. Once he returned, the series was over. No contest.

    Pud

     

     




    Fraid I have to agree with you. Bosh plus the refs.... This year Bosh is even better but Boston has some new guns that might even the odds. KG is also healthy and playing like the monster he was!  I'll never forget that block Avery put on DWade and now he is healthy and experienced. We'll see what happens on the 18th. If the C's lose they still have another shot in April but teams might be shutting down by then. But then the second season or should I say third.

     



    Yes but what about AB and Green?  Didn't Boston have major injury issues as well?  Minus Bosh, the Celts were very much into this series.

     
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    Well the Cs certainly had the option to rest CPP and RA all they wanted, playing them  ala Bosh-DNP... until game 6.

    But for some inexplicable reason, short-sighted doc chose to play them instead of resting them.

     

    Lets be honest.... the Cs got out-coached.... and out-gunned.... again.

    If the Cs and Heat face off this POs, maybe we need to hold CPP or KG out until a Game 6.. and then... whammmo!

    Pud



    This is the post of the day!!  Fascinating collection of statements.

     
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    Count all the injuries that you want... but once Bosh came back.... the Cs were toast.

    Pud

     



    A "fresh" Bosh. I'ld like to see how they would have done against a "fresh" PP or Ray. I think we would have won that series if the shoe was on the other foot. Bosh had all the energy in the world. That's why he was so effective. What.... he played like 20 minutes the entire series?

     

     

    Well the Cs certainly had the option to rest CPP and RA all they wanted, playing them  ala Bosh-DNP... until game 6.

    But for some inexplicable reason, short-sighted doc chose to play them instead of resting them.

     

    Lets be honest.... the Cs got out-coached.... and out-gunned.... again.

    If the Cs and Heat face off this POs, maybe we need to hold CPP or KG out until a Game 6.. and then... whammmo!

    Pud



    You actually think resting Pierce and Playing Pietrius would have helped the Celtics RIIIIIIIIGHHGHT.  And Dooling starting over injured Ray? Title town here we come. Stick to spelling bees PUD. 

     
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    barring the loss of either james or wade to injury, the celtics would do well to win one game in a series against the heat. with rondo the over/under would be 2 wins. with rondo and sullinger the same. the difference between playoff basketball and the regular season is like night and day. the celtics do not have one legitimate point guard; they are minus two legit bigs up front; they have no low post offense to speak of; they have very little shot blocking presence; they have huge rebounding holes; and their two primary go to scorers are past their prime. the east is very weak, which gives them a fighting chance to get past round one if they can stay out of the eight seed, but doing more than that would be a massive achievement (they win two rounds and this season is a huge success). players like crawford and williams will fall apart in the playoffs so the team is basically 8 deep with only two players 6 "10" and over. just not enough to get past a team like the heat, let alone a handful of teams in the west. 

    using jeff green and lebron james in the same sentence is so absurd as to defy follow-up. green comes off the bench for a marginal playoff team. future hall of famer, 3 time mvp james is the best player in the nba on the league's best team. 

     

     
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    Well the Cs certainly had the option to rest CPP and RA all they wanted, playing them  ala Bosh-DNP... until game 6.

    But for some inexplicable reason, short-sighted doc chose to play them instead of resting them.

     

    Lets be honest.... the Cs got out-coached.... and out-gunned.... again.

    If the Cs and Heat face off this POs, maybe we need to hold CPP or KG out until a Game 6.. and then... whammmo!

    Pud

     



    This is the post of the day!!  Fascinating collection of statements.

     

    One of the posters suggested that the Heat beat us in the conference finals only because Bosh was very well rested, playing very little... but dominating us when he did.

    We could have rested any or all of our Big Three too.

    So why didn't we?

    Pud

     
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    Well the Cs certainly had the option to rest CPP and RA all they wanted, playing them  ala Bosh-DNP... until game 6.

    But for some inexplicable reason, short-sighted doc chose to play them instead of resting them.

     

    Lets be honest.... the Cs got out-coached.... and out-gunned.... again.

    If the Cs and Heat face off this POs, maybe we need to hold CPP or KG out until a Game 6.. and then... whammmo!

    Pud

     



    This is the post of the day!!  Fascinating collection of statements.

     

     

    One of the posters suggested that the Heat beat us in the conference finals only because Bosh was very well rested, playing very little... but dominating us when he did.

    We could have rested any or all of our Big Three too.

     

    So why didn't we?

    Pud



    Because wounded Pierce is better than wounded Pietrius. Because wounded Ray was better than Healthy Dooling. 

    And because Doc, being one of the best coaches in basketball knows this. 

    If the Celtics and Heat were both fully healthy last year it would have went seven games. And we might have beaten them. 

     
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    Well the Cs certainly had the option to rest CPP and RA all they wanted, playing them  ala Bosh-DNP... until game 6.

    But for some inexplicable reason, short-sighted doc chose to play them instead of resting them.

     

    Lets be honest.... the Cs got out-coached.... and out-gunned.... again.

    If the Cs and Heat face off this POs, maybe we need to hold CPP or KG out until a Game 6.. and then... whammmo!

    Pud

     



    This is the post of the day!!  Fascinating collection of statements.

     

     

    One of the posters suggested that the Heat beat us in the conference finals only because Bosh was very well rested, playing very little... but dominating us when he did.

    We could have rested any or all of our Big Three too.

     

    So why didn't we?

    Pud



    Yes, but to focus on that one statement when you ignored the decimated Celtics roster and credited Bosh's absence as the reason for the Celts being competitive?

     
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    KG had better stats the 3 games Bosh played then the 4 he did not.

    This is one of the dumbest things anyone can say anout last year, that the C's only took them to 7 b/c of bosh's injury.

    I'd have rather had both teams 100% healthy than has them missing Bosh for 4 games. I think only Mike Miller was dealing with a nagging back injury besides Bosh for Miami.

    Celts had:

    Avery - out (shoulders)

    Green - out (heart condition)

    Wilcox - out (heart condition)

    Jermaine O'Neal - out

    Ray - shadow of himself (bone spurs in ankles)

    Stiemsma - hurting (plantar facitis)

    Pierce - hurting

    Pietrus - hurting (both knees)

    GOOD LORD

    Give us 100% health and we probably win the title last year, same as from '09-'11. Give us just Avery, Stiemsma and one of Ray/PP at full strength and we take Miami to 7 even if Bosh was 100% the whole series.

     

     
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    [/QUOTE]When Bosh returned, the series was over IMHO. No contest. Kaput.

    Some else sez the reason the series was over was because Bosh was rested.  Okay.. if that's true we could have rested our star(s) too.

    If they can put in a rested Bosh in Game 6 to turn the series around, we could have done likewise, couldn't we?

    Or is it more complicated than that?

    Pud

     
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    When Bosh returned, the series was over IMHO. No contest. Kaput.

    Some else sez the reason the series was over was because Bosh was rested.  Okay.. if that's true we could have rested our star(s) too.

    If they can put in a rested Bosh in Game 6 to turn the series around, we could have done likewise, couldn't we?

    Or is it more complicated than that?

    Pud

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    and who were we putting in for our rested stars? How many times does someone on this thread post the injuries we had last year. Because of those injuries it pressured the starters in to more minutes. Henceforth, taking a toll on their older bodies. Please post something else. The Heat were younger and could take a Bosh being hurt for a few games better than we could our youngest and best defender Bradley, Jeff Green not even playing and a depleted front line. Maybe that helps?

     
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    and who were we putting in for our rested stars? How many times does someone on this thread post the injuries we had last year. Because of those injuries it pressured the starters in to more minutes. Henceforth, taking a toll on their older bodies. Please post something else. The Heat were younger and could take a Bosh being hurt for a few games better than we could our youngest and best defender Bradley, Jeff Green not even playing and a depleted front line. Maybe that helps?

    Thanks, terrapin. That was helpful.

    Bosh had been out injured for most of the previous month during the POs.

    Against the Cs,  he comes back in game 5 and plays 14 minutes... rusty. Games 6 and 7 he plays 28 and 31 minutes, regains his form.... and Celtics lose convincingly.

    Rested????  Not by choice but yes.

    Rusty? Yes.

    Finally available? For sure.

    His injury/availability was a major determining factor in how the series ultimately turned out against a Heat team that was younger, deeper, stronger, and obviously better able  to play short-handed.

    Pud

     
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    When Bosh returned, the series was over IMHO. No contest. Kaput.

    Some else sez the reason the series was over was because Bosh was rested.  Okay.. if that's true we could have rested our star(s) too.

     

    If they can put in a rested Bosh in Game 6 to turn the series around, we could have done likewise, couldn't we?

    Or is it more complicated than that?

    Pud




    and who were we putting in for our rested stars? How many times does someone on this thread post the injuries we had last year. Because of those injuries it pressured the starters in to more minutes. Henceforth, taking a toll on their older bodies. Please post something else. The Heat were younger and could take a Bosh being hurt for a few games better than we could our youngest and best defender Bradley, Jeff Green not even playing and a depleted front line. Maybe that helps?

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    Yeah the ignorance of anyone saying the Heat were taken to 7 b/c Bosh was hurt and not accounting for the fact they would have lost in 5 if we were healthy... has been beaten to death here and the few sad souls who cling to that logic have been proven factually wrong

     
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    Tell me - didn't Bosh return in Game FIVE?????

    I could have sworn he returned in Game FIVE, not six!

     
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    Tell me - didn't Bosh return in Game FIVE?????

    I could have sworn he returned in Game FIVE, not six!

    Read my most recent post above.

    Pud

     
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